Re: [general] Apache + Meritocracy [Was: [logging] logging vs slf4j]

2011-08-11 Thread Henri Yandell
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 6:06 AM, Ceki Gülcü c...@qos.ch wrote: On 10/08/2011 8:02 AM, Henri Yandell wrote: rambling scope=large unabashed-plugin=true Thank you for posting this summary of the Apache way. Yes, it is damn hard to track contributions, especially if one wishes to do it

Re: [general] Apache + Meritocracy [Was: [logging] logging vs slf4j]

2011-08-11 Thread Ceki Gülcü
On 11/08/2011 8:13 AM, Henri Yandell wrote: I was going to say: That would put Sebb in charge of the ASF!!!, but then I noticed that after the import of Jena Andy Seaborne appears to be the top count committer (I know, that doesn't measure size of commit).

Re: [general] Apache + Meritocracy [Was: [logging] logging vs slf4j]

2011-08-11 Thread sebb
On 11 August 2011 10:21, Ceki Gülcü c...@qos.ch wrote: On 11/08/2011 8:13 AM, Henri Yandell wrote: I was going to say: That would put Sebb in charge of the ASF!!!, but then I noticed that after the import of Jena Andy Seaborne appears to be the top count committer (I know, that doesn't

Re: [general] Apache + Meritocracy [Was: [logging] logging vs slf4j]

2011-08-11 Thread Paul Benedict
I agree with sebb. I prefer an organization where everyone gets one vote. This is obviously not the only way an organization can run, but I like neither having a diminished or overwhelming power with my vote. The best part of having only +1 is that you can't use your merit to strong-arm decisions

[general] Apache + Meritocracy [Was: [logging] logging vs slf4j]

2011-08-10 Thread Henri Yandell
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Ceki Gulcu c...@qos.ch wrote: * On the ASF model In a nutshell, while the ASF is a great organization in many ways, it is not a meritocracy mainly because merit is not measured at all and at the project level no responsiblity is accrued on merit beyond

Re: [general] Apache + Meritocracy [Was: [logging] logging vs slf4j]

2011-08-10 Thread Ceki Gülcü
On 10/08/2011 8:02 AM, Henri Yandell wrote: On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Ceki Gulcuc...@qos.ch wrote: * On the ASF model In a nutshell, while the ASF is a great organization in many ways, it is not a meritocracy mainly because merit is not measured at all and at the project level no

Re: [general] Apache + Meritocracy [Was: [logging] logging vs slf4j]

2011-08-10 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Thank you for posting this summary of the Apache way. Yes, it is damn hard to track contributions, especially if one wishes to do it accurately and fairly. However, it is possible and even easy to keep *approximate* track of contributions, e.g. via commit points as described in my

Re: [general] Apache + Meritocracy [Was: [logging] logging vs slf4j]

2011-08-10 Thread Gary Gregory
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Ceki Gülcü c...@qos.ch wrote: On 10/08/2011 8:02 AM, Henri Yandell wrote: On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Ceki Gulcuc...@qos.ch  wrote: * On the ASF model In a nutshell, while the ASF is a great organization in many ways, it is not a meritocracy mainly

Re: [general] Apache + Meritocracy [Was: [logging] logging vs slf4j]

2011-08-10 Thread Ceki Gülcü
On 10/08/2011 3:47 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: So, why do you want to measure my coding efficiency? Not even my Boss (if I would have one) is allowed to do that! Commit points measure my coding skills probably, not my human skills. Commit points as described in my blog measure the number

Re: [general] Apache + Meritocracy [Was: [logging] logging vs slf4j]

2011-08-10 Thread Ceki Gülcü
On 10/08/2011 3:59 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: Creating a branch of commons-digester using SLF4J/jul/log4jv2 will not convince anyone. I am sorry, but deciding for other people what they are going to think is no way to go either. Experimenting by branching is leading by example. This is a good

Re: [general] Apache + Meritocracy [Was: [logging] logging vs slf4j]

2011-08-10 Thread Mark Struberg
--- On Wed, 8/10/11, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: From: Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [general] Apache + Meritocracy [Was: [logging] logging vs slf4j] To: Commons Developers List dev@commons.apache.org Date: Wednesday, August 10, 2011, 1:47 PM Thank you