On Thursday, Aug 28, 2003, at 15:47 Europe/Rome, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
Nicola Ken Barozzi said:
Berin, I think that Robert has a valid point here, and that is
similar to what Avalon said about Logkit and Log4j.
When I was still in Avalon, Avalon had informally agreed to push
Logkit EOL in favor
to Cocoon (changing
three
or four lines of code) and you can use Log4j in Cocoon.
Carsten
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From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Simmons
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 11:32 AM
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Subject: Porting Cocoon Logging to Log4j - Proposal
Robert Simmons wrote:
One of the major implementaiton complaints I have about Cocoon is its lack
of Log4J logging functionality. Log4j, is without a doubt the best logging
package for java. No other package can even hope to compare to it. If Cocoon
was built to use Log4j instead of the avalon
Robert Simmons wrote:
Actually, I was proposign the removal of the avalon logging mechanism
completely.
You'll have to provide a very good technical reason for that, much more
than I like Log4J better or Log4J is cool. Consider that:
1. Avalon logkit can use Log4J as the backend enging while, to
11:32 AM
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Subject: Porting Cocoon Logging to Log4j - Proposal and Discussion
One of the major implementaiton complaints I have about
Cocoon is its
lack
of Log4J logging functionality. Log4j, is without a doubt the best
logging package for java. No other package can
Gianugo Rabellino [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Robert Simmons wrote:
Actually, I was proposign the removal of the avalon logging mechanism
completely.
You'll have to provide a very good technical reason for that, much more
than I like Log4J better or
Robert Simmons wrote:
Actually, I was proposign the removal of the avalon logging mechanism
completely.
You'll have to provide a very good technical reason for that, much more
than I like Log4J better or Log4J is cool. Consider that:
How about the fact that multiple layers of logging exacerbate
From: Robert Simmons
Gianugo Rabellino [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb im
Newsbeitrag news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Robert Simmons wrote:
Actually, I was proposign the removal of the avalon logging
mechanism completely.
You'll have to provide a very good technical reason for that, much
It is .. Ive been wrong before and I admit Im no Avalon or cocoon source
code expert. Im very direct in my style and I wish people wouldnt take it
offensively. I merely abhor cheerleading. There are lots of things I love
about cocoon but the logging irritates me. *shrug* =^)
Reinhard Poetz [EMAIL
Robert Simmons wrote:
I wasnt accusing anyone of being childish. I wish you wouldnt put words in
my mouth. I merely meant that the demands of a business environment are
quite different then the demands of non-business environments.
Please rest assured that many (probably most) of us know what the
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Robert Simmons wrote:
It is .. Ive been wrong before and I admit Im no Avalon or cocoon source
code expert. Im very direct in my style and I wish people wouldnt take it
offensively. I merely abhor cheerleading. There are lots of things I love
about cocoon but the logging
To be honest, the condescending attitude you display here doesnt help me
feel warm and fuzzy all over. I can take criticism. Can you? But then I
think I will drop this convewrsation as it likely doesnt belong in this
list.
-- Robert
Steven Noels [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb im Newsbeitrag
quoteI wasnt insulting anyone and i appologize if it sounded like that.
/quote
I noticed you failed to copy that block into your acerbic reply. I
appologized once, I wont do it again.
-- Robert
Gianugo Rabellino [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Robert Simmons
Gianugo Rabellino wrote:
Robert Simmons wrote:
snip/
Many open
source projects have yet to bridge this gulf and only a few have done it
sucessfully (apache web server, ant, log4j, tomcat, jboss). For
example, the
decision to NOT distribute a binary build of cocoon is a good example of
going in
Gianugo Rabellino said:
Rant apart, you might have a point in blaming Cocoon of not being
business friendly, and I'm starting to consider that there might
be room for someone to come up and be Cocoon's RedHat, providing
production builds and certified WARs, thus relieving the
Cocoon
Robert Simmons wrote:
Actually, I was proposign the removal of the avalon logging mechanism
completely.
-1000
If I want to use a NullLogger (no logging completely, and no need for a logging
toolkit) then I should be able to. If I want to use Log4J I should be able to.
And if I am happy with
Robert,
putting aside the attitude discussion for a while and go back to the
facts on the table;
You would like to use Log4J in the production environment.
GOOD!
You want to re-write Cocoon to explicitly do the Log4J lookup of
the Logger through the Logger static method.
NOT SO GOOD, in my
Gianugo Rabellino wrote, On 28/08/2003 13.19:
...
Rant apart, you might have a point in blaming Cocoon of not being
business friendly, and I'm starting to consider that there might be
room for someone to come up and be Cocoon's RedHat, providing
production builds and certified WARs, thus
Berin Loritsch wrote, On 28/08/2003 15.08:
Robert Simmons wrote:
Actually, I was proposign the removal of the avalon logging mechanism
completely.
-1000
If I want to use a NullLogger (no logging completely, and no need for a
logging
toolkit) then I should be able to. If I want to use Log4J I
Nicola Ken Barozzi said:
Berin, I think that Robert has a valid point here, and that is
similar to what Avalon said about Logkit and Log4j.
When I was still in Avalon, Avalon had informally agreed to push
Logkit EOL in favor of log4j, and the log4j community accepted
the challenge of
Robert Simmons wrote:
One of the major implementaiton complaints I have about Cocoon is its lack
of Log4J logging functionality. Log4j, is without a doubt the best logging
package for java. No other package can even hope to compare to it. If Cocoon
was built to use Log4j instead of the avalon
Gianugo Rabellino wrote:
Lets make a deal and avoid both stubborness and aggressive attitude
then. I would suggest you to discuss the Log4J vs. Logkit implementation
issues on the proper lists and come back here with more evidence. You
might even convince the Avalon guys to switch to
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Berin Loritsch wrote, On 28/08/2003 15.08:
Robert Simmons wrote:
Actually, I was proposign the removal of the avalon logging mechanism
completely.
-1000
If I want to use a NullLogger (no logging completely, and no need for
a logging
toolkit) then I should be able
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
Well, Robert's assertion is ambigious. Does he say;
Drop
void enableLogging( Logger logger );
and let every component do,
logger = Logger.getLogger( this.getClass().getLogger() );
OR,
Let Log4J be the default logger backend, and have the Log4J
configuration handily
Berin Loritsch said:
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
Well, Robert's assertion is ambigious. Does he say;
Drop
void enableLogging( Logger logger );
and let every component do,
logger = Logger.getLogger( this.getClass().getLogger() );
OR,
Let Log4J be the default logger backend, and have the
Hi,
Should Cocoon be configured out-of-the-box for logging to a Log4J
backend?
I'd put my two cents worth of opinion in favor of this suggestion.
Regards,
Pelle
: Porting Cocoon Logging to Log4j - Proposal and Discussion
One of the major implementaiton complaints I have about Cocoon is its
lack
of Log4J logging functionality. Log4j, is without a doubt the best
logging
package for java. No other package can even hope to compare to
it. If Cocoon
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Gianugo Rabellino wrote:
Robert Simmons wrote:
I wasnt accusing anyone of being childish. I wish you wouldnt put words in
my mouth. I merely meant that the demands of a business environment are
quite different then the demands of non-business environments.
Please
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