Re: CForms stabilization tasks (was Re: Marking cforms stable in 2.1.8)

2005-06-10 Thread Leszek Gawron
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Paul Crabtree wrote: Hi, i've just finished quite a large cocoon site using 2.1.7 with Forms V3. We choose this version for two reasons: 1. At the time i couldnt find much info on the different versions or why they were there so assumed V3 meant it was more mature and the

Re: CForms stabilization tasks (was Re: Marking cforms stable in 2.1.8)

2005-06-10 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Reinhard Poetz wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: I personally don't use v2 nor v3. People using it are invited to speak up! You answered the question in your summary of the last year GT Hackathon discussion about cforms (http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-dev&m=109774752401800&w=2) yo

Re: CForms stabilization tasks (was Re: Marking cforms stable in 2.1.8)

2005-06-10 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Paul Crabtree wrote: Hi, i've just finished quite a large cocoon site using 2.1.7 with Forms V3. We choose this version for two reasons: 1. At the time i couldnt find much info on the different versions or why they were there so assumed V3 meant it was more mature and the latest. Well, yes

Re: CForms stabilization tasks (was Re: Marking cforms stable in 2.1.8)

2005-06-10 Thread Paul Crabtree
Hi, i've just finished quite a large cocoon site using 2.1.7 with Forms V3. We choose this version for two reasons: 1. At the time i couldnt find much info on the different versions or why they were there so assumed V3 meant it was more mature and the latest. 2. showForm() in V3 offers the abilit

Re: CForms stabilization tasks (was Re: Marking cforms stable in 2.1.8)

2005-06-09 Thread Reinhard Poetz
Sylvain Wallez wrote: I personally don't use v2 nor v3. People using it are invited to speak up! You answered the question in your summary of the last year GT Hackathon discussion about cforms (http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-dev&m=109774752401800&w=2) yourself: [...] - don't us

Re: CForms stabilization tasks (was Re: Marking cforms stable in 2.1.8)

2005-06-09 Thread Reinhard Poetz
Mark Lundquist wrote: On Jun 9, 2005, at 1:48 AM, Sylvain Wallez wrote: I personally don't use v2 nor v3. People using it are invited to speak up! I have a few Cocoon projects, and I use v2 in all but one of them (the oldest one)! Can you give a short explanation on the reasons for using

Re: CForms stabilization tasks (was Re: Marking cforms stable in 2.1.8)

2005-06-09 Thread Mark Lundquist
On Jun 9, 2005, at 1:48 AM, Sylvain Wallez wrote: I personally don't use v2 nor v3. People using it are invited to speak up! I have a few Cocoon projects, and I use v2 in all but one of them (the oldest one)! cheers, :-) —ml—

Re: CForms stabilization tasks (was Re: Marking cforms stable in 2.1.8)

2005-06-09 Thread Leszek Gawron
Sylvain Wallez wrote: I could give it a shot but I have no deeper knowledge of cocoon.xconf syntax in this case. Do we have to make every widget a component? That doesn't feel right. Nono, what I'm talking about is the various subcontainers that exist in CForms, such as and and move on

Re: CForms stabilization tasks (was Re: Marking cforms stable in 2.1.8)

2005-06-09 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Leszek Gawron wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: The main points to achieve stable state are: 1 - remove v2 and v3 apis I assume there are some features that we would like to port back to v1. Could we identify them? I personally don't use v2 nor v3. People using it are invited to speak up!

RE: CForms stabilization tasks (was Re: Marking cforms stable in 2.1.8)

2005-06-09 Thread Bart Molenkamp
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- > Van: Leszek Gawron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > 5 - flatten the configuration to allow for easier extension with the > > xconf include mechanism in 2.2 > I could give it a shot but I have no deeper knowledge of cocoon.xconf > syntax in this case. Do we hav

Re: Marking cforms stable in 2.1.8

2005-06-09 Thread Ben Pope
Reinhard Poetz wrote: Ben Pope wrote: Yes, I agree. The question still remains as to who's itch is irritating enough. I also agree that if Cocoon is going to have a small core, that ultimately will consist of CForms, JXTemplate (or CTemplate?) and, well, core, then it needs to marked stable

Re: CForms stabilization tasks (was Re: Marking cforms stable in 2.1.8)

2005-06-09 Thread Leszek Gawron
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Ralph Goers wrote: The bottom line is you cannot have code sitting around forever telling people its great but you have to use it at your own risk cause we might change it anytime we feel like it. This has just been going on for far too long. The code is never going

