Re: [VOTE] Camel MUST use valid URIs for identifying and configuring Endpoints

2012-06-21 Thread Guillaume Nodet
Well, if you want to have technical comments, you'd have to come up with a technical solution first. If you just say camel MUST be X, people will assume the possible consequences and base their decision on it. If that 's not the consequences you had in mind, proposing a solution will definitely le

Re: [CANCEL][VOTE] Camel MUST use valid URIs for identifying and configuring Endpoints

2012-06-21 Thread Guillaume Nodet
Could you also explain to us the benefits in addition to the impacts ? On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote: > Vote canceled. The community needs more time to understand the impacts. The > consensus is that current users of camel 2.x must not be impacted by this > change. > > >

[CANCEL][VOTE] Camel MUST use valid URIs for identifying and configuring Endpoints

2012-06-21 Thread Hadrian Zbarcea
Vote canceled. The community needs more time to understand the impacts. The consensus is that current users of camel 2.x must not be impacted by this change. Hadrian On 06/19/2012 08:37 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote: Using URIs to identify and configure Endpoints is a notable Apache Camel innova

Re: [VOTE] Camel MUST use valid URIs for identifying and configuring Endpoints

2012-06-21 Thread Jeff Genender
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Re: [VOTE] Camel MUST use valid URIs for identifying and configuring Endpoints

2012-06-21 Thread Hadrian Zbarcea
Thanks Rob, sounds like the best course of action. Will do that. Hadrian On 06/21/2012 02:06 PM, Rob Davies wrote: If you vote had more detail about what you was considering, then artistic feelings wouldn't have come into it :) Why don't you close this vote - and open a new discussion (with mo

Re: [VOTE] Camel MUST use valid URIs for identifying and configuring Endpoints

2012-06-21 Thread Rob Davies
If you vote had more detail about what you was considering, then artistic feelings wouldn't have come into it :) Why don't you close this vote - and open a new discussion (with more detail?) - so we can try reach a consensus On 21 Jun 2012, at 18:19, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote: > Now finally someth

Re: [VOTE] Camel MUST use valid URIs for identifying and configuring Endpoints

2012-06-21 Thread Hadrian Zbarcea
Don, All valid questions. I agree that details should come sooner, but they cannot come sooner than agreeing on a principle. That was the purpose of this thread. Hadrian On 06/21/2012 12:39 PM, Donald Whytock wrote: -1 The only real objection is that the word "MUST" begs the question "Or

Re: [VOTE] Camel MUST use valid URIs for identifying and configuring Endpoints

2012-06-21 Thread Hadrian Zbarcea
Now finally something I could work with. More inline. Hadrian On 06/21/2012 12:41 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote: -1 This change would NOT be transparent to 2.x users. Lets not hurt our 2.x Camel community! I think it will will be transparent. It MUST. The intent is *precisely* to not hurt the 2.x C

Re: [VOTE] Camel MUST use valid URIs for identifying and configuring Endpoints

2012-06-21 Thread Hiram Chirino
-1 This change would NOT be transparent to 2.x users. Lets not hurt our 2.x Camel community! This should have been a discussion about how we could improve Camel 3.x. >From my point of view, Camel is all about being flexible and an integrating as many technologies as possible and avoid exclusive o

Re: [VOTE] Camel MUST use valid URIs for identifying and configuring Endpoints

2012-06-21 Thread Donald Whytock
-1 The only real objection is that the word "MUST" begs the question "Or else what?" Will existing components in 2.x that use non-standard URI structure not be carried into 3.x unless they're rewritten? Will new components that have non-standard URI structure be rejected out of hand, the idea be

Re: [VOTE] Camel MUST use valid URIs for identifying and configuring Endpoints

2012-06-21 Thread Jeff Genender
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Re: [VOTE] Camel MUST use valid URIs for identifying and configuring Endpoints

2012-06-21 Thread Freeman Fang
-1, as it's working for a long time and stable. We may discuss this change or rename the URI to a more appropriate name for Camel 3.x, but we should keep it as is for Camel 2.x line Freeman On 2012-6-20, at 上午8:37, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote: Using URIs to identify and configure Endpoints is a not

Re: [VOTE] Camel MUST use valid URIs for identifying and configuring Endpoints

2012-06-21 Thread Rob Davies
-1 Camel does not need to use valid URIs - I see no real benefit for the user. I'm concerned about any changes that could affect existing users. On 20 Jun 2012, at 01:37, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote: > Using URIs to identify and configure Endpoints is a notable Apache Camel > innovation. This featur

Re: [VOTE] Camel MUST use valid URIs for identifying and configuring Endpoints

2012-06-21 Thread Stan Lewis
Yeah, URI escaping sucks, I'm -1 on changing the format and +1 on changing the name of the configuration string to a quasi-URI, URI-esque, wanna-be URI or whatever :-) On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote: > Using URIs to identify and configure Endpoints is a notable Apache Came

Re: [VOTE] Camel MUST use valid URIs for identifying and configuring Endpoints

2012-06-21 Thread Daniel Kulp
I'm +1 to the idea. If we call it a URI, then it needs to be a URI. If this vote does not pass, then we would need to find a new name (configuration string?) and update the documentation and such to reflect that this is NOT a URI. In particular, I'm +1 for full validation for 3.0. For 2.

Re: [VOTE] Camel MUST use valid URIs for identifying and configuring Endpoints

2012-06-21 Thread Ioannis Canellos
Well, I don't have a binding vote anyway, but I am mostly curious on what's the added value on doing such change. I can see the some side effects like hard to read URIs etc, but I am striving to see the added value. Can you please provide some more info around that? -- *Ioannis Canellos* * FuseS

Re: [VOTE] Camel MUST use valid URIs for identifying and configuring Endpoints

2012-06-21 Thread Babak Vahdat
Hi -1 I've already once mentioned why I do think so: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CAMEL-4857 Babak -- View this message in context: http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/VOTE-Camel-MUST-use-valid-URIs-for-identifying-and-configuring-Endpoints-tp5714697p5714840.html Sent from the

Re: [VOTE] Camel MUST use valid URIs for identifying and configuring Endpoints

2012-06-21 Thread James Strachan
-1 I see no real reason to break stuff On 19 June 2012 19:37, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote: > Using URIs to identify and configure Endpoints is a notable Apache Camel > innovation. This feature was present in Camel from its first release. The > definition of the URIs syntax in unambiguous and defined i

Re: [VOTE] Camel MUST use valid URIs for identifying and configuring Endpoints

2012-06-21 Thread Jon Anstey
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:53 AM, Claus Ibsen wrote: > -1 > > > > a) > I am happy with the current model, and DO NOT want any changes / > implications > upon the Camel 2.x codebase. Its important for me that the current 2.x > codebase is kept stable as is. > Camel 2.10 is on the doorsteps, and Cam

Re: [VOTE] Camel MUST use valid URIs for identifying and configuring Endpoints

2012-06-20 Thread Claus Ibsen
-1 a) I am happy with the current model, and DO NOT want any changes / implications upon the Camel 2.x codebase. Its important for me that the current 2.x codebase is kept stable as is. Camel 2.10 is on the doorsteps, and Camel 2.x is now 3 years old. I want to give reasurance to the community t

Re: [VOTE] Camel MUST use valid URIs for identifying and configuring Endpoints

2012-06-20 Thread Christian Schneider
+1 To aim for spec compliant URIs in camel 3. We should not try to achieve this at all costs though. So if there are hard cases where we would loose features we should discuss them in detail. For properties the question is if they should be compliant URIs before or after the replacement. Proba

Re: [VOTE] Camel MUST use valid URIs for identifying and configuring Endpoints

2012-06-20 Thread Łukasz Dywicki
+1 (non binding) If we'll support all existing features I see no locks here. Best regards, Lukasz Dywicki -- Code-House http://code-house.org Wiadomość napisana przez Christian Müller w dniu 20 cze 2012, o godz. 21:57: > +1 > see my comments on [2]. > > Also because the Camel code base grows

Re: [VOTE] Camel MUST use valid URIs for identifying and configuring Endpoints

2012-06-20 Thread Christian Müller
+1 see my comments on [2]. Also because the Camel code base grows and grows because we got some good contributions and implemented new features, making the core code base as much easy as possible is an important thing IMO. Throwing away all the hacks is a good possibility. Also doing the same thin

Re: [VOTE] Camel MUST use valid URIs for identifying and configuring Endpoints

2012-06-20 Thread Guillaume Nodet
-1 I don't think camel endpoints are real Uris as they are not really used to point to a resource, though they can fall back to a URI in simple cases. The fact that we use URI-like syntax is I think because it's easy to use and quite easily understandable. We could have use json or whatever synt

Re: [VOTE] Camel MUST use valid URIs for identifying and configuring Endpoints

2012-06-20 Thread Johan Edstrom
+1, WIth the fact that converters exist, we aren't breaking anything in 2 /je On Jun 20, 2012, at 10:29 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote: > +1 > Hadrian > > On 06/19/2012 08:37 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote: >> Using URIs to identify and configure Endpoints is a notable Apache Camel >> innovation. This fe

Re: [VOTE] Camel MUST use valid URIs for identifying and configuring Endpoints

2012-06-20 Thread Hadrian Zbarcea
+1 Hadrian On 06/19/2012 08:37 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote: Using URIs to identify and configure Endpoints is a notable Apache Camel innovation. This feature was present in Camel from its first release. The definition of the URIs syntax in unambiguous and defined in RFC-2396 [1]. Some components

[VOTE] Camel MUST use valid URIs for identifying and configuring Endpoints

2012-06-19 Thread Hadrian Zbarcea
Using URIs to identify and configure Endpoints is a notable Apache Camel innovation. This feature was present in Camel from its first release. The definition of the URIs syntax in unambiguous and defined in RFC-2396 [1]. Some components introduced along the way do not use valid URIs and this