Re: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-11 Thread Andrew Savory
On 10 Feb 2004, at 13:40, Upayavira wrote: How's that? +1 from me. Andrew. -- Andrew Savory, Managing Director, Luminas Limited Tel: +44 (0)870 741 6658 Fax: +44 (0)700 598 1135 Web: http://www.luminas.co.uk/ Orixo alliance: http://www.orixo.com/

Re: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-10 Thread Tim Larson
On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 08:11:26PM +0100, Torsten Curdt wrote: > >>"The Apache Cocoon Community Project fosters community-based > >>exploration, design and implementation of application frameworks, > >>specifically but not exclusively web related. It focuses on XML > >>pipelining, centralized co

Re: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-10 Thread Torsten Curdt
"The Apache Cocoon Community Project fosters community-based exploration, design and implementation of application frameworks, specifically but not exclusively web related. It focuses on XML pipelining, centralized configuration mechanisms and separation of concerns through composability rather

Re: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-10 Thread Joerg Heinicke
On 10.02.2004 14:40, Upayavira wrote: Okay, I'll bite: "The Apache Cocoon Community Project fosters community-based exploration, design and implementation of application frameworks, specifically but not exclusively web related. It focuses on XML pipelining, centralized configuration mechanisms

Re: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-10 Thread Geoff Howard
Upayavira wrote: Geoff Howard wrote: Upayavira wrote: Steven Noels wrote: On 05 Feb 2004, at 11:24, Steven Noels wrote: I'll try to wordsmith this into a short mission statement, but I'd like to hear whether this categorization makes sense to you. Thanks for all your comments & suggestions.

Re: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-10 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Upayavira wrote: Okay, I'll bite: "The Apache Cocoon Community Project fosters community-based exploration, design and implementation of application frameworks, specifically but not exclusively web related. It focuses on XML pipelining, centralized configuration mecha

Re: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-10 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Upayavira wrote: Geoff Howard wrote: Upayavira wrote: Steven Noels wrote: On 05 Feb 2004, at 11:24, Steven Noels wrote: I'll try to wordsmith this into a short mission statement, but I'd like to hear whether this categorization makes sense to you. Thanks for all your comments & suggestions.

Re: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-10 Thread Upayavira
Geoff Howard wrote: Upayavira wrote: Steven Noels wrote: On 05 Feb 2004, at 11:24, Steven Noels wrote: I'll try to wordsmith this into a short mission statement, but I'd like to hear whether this categorization makes sense to you. Thanks for all your comments & suggestions. Let's see how lyr

Re: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-10 Thread Steven Noels
On 10 Feb 2004, at 13:34, Geoff Howard wrote: would just dropping "web" from "web application frameworks" work? I'd change "web" into "internet". Vague enough? ;-) -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java & XMLAn Orixo Member

Re: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-10 Thread Geoff Howard
Upayavira wrote: Steven Noels wrote: On 05 Feb 2004, at 11:24, Steven Noels wrote: I'll try to wordsmith this into a short mission statement, but I'd like to hear whether this categorization makes sense to you. Thanks for all your comments & suggestions. Let's see how lyric I am today: "The Ap

Re: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-10 Thread Upayavira
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Upayavira wrote: Steven Noels wrote: On 05 Feb 2004, at 11:24, Steven Noels wrote: I'll try to wordsmith this into a short mission statement, but I'd like to hear whether this categorization makes sense to you. Thanks for all your comments & suggestions. Let's see how

Re: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-10 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Upayavira wrote: Steven Noels wrote: On 05 Feb 2004, at 11:24, Steven Noels wrote: I'll try to wordsmith this into a short mission statement, but I'd like to hear whether this categorization makes sense to you. Thanks for all your comments & suggestions. Let's see how lyric I am today: "The

Re: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-10 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Steven Noels wrote: On 05 Feb 2004, at 11:24, Steven Noels wrote: I'll try to wordsmith this into a short mission statement, but I'd like to hear whether this categorization makes sense to you. Thanks for all your comments & suggestions. Let's see how lyric I am today: "The Apache Cocoon Com

Re: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-10 Thread Upayavira
Steven Noels wrote: On 05 Feb 2004, at 11:24, Steven Noels wrote: I'll try to wordsmith this into a short mission statement, but I'd like to hear whether this categorization makes sense to you. Thanks for all your comments & suggestions. Let's see how lyric I am today: "The Apache Cocoon Com

Re: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-10 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 10 fév 2004, à 11:24 Europe/Zurich, Steven Noels a écrit : ... "The Apache Cocoon Community Project fosters community-based exploration, design and implementation of web application frameworks with a focus on XML pipelining, centralized configuration mechanisms and separation of conce

Re: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-10 Thread Juan Jose Pablos
Steven Noels wrote: On 05 Feb 2004, at 11:24, Steven Noels wrote: I'll try to wordsmith this into a short mission statement, but I'd like to hear whether this categorization makes sense to you. Thanks for all your comments & suggestions. Let's see how lyric I am today: How's that sound? Your

Re: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-10 Thread Steven Noels
On 05 Feb 2004, at 11:24, Steven Noels wrote: I'll try to wordsmith this into a short mission statement, but I'd like to hear whether this categorization makes sense to you. Thanks for all your comments & suggestions. Let's see how lyric I am today: "The Apache Cocoon Community Project fosters