Re: Marking cforms stable in 2.1.8

2005-06-08 Thread Reinhard Poetz
Ben Pope wrote: Yes, I agree. The question still remains as to who's itch is irritating enough. I also agree that if Cocoon is going to have a small core, that ultimately will consist of CForms, JXTemplate (or CTemplate?) and, well, core, then it needs to marked stable ASAP. As far as I can

Re: Marking cforms stable in 2.1.8

2005-06-08 Thread Ben Pope
Ralph Goers wrote: Ben Pope wrote: You might as well just throw away all semantics, I doubt there are many people here who want to release something whose API they know will change, and then have to support it. With all due respect, you've been around here long enough to know that you have t

CForms stabilization tasks (was Re: Marking cforms stable in 2.1.8)

2005-06-08 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Ralph Goers wrote: The bottom line is you cannot have code sitting around forever telling people its great but you have to use it at your own risk cause we might change it anytime we feel like it. This has just been going on for far too long. The code is never going to be perfect. I hea

Re: Marking cforms stable in 2.1.8

2005-06-08 Thread Daniel Fagerstrom
Ralph Goers wrote: Ben Pope wrote: It makes very little sense to mark it stable without it actually being what is generally considered (by this community) as stable. You might as well just throw away all semantics, I doubt there are many people here who want to release something whose API t

Re: Marking cforms stable in 2.1.8

2005-06-08 Thread Ralph Goers
Ben Pope wrote: It makes very little sense to mark it stable without it actually being what is generally considered (by this community) as stable. You might as well just throw away all semantics, I doubt there are many people here who want to release something whose API they know will ch

Re: Marking cforms stable in 2.1.8

2005-06-08 Thread Ben Pope
Ralph Goers wrote: The problem is that we are recommending (and have been recommending) CForms as our forms framework for a long time. Even if you haven't marked it stable, it already should be, based upon those recommendations. Yes, in an ideal world the API would be fixed, but it seems this

Re: Marking cforms stable in 2.1.8

2005-06-07 Thread Ralph Goers
Reinhard Poetz wrote: The current situation is that the implementation (runs in many projects) and the community (large developer and user community) are stable, but the interfaces are *not*. I tried to express this with the hypothetical block descriptor fragment: I don't want to mark Co

Re: Marking cforms stable in 2.1.8

2005-06-07 Thread Reinhard Poetz
Mark Lundquist wrote: On Jun 6, 2005, at 11:44 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: We have a project that needs to use a forms framework that is more advanced than what SimpleForms provides. However, it is difficult on selling cforms simply because they are marked unstable. What is it going to take to

Re: Marking cforms stable in 2.1.8

2005-06-07 Thread Mark Lundquist
On Jun 6, 2005, at 11:44 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: We have a project that needs to use a forms framework that is more advanced than what SimpleForms provides. However, it is difficult on selling cforms simply because they are marked unstable. What is it going to take to mark it stable in 2.1.8

Re: Marking cforms stable in 2.1.8

2005-06-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le 6 juin 05, à 20:44, Ralph Goers a écrit : ...Frankly, given the number of folks who appear to be using cforms already, and since this list has been recommending it for the last year, we should probably be treating it as stable now... It is certainly stable as in "working reliably". What's

Re: Marking cforms stable in 2.1.8

2005-06-06 Thread Antonio Gallardo
On Mar, 7 de Junio de 2005, 0:33, Reinhard Poetz dijo: > Ralph Goers wrote: >> We have a project that needs to use a forms framework that is more >> advanced than what SimpleForms provides. However, it is difficult on >> selling cforms simply because they are marked unstable. What is it >> going

Re: Marking cforms stable in 2.1.8

2005-06-06 Thread Reinhard Poetz
Ralph Goers wrote: We have a project that needs to use a forms framework that is more advanced than what SimpleForms provides. However, it is difficult on selling cforms simply because they are marked unstable. What is it going to take to mark it stable in 2.1.8? Can we simply identify the

Marking cforms stable in 2.1.8

2005-06-06 Thread Ralph Goers
We have a project that needs to use a forms framework that is more advanced than what SimpleForms provides. However, it is difficult on selling cforms simply because they are marked unstable. What is it going to take to mark it stable in 2.1.8? Can we simply identify the known bugs in bugzil