RE: Cool (work)flow GUI editor

2003-07-31 Thread Paul Brown
>[Vadim Gritsenko] > [Stefano Mazzocchi] > > It was sooo cool when you saw a demo. > > Horrible to work with it. > > why? visual programming is bullshit. > Not if it supports full round trip, nonvisual -> visual > -> nonvisual. Visual programming is very old, i.e., 1960's. (http://radio.w

Re: Cocoon Schools of Development [was: Re: Cool (work)flow GUI editor]

2003-07-31 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Steven Noels dijo: >> 5) 'Rag' - since Dywel really sounds like a mop in Dutch if slightly >> misspelled Hey, Dywel is a full british name:-) >From carsten blog: http://www.britannia.com/bios/ebk/dyweldm.html Best Regards, Antonio Gallardo

RE: Cocoon Schools of Development [was: Re: Cool (work)flow GUI editor]

2003-07-31 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
Marc Portier wrote: > > [Dywel] > is Carsten's personal attempt at the form-handling-thing > > - he announced it first here: > http://radio.weblogs.com/0107211/2003/07/10.html#a134 > - and is now active in the woody discussions to see which parts > of woody could serve his vision > - I think he

Re: Cocoon Schools of Development [was: Re: Cool (work)flow GUI editor]

2003-07-31 Thread Marc Portier
Antonio Gallardo wrote: Steven Noels dijo: Kidding aside, is my categorization more or less correct? Might be cool to put on a slide once. Seriously, where I can find more about "Apples" and "Dywel"? It is being be part of Cocoon? [Dywel] is Carsten's personal attempt at the form-handling-th

Re: Cool (work)flow GUI editor

2003-07-31 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On Thursday, Jul 31, 2003, at 14:31 Europe/Rome, Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: why? visual programming is bullshit. Not if it supports full round trip, nonvisual -> visual -> nonvisual. It's much easier to quickly understand what's going on in the workflow by lookng at the pic

Re: Cocoon Schools of Development [was: Re: Cool (work)flow GUI editor]

2003-07-31 Thread Geoff Howard
Steven Noels wrote: Kidding aside, is my categorization more or less correct? Might be cool to put on a slide once. I can't speak to accuracy but a page in the docs explaining these viewpoints could really help users make sense of docs and demos that seem to point in different directions. The

Re: Cocoon Schools of Development [was: Re: Cool (work)flow GUI editor]

2003-07-31 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Steven Noels dijo: > > > More stupidity being put forward, I would humbly suggest to explicitely > name the methodologies: > > 1) 'Barbara', in kind remembrance of B. Post > 2) 'Carsten, the Early Years' > 3) 'SchemoVidiuChrismatron' > 4) 'Species' - since Apples and Pears are way to generic alrea

Re: Cool (work)flow GUI editor

2003-07-31 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Stefano Mazzocchi dijo: > why? visual programming is bullshit. > > It take half an hour to write a visual representation of something like > > if (blah) { > dothis(); > } else { > dothat(); > } > > Try. I totally agree. I can add: MS Visual programming is ...(what yoou said :) But, t

Re: Cocoon Schools of Development [was: Re: Cool (work)flow GUI editor]

2003-07-31 Thread Steven Noels
On 31/07/2003 14:23 Steven Noels wrote: 1) 'Barbara', in kind remembrance of B. Post 2) 'Carsten, the Early Years' 3) 'SchemoVidiuChrismatron' 4) 'Species' - since Apples and Pears are way to generic already, and it's what Darwin was all about 5) 'Rag' - since Dywel really sounds like a mop in Du

RE: Cocoon Schools of Development [was: Re: Cool (work)flow GUI editor]

2003-07-31 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
Steven Noels wrote: > > > > More stupidity being put forward, I would humbly suggest to explicitely > name the methodologies: > > 1) 'Barbara', in kind remembrance of B. Post > 2) 'Carsten, the Early Years' > 3) 'SchemoVidiuChrismatron' > 4) 'Species' - since Apples and Pears are way to generi

Re: Cool (work)flow GUI editor

2003-07-31 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: On Wednesday, Jul 30, 2003, at 18:48 Europe/Rome, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: http://blog.xesoft.com/jon.lipsky/blog/Java/ ?permalink=workflow_viewlets.html did you guys ever programmed java with JavaStudio? it was a nice little app that sun released in the early jav

Cocoon Schools of Development [was: Re: Cool (work)flow GUI editor]

2003-07-31 Thread Steven Noels
On 31/07/2003 13:35 Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: On Wednesday, Jul 30, 2003, at 18:48 Europe/Rome, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: http://blog.xesoft.com/jon.lipsky/blog/Java/ ?permalink=workflow_viewlets.html did you guys ever programmed java with JavaStudio? it was a nice little app that sun relea

Re: Cool (work)flow GUI editor

2003-07-31 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On Wednesday, Jul 30, 2003, at 18:48 Europe/Rome, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: http://blog.xesoft.com/jon.lipsky/blog/Java/ ?permalink=workflow_viewlets.html did you guys ever programmed java with JavaStudio? it was a nice little app that sun released in the early java days. it was visual progra

Re: Cool (work)flow GUI editor

2003-07-30 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: http://blog.xesoft.com/jon.lipsky/blog/Java/?permalink=workflow_viewlets.html Have you seen one from the BEA's Workshop (8.1)? They've got workflow editor and pageflow (struts app) gui editor. Vadim

Cool (work)flow GUI editor

2003-07-30 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
http://blog.xesoft.com/jon.lipsky/blog/Java/?permalink=workflow_viewlets.html -- Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)