RE: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-05 Thread Oguz Kologlu
Top Level Project Oz > -Original Message- > From: Nicolas Toper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, 6 February 2004 3:08 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Goal of the Cocoon TLP > > > Hi, > > I've been following this thread and I&

Re: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-05 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On 5 Feb 2004, at 11:08, Nicolas Toper wrote: Hi, I've been following this thread and I've kept wondering: what is a TLP??? :=) Yeah, right. sorry :-) TLP is a Top Level Project, basically anything that is like *.apache.org. cocoon became TLP when it moved from inside xml.apache.org (so unde

Re: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-05 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Nicolas Toper wrote: Hi, I've been following this thread and I've kept wondering: what is a TLP??? "Top Level Project", i.e. "cocoon.apache.org" and not "xml.apache.org/cocoon" as it used to be. A TLP has a PMC ("Project Management Comittee") that decides the goals, roadmap and orientations

Re: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-05 Thread Geoff Howard
Nicolas Toper wrote: Hi, I've been following this thread and I've kept wondering: what is a TLP??? :=) "Top Level Project". Cocoon was recently promoted within the Apache organization from a sub-project of the XML TLP (http://xml.apache.org) to its own TLP (http://cocoon.apache.org). At prese

RE: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-05 Thread Ralph Goers
Top Level Project > -Original Message- > From: Nicolas Toper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 8:08 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Goal of the Cocoon TLP > > > Hi, > > I've been following this thread and I&

RE: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-05 Thread Reinhard Poetz
top level project See the left menu at http://www.apache.org/ for all Apache TLP -- Reinhard > -Original Message- > From: Nicolas Toper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 5:08 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Goal of the Cocoon

Re: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-05 Thread Nicolas Toper
Hi, I've been following this thread and I've kept wondering: what is a TLP??? :=) nicolas Le Jeudi 05 Février 2004 16:17, Geoff Howard a écrit : > Tim Larson wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 08:48:29AM -0500, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > >>On 5 Feb 2004, at 06:46, Geoff Howard wrote: > >>>Would

Re: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-05 Thread Daniel Fagerstrom
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: As for the charter, I agree with Goeff here: we need to keep it general or we would need the board to change our charter every day. So, I would: 1) keep it language neutral: many people dislike java, but they can leave with it if th application is worth the effort (t

Re: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-05 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
Tim Larson wrote: On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 08:48:29AM -0500, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: As for the charter, I agree with Goeff here: we need to keep it general or we would need the board to change our charter every day. I suggest also to mention integration of different software into a pack

Re: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-05 Thread Geoff Howard
Tim Larson wrote: On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 08:48:29AM -0500, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: On 5 Feb 2004, at 06:46, Geoff Howard wrote: Would there be benefit to keeping it more general: "XML based application and publishing framework and applications built on and in support of that framework". As f

Re: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-05 Thread Tim Larson
On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 08:48:29AM -0500, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > > On 5 Feb 2004, at 06:46, Geoff Howard wrote: > >Would there be benefit to keeping it more general: "XML based > >application and publishing framework and applications built on and in > >support of that framework". > > As for

Re: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-05 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On 5 Feb 2004, at 06:46, Geoff Howard wrote: Steven Noels wrote: On 05 Feb 2004, at 12:10, Carsten Ziegeler wrote: We should be able to describe what we do in a more generic sense. Look at the recent logging/portal TLP efforts. I've even been daydreaming whether the Cocoon portal shouldn't cross

Re: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-05 Thread Geoff Howard
Steven Noels wrote: On 05 Feb 2004, at 12:10, Carsten Ziegeler wrote: We should be able to describe what we do in a more generic sense. Look at the recent logging/portal TLP efforts. I've even been daydreaming whether the Cocoon portal shouldn't cross-liaise/find common grounds with the new portal

Re: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-05 Thread Steven Noels
On 05 Feb 2004, at 12:10, Carsten Ziegeler wrote: We should be able to describe what we do in a more generic sense. Look at the recent logging/portal TLP efforts. I've even been daydreaming whether the Cocoon portal shouldn't cross-liaise/find common grounds with the new portal TLP, but that's ir

RE: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-05 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
Steven Noels wrote: > > On 05 Feb 2004, at 11:54, Carsten Ziegeler wrote: > > > My first thought while reading this was that I'm really unsure if we > > need > > such limitations. Honestly, I don't know. > > Well, it has been repeatedly suggested by the board, and I think their > point is fair

Re: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-05 Thread Steven Noels
On 05 Feb 2004, at 11:54, Carsten Ziegeler wrote: My first thought while reading this was that I'm really unsure if we need such limitations. Honestly, I don't know. Well, it has been repeatedly suggested by the board, and I think their point is fair. We should be able to describe what we do in

RE: Goal of the Cocoon TLP

2004-02-05 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
My first thought while reading this was that I'm really unsure if we need such limitations. Honestly, I don't know. What happens if we "forget" something in this mission statement? And if we really need this, at least a category for tools is missing. Carsten Steven Noels wrote: > > Howdie, >