Re: Open support vrs. Company support (long!)

2003-09-19 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Tony Collen dijo: Antonio Gallardo wrote: Hi: I want to point out what really means Free Maillist Support. At first sight when we said Cocoon has support trought free maillist, it seems like it is less than Company Support. Many of us saw this as a lack instead of a feature, just before

Re: Real blocks: some thoughts and questions

2003-09-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 11 sep 2003, à 20:11 Europe/Zurich, Bruno Dumon a écrit : ...Component lookup I'm wondering how component lookup will work. For example, suppose I have a block where I want to use FOP, i.e. the fo2pdf serializer. I'll make my block depend on the fop blok (or the more

Re: [RT] Implementing Cocoon Blocks

2003-09-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 18 sep 2003, à 21:09 Europe/Zurich, Reinhard Poetz a écrit : ...I understand that I can't load a class from another block. My question: Is it possible to load classes from Cocoon core (whatever we will consider as core) from within my block via new or are there arguments against

RE: [Vote] Antonio Gallardo and Tony Collen as Cocoon committers

2003-09-19 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
Although I'm too late: +1 for both from me as well. Carsten (Back from holidays and going through 6000 mails with warp speed) -Original Message- From: David Crossley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 7:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Vote] Antonio

Re: Open support vrs. Company support (long!)

2003-09-19 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Tony Collen wrote: Antonio Gallardo wrote: Hi: I want to point out what really means Free Maillist Support. At first sight when we said Cocoon has support trought free maillist, it seems like it is less than Company Support. Many of us saw this as a lack instead of a feature, just before we

CLI: Logging not working

2003-09-19 Thread Upayavira
After comments made on forrest-dev, I have looked (for the first time) at logging in the CLI/bean. It seems to me that nothing is getting logged, even when log messages are sent. I know next to nothing about logging, but I will try to look into this. If anyone is more clued up, please have a

RE: on better release and version management

2003-09-19 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
Steven Noels wrote: Hi folks, forgive me for putting on my BOFH hat, while making the following observations... 1) We suck at freezing and stabilizing the codebase prior to releases. I would suggest that, from now on, the Release Manager puts forward a release date after discussion

RE: Flow Auth-fw sample

2003-09-19 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
Upayavira wrote: I have committed a partly working auth-fw/flow sample. I think it is basically there, but I am gettting stuck with: SessionManager.streamContextFragment: Context 'authentication' not found. I've never used the session manager (nor sessions for that matter), so I'm a

Re: Flow Auth-fw sample

2003-09-19 Thread Upayavira
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: Upayavira wrote: I have committed a partly working auth-fw/flow sample. I think it is basically there, but I am gettting stuck with: SessionManager.streamContextFragment: Context 'authentication' not found. I've never used the session manager (nor sessions for that

Re: on better release and version management

2003-09-19 Thread Steven Noels
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: snip type=happy agreement/ I tried to address this issue several times in the last weeks, well, without much success. One thing I want to stress again: *if* we would make a new repository for 2.2 and duplicate all code, this would include the blocks as well. So we would

Re: Event handling in Woody

2003-09-19 Thread Marc Portier
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Hi all, A short post to say that I've been working intensively on event handling on Woody since yesterday. I'm nearly finished with it, and obtained something powerful-yet-simple, that allows to define event handlers on actions (ActionEvent) and fields

docs disruption (was: on better release and version management)

2003-09-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Vendredi, 19 sep 2003, à 11:25 Europe/Zurich, Carsten Ziegeler a écrit : ...Now to the docs: Yes, looking back it was a very stupid idea to reorganize the docs. I didn't thought about links pointing to the old docs. I'm very sorry for that! I don't think it was a stupid idea - after so much

[proposal] Keep the docs list for wiki updates only

2003-09-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
I know, this has been discussed before and we decided to keep the docs mailing list, but: -The traffic on the docs list is almost nil -I suspect people unsubscribe from it to avoid the many wiki update messages -People writing to docs tend to copy important messages to dev as well so they

CocoonBean followLink problem

2003-09-19 Thread Simon Mieth
Hi all, i trying to integrate Cocoon via CocoonBean into my application. This work really fine, but the followLinks don't process every last link in every page. After trying with CLI, i got the same problem. I looked into the Source CocoonBean.java and found in the method process() the

Re: on better release and version management

2003-09-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Vendredi, 19 sep 2003, à 14:47 Europe/Zurich, Sylvain Wallez a écrit : ...So what about the following (somewhat already expressed, BTW) : - start a 2.2 repo with only the Cocoon core (i.e. src/java) - copy blocks in the 2.2 repo only if they require substantial changes that would break the

Re: CocoonBean followLink problem

2003-09-19 Thread Upayavira
Simon, Thank you very much for this! I was aware of this being a problem (it has been reported by people on the Forrest list), but had suspected it to be something much deeper than what you have shown it to be. You've also explained why, when using confirm-extensions=true gave a different

Re: on better release and version management

2003-09-19 Thread Geoff Howard
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Steven Noels wrote: Carsten Ziegeler wrote: snip type=happy agreement/ I tried to address this issue several times in the last weeks, well, without much success. ... So, whatever we decide, I'm -1 on duplicating the block code. My problem with the blocks code is that

Re: on better release and version management

2003-09-19 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On Friday, Sep 19, 2003, at 11:39 Europe/Rome, Steven Noels wrote: Carsten Ziegeler wrote: snip type=happy agreement/ I tried to address this issue several times in the last weeks, well, without much success. One thing I want to stress again: *if* we would make a new repository for 2.2 and

Re: on better release and version management

2003-09-19 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Geoff Howard wrote: +1 let's give it a shot. This is probably what Carsten was picturing all along. :) Yeah. That's one of my qualities/defaults (depending on the context) : I hear all opinions, make a synthesis and sometimes claim that it's my own idea ;-) Sylvain -- Sylvain Wallez

Re: on better release and version management

2003-09-19 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On Friday, Sep 19, 2003, at 15:05 Europe/Rome, Geoff Howard wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: Steven Noels wrote: Carsten Ziegeler wrote: snip type=happy agreement/ I tried to address this issue several times in the last weeks, well, without much success. ... So, whatever we decide, I'm -1 on

Re: [proposal] Keep the docs list for wiki updates only

2003-09-19 Thread Geoff Howard
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: I suggest closing the docs list to humans (using the dev list instead), keeping it only for wiki update messages. +1 either way. I subscribe to both and assumed others did too. Geoff

Re: Real blocks: some thoughts and questions

2003-09-19 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On Friday, Sep 19, 2003, at 09:35 Europe/Rome, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Le Jeudi, 11 sep 2003, à 20:11 Europe/Zurich, Bruno Dumon a écrit : ...Component lookup I'm wondering how component lookup will work. For example, suppose I have a block where I want to use FOP, i.e. the

Re: [RT] Implementing Cocoon Blocks

2003-09-19 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On Thursday, Sep 18, 2003, at 21:09 Europe/Rome, Reinhard Poetz wrote: From: Stefano Mazzocchi snip/ 3) persistent service behavior with hot deployment One of the big issues with hot deployment is the potentially inconsistent state of the persistent services contained by one block and used

Re: on better release and version management

2003-09-19 Thread Timothy Larson
--- Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After a little more thinking, I think that we should avoid placing block code in cocoon-2.2 alltogether because we need to start talking about the 'community process' of accepting new blocks, where they fit, how they get 'certified' and all

Re: [RT] Implementing Cocoon Blocks

2003-09-19 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On Thursday, Sep 18, 2003, at 04:51 Europe/Rome, Geoff Howard wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Ok, after reaching some stasis on wiring.xml, starting the discussion on cob.xml (or whatever). I expect that both of these will be much more interesting discussions after real implementation starts.

Re: on better release and version management

2003-09-19 Thread Steven Noels
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: A few points: 1) there is no *block* code in cocoon 2.1, everything is done by the builder. Hey, I knew that already! ;-) 2) blocks in 2.1 and blocks in 2.2 are a single block.xml file away. Given all this stuff of block-specific classloading and much more technical

Re: on better release and version management

2003-09-19 Thread Steven Noels
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Yeah. That's one of my qualities/defaults (depending on the context) : I hear all opinions, make a synthesis and sometimes claim that it's my own idea ;-) Ha. :-) You couldn't get away with it this time! :-D /Steven -- Steven Noels

Re: Event handling in Woody

2003-09-19 Thread Steven Noels
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Marc Portier wrote: in fact I thought about this from the start, but failed to explain to myself how it should look like (I also kept on mixing it up with client-side javascript) Well, if you fail to explain to yourself, I understand why we sometimes don't understand

RE: on better release and version management

2003-09-19 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: SNIP/ +1 let's give it a shot. This is probably what Carsten was picturing all along. :) +1 as well. the magic build script that gets missing blocks from 2.1 would simply be a cvs checkout, followed with a few file copy operations. Yes, I thought of that,

RE: [proposal] Keep the docs list for wiki updates only

2003-09-19 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
+1 Carsten

just come and see these bodies talk (was Re: Event handling in Woody)

2003-09-19 Thread Marc Portier
Steven Noels wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: Marc Portier wrote: in fact I thought about this from the start, but failed to explain to myself how it should look like (I also kept on mixing it up with client-side javascript) Well, if you fail to explain to yourself, I understand why we

Re: [proposal] Keep the docs list for wiki updates only

2003-09-19 Thread Tony Collen
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: I suggest closing the docs list to humans (using the dev list instead), keeping it only for wiki update messages. +1 Thoughts? We wouldn't even need archives of the list then, would we? Rather, new archives.. the old archives may still have some use from the

Re: Event handling in Woody

2003-09-19 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Marc Portier wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: snip/ hm, this makes these listeners totally stateless, no? what I mean: - probably woody is going to instantiate them with a Class.forname() and newInstance() sequence, correct? - as such they have no initial state other then some defaults

Re: [proposal] Keep the docs list for wiki updates only

2003-09-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Vendredi, 19 sep 2003, à 18:08 Europe/Zurich, Tony Collen a écrit : ...We wouldn't even need archives of the list then, would we? Rather, new archives.. the old archives may still have some use from the conversations that did occur Not sure if I understand, I thought we'd just keep the

RE: [RT] Implementing Cocoon Blocks

2003-09-19 Thread Reinhard Poetz
From: Bertrand Delacretaz Le Jeudi, 18 sep 2003, à 21:09 Europe/Zurich, Reinhard Poetz a écrit : ...I understand that I can't load a class from another block. My question: Is it possible to load classes from Cocoon core (whatever we will consider as core) from within my block via new

RE: OXF rebuttal

2003-09-19 Thread Reinhard Poetz
From: Bertrand Delacretaz Le Vendredi, 19 sep 2003, à 05:36 Europe/Zurich, Niclas Hedhman a écrit : ...a continously evolving Feature or Evaluation Overview page is something else, and a good thing that is coming out of this, which should not be confrontational nor compared with X

Re: on better release and version management

2003-09-19 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On Friday, Sep 19, 2003, at 15:54 Europe/Rome, Geoff Howard wrote: Hmmm... I've been assuming that the way a block actually gets coded may need to change in order to interact with other real blocks, etc. If this is not the case, then the whole issue of back-compatibility of blocks goes away

Re: [RT] Implementing Cocoon Blocks

2003-09-19 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On Friday, Sep 19, 2003, at 19:31 Europe/Rome, Reinhard Poetz wrote: From: Bertrand Delacretaz Le Jeudi, 18 sep 2003, à 21:09 Europe/Zurich, Reinhard Poetz a écrit : ...I understand that I can't load a class from another block. My question: Is it possible to load classes from Cocoon core

Proxies URL Encoding of Request Parameters

2003-09-19 Thread Tony Collen
Referencing the following discussions: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-usersm=106326623205960w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-usersm=106400306728111w=2 It appears that the WSProxy (and possibly the HttpProxyGenerator) are getting decoded request parameters (i.e.

DO NOT REPLY [Bug 23283] New: - WebServiceProxy doesn't re-encode request parameters

2003-09-19 Thread bugzilla
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Re: Event handling in Woody

2003-09-19 Thread Marc Portier
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Marc Portier wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: snip/ hm, this makes these listeners totally stateless, no? what I mean: - probably woody is going to instantiate them with a Class.forname() and newInstance() sequence, correct? - as such they have no initial state other then

Re: [RT] Implementing Cocoon Blocks

2003-09-19 Thread Geoff Howard
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: On Thursday, Sep 18, 2003, at 04:51 Europe/Rome, Geoff Howard wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: I wasn't sure what uses component meant functionally. the blocks declares what component is going to use from that block and will name it. This is the inverse of the

DO NOT REPLY [Bug 9728] - [PATCH] CocoonServlet getClassPath() enhancements Tomcat4

2003-09-19 Thread bugzilla
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