Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2011-03-03 Thread Lukasz Lenart
Moving OGNL to Struts 2 could have one pitfall - it can be driven by the project's needs. But that can be good as well ;-) Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Confitura 2011 http://confitura.pl - To

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2011-03-03 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2011/3/3 Antonio Petrelli antonio.petre...@gmail.com: 2011/3/3 Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com: Moving OGNL to Struts 2 could have one pitfall - it can be driven by the project's needs. But that can be good as well ;-) Just a note FWIW. Spring WebFlow also uses OGNL. So, OGNL as a

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2011-03-03 Thread Stephen Colebourne
To be a TLP, you need a bare minimum of 3 active committers, preferably 6. And you'd need to go via the incubator. Commons is an easier fit as the committers can be shared with other commons components, but that still depends on existing commons committers saying that they'd be willing to help

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2011-03-03 Thread Simone Tripodi
I'm interested and would be more than glad on helping OGNL to join the Incubator, count on me to prepare the proposal. I know that this topic should maybe be discussed elsewhere, but before putting an end to this thread I'd like to ask who's interested, between Commons devs, on joining? Looks like

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2011-03-03 Thread Antonio Petrelli
2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org: Looks like Antonio is interested and it would be very nice if he joins. In fact I am, Tiles also uses OGNL via a separate module. Once I created a proposal for a subproject for Tiles but it failed:

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2011-03-03 Thread Antonio Petrelli
2011/3/3 Antonio Petrelli antonio.petre...@gmail.com: 2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org: Looks like Antonio is interested and it would be very nice if he joins. In fact I am If it was not clear, I wish to join :-) Antonio

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2011-03-03 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org: Anyone more? :) You can count on me, but I'm a Struts Committer. Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Confitura 2011 http://confitura.pl - To

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2011-03-03 Thread Antonio Petrelli
2011/3/3 Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com: 2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org: Anyone more? :) You can count on me, but I'm a Struts Committer. I know it :-) for incubation, being an Apache commiter is a plus when creating an incubation proposal. I think you should ask

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2011-03-03 Thread Simone Tripodi
Thanks, it was :) I'm already on general@, I'll move the discussion there :) Simo http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://www.99soft.org/ On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Antonio Petrelli antonio.petre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/3/3 Antonio Petrelli antonio.petre...@gmail.com: 2011/3/3

Fwd: OGNL as a part of Commons

2011-03-03 Thread Lukasz Lenart
One more :-) Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Confitura 2011 http://confitura.pl -- Forwarded message -- From: Maurizio Cucchiara maurizio.cucchi...@gmail.com Date: 2011/3/3 Subject: Re: OGNL as a part of Commons To: Struts Developers List d

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2011-03-03 Thread Nuwan Arambage
://confitura.pl -- Forwarded message -- From: Maurizio Cucchiara maurizio.cucchi...@gmail.com Date: 2011/3/3 Subject: Re: OGNL as a part of Commons To: Struts Developers List d...@struts.apache.org, lukasz.len...@gmail.com Lukasz, you can count on me too, feel free to tell

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2011-03-03 Thread Antonio Petrelli
...@googlemail.comwrote: One more :-) Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Confitura 2011 http://confitura.pl -- Forwarded message -- From: Maurizio Cucchiara maurizio.cucchi...@gmail.com Date: 2011/3/3 Subject: Re: OGNL as a part of Commons To: Struts

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2011-03-03 Thread Nuwan Arambage
:-) Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Confitura 2011 http://confitura.pl -- Forwarded message -- From: Maurizio Cucchiara maurizio.cucchi...@gmail.com Date: 2011/3/3 Subject: Re: OGNL as a part of Commons To: Struts Developers

Fwd: OGNL as a part of Commons

2011-03-03 Thread Lukasz Lenart
FYI -- Forwarded message -- From: Dave Newton davelnew...@gmail.com Date: 2011/3/3 Subject: Re: OGNL as a part of Commons To: Struts Developers List d...@struts.apache.org, lukasz.len...@gmail.com DW: Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com It seems like it might be a good

Fwd: OGNL as a part of Commons

2011-03-03 Thread Lukasz Lenart
FYI -- Forwarded message -- From: Paul Benedict pbened...@apache.org Date: 2011/3/3 Subject: Re: OGNL as a part of Commons To: Struts Developers List d...@struts.apache.org Count me in for backup. If someone gets tied up with day work and you need an extra hand, I will help take

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2011-03-03 Thread Phil Steitz
On 3/3/11 6:06 AM, Simone Tripodi wrote: Thanks, it was :) I'm already on general@, I'll move the discussion there :) Simo It looks to me like if what you guys want to do is incubate OGNL for eventual home in Commons, you have the support you need. The non-Commons ASF committers interested can

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2011-03-03 Thread Simone Tripodi
That's an incredible idea Phil, thanks for your kind feedback! I already started preparing the proposal[1] and sill looking for Sponsor/Champions/Mentors, I like the idea of OGNL as Commons Component and we're waiting for feedbacks from Apache Struts, maybe they're interested too, the we will have

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2011-03-03 Thread Phil Steitz
On 3/3/11 9:24 AM, Simone Tripodi wrote: That's an incredible idea Phil, thanks for your kind feedback! I already started preparing the proposal[1] and sill looking for Sponsor/Champions/Mentors, I like the idea of OGNL as Commons Component and we're waiting for feedbacks from Apache Struts,

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2011-03-01 Thread Lukasz Lenart
Hi, So, where I should start ? Kind regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ Kapituła Javarsovia http://javarsovia.pl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands,

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2011-03-01 Thread Simone Tripodi
Hi all guys, I personally like the proposal and think that OGNL is a nice piece of software that Commons could only benefit if it will join. As I previously expressed, IMHO OGNL could be merged to BeanUtils that already supports the same features, but in a less sophisticated way; BeanUtils could

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2011-03-01 Thread Antonio Petrelli
2010/12/13 Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com: I want to ask you all, is it possible to include OGNL (https://github.com/jkuhnert/ognl , http://www.opensymphony.com/ognl/ ) into Commons project? Personally I would like to see it as a TLP. AFAIK Apache foundation likes to see one

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2011-03-01 Thread Antonio Petrelli
2011/3/1 Antonio Petrelli antonio.petre...@gmail.com: 2010/12/13 Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com: I want to ask you all, is it possible to include OGNL (https://github.com/jkuhnert/ognl , http://www.opensymphony.com/ognl/ ) into Commons project? Personally I would like to see it

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2011-03-01 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2011/3/1 Antonio Petrelli antonio.petre...@gmail.com: There is another problem: is OpenSymphony willing to donate the code to Apache? It's not only a problem of forking, because the entire copyright will pass to Apache, at least for the donated code as it is (the copyright will remain to

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2011-03-01 Thread Simone Tripodi
From Commons HP[1] The Commons is an Apache project focused on all aspects of reusable Java components here we use to speak about Math, Digester, BeanUtils, ... as components and not projects, there are no exceptions you mentioned. Moreover, since EL[2] and JXPATH[3] found their home here at

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2011-03-01 Thread henrib
in context: http://apache-commons.680414.n4.nabble.com/OGNL-as-a-part-of-Commons-tp3085026p3330241.html Sent from the Commons - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2011-03-01 Thread Stephen Colebourne
rather than overlapping ones. Thoughts ? Henrib -- View this message in context: http://apache-commons.680414.n4.nabble.com/OGNL-as-a-part-of-Commons-tp3085026p3330241.html Sent from the Commons - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2011-03-01 Thread Paul Benedict
in the future rather than overlapping ones. Thoughts ? Henrib -- View this message in context: http://apache-commons.680414.n4.nabble.com/OGNL-as-a-part-of-Commons-tp3085026p3330241.html Sent from the Commons - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2011-03-01 Thread Simone Tripodi
than overlapping ones. Thoughts ? Henrib -- View this message in context: http://apache-commons.680414.n4.nabble.com/OGNL-as-a-part-of-Commons-tp3085026p3330241.html Sent from the Commons - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2011-03-01 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2011/3/1 Stephen Colebourne scolebou...@joda.org: Based on what I know of OGNL, it is/was reasonably well used. