Re: [RT] Improved navigation of learning objects

2003-10-16 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On Wednesday, Oct 15, 2003, at 00:36 Europe/Rome, Conal Tuohy wrote: But topics can also be safely created automatically in some cases: where good structured metadata exists we can confidently base topics on it. e.g. topics can usefully be automatically harvested from Java classes that implement

Re: [RT] Improved navigation of learning objects

2003-10-14 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On Monday, Oct 13, 2003, at 22:57 Europe/Rome, Conal Tuohy wrote: Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Some form of topic map would be useful to build what's related info though, which helps navigation and discovery a lot. Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Yes, but such a topic maps would have to be human edited.

RE: [RT] Improved navigation of learning objects

2003-10-14 Thread Conal Tuohy
Stefano wrote: automatic harvesting scares the crap out of me, Conal. This is conceptually no different to harvesting JavaDoc tags from Java source. I agree that there must be some kind of automatism going on, but the topic creation is a human task and programs would do a terrible job at

Re: [RT] Improved navigation of learning objects

2003-10-14 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: ... automatic harvesting scares the crap out of me, Conal. We will probably be moving the Forrest DTD to XHTML2 in one of the next things to do. As you know, there are meta tags that are a nice way of adding additional info in the page.

Re: [RT] Improved navigation of learning objects

2003-10-14 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On Tuesday, Oct 14, 2003, at 20:42 Europe/Rome, Conal Tuohy wrote: Stefano wrote: automatic harvesting scares the crap out of me, Conal. This is conceptually no different to harvesting JavaDoc tags from Java source. good point. I agree that there must be some kind of automatism going on, but

RE: [RT] Improved navigation of learning objects

2003-10-14 Thread Conal Tuohy
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: We will probably be moving the Forrest DTD to XHTML2 in one of the next things to do. As you know, there are meta tags that are a nice way of adding additional info in the page. http://academ.hvcc.edu/~kantopet/xhtml/index.php?page=xhtml+me ta+content

RE: [RT] Improved navigation of learning objects

2003-10-14 Thread Conal Tuohy
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: I agree that there must be some kind of automatism going on, but the topic creation is a human task and programs would do a terrible job at doing this. The example I gave assumed precisely that a human editor had written a namespace topic; the harvester

RE: [RT] Improved navigation of learning objects

2003-10-14 Thread Robert Koberg
Hi, -Original Message- From: Conal Tuohy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 3:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: We will probably be moving the Forrest DTD to XHTML2 in one of the next things to do. As you know, there are meta tags

Re: [RT] Improved navigation of learning objects

2003-10-13 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Dimanche, 12 oct 2003, à 17:55 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : On Sunday, Oct 12, 2003, at 16:13 Europe/Rome, Alan Gutierrez wrote: Has anyone discussed how to impose an outline on a Wiki? yes. there are some proposals on the table, ranging from simple to futuristic I think

Re: [RT] Improved navigation of learning objects

2003-10-13 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On Monday, Oct 13, 2003, at 07:48 Europe/Rome, Andreas Hochsteger wrote: Hi Stefano! Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: The approach above works but it requires two operations: 1) creation of the LO 2) connection of the LO in the linkmap Can you explain to me, why you are always talking from

Re: [RT] Improved navigation of learning objects

2003-10-13 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On Monday, Oct 13, 2003, at 09:36 Europe/Rome, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Le Dimanche, 12 oct 2003, à 17:55 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : On Sunday, Oct 12, 2003, at 16:13 Europe/Rome, Alan Gutierrez wrote: Has anyone discussed how to impose an outline on a Wiki? yes. there are

Re: [RT] Improved navigation of learning objects

2003-10-13 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Lundi, 13 oct 2003, à 14:57 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : ...Some form of topic map would be useful to build what's related info though, which helps navigation and discovery a lot. Yes, but such a topic maps would have to be human edited. this is what scares me. tools for

Re: [RT] Improved navigation of learning objects

2003-10-13 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On Monday, Oct 13, 2003, at 15:12 Europe/Rome, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Le Lundi, 13 oct 2003, à 14:57 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : ...Some form of topic map would be useful to build what's related info though, which helps navigation and discovery a lot. Yes, but such a topic

RE: [RT] Improved navigation of learning objects

2003-10-13 Thread Conal Tuohy
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Some form of topic map would be useful to build what's related info though, which helps navigation and discovery a lot. Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Yes, but such a topic maps would have to be human edited. this is what scares me. tools for ontology creation (like

Re: [RT] Improved navigation of learning objects

2003-10-12 Thread Alan Gutierrez
* Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-10-12 16:04]: On Sunday, Oct 12, 2003, at 16:13 Europe/Rome, Alan Gutierrez wrote: The trouble with Wiki and docs is that new users, such as myself, are going to look for a documentation outline. A good TOC and index makes all the differnece in

Re: [RT] Improved navigation of learning objects

2003-10-12 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: On Sunday, Oct 12, 2003, at 16:13 Europe/Rome, Alan Gutierrez wrote: The trouble with Wiki and docs is that new users, such as myself, are going to look for a documentation outline. A good TOC and index makes all the differnece in the world when searching documentation.

Re: [RT] Improved navigation of learning objects

2003-10-12 Thread Andreas Hochsteger
Hi Stefano! Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: The approach above works but it requires two operations: 1) creation of the LO 2) connection of the LO in the linkmap Can you explain to me, why you are always talking from learning objects in this context? Isn't a learning object a bit too specific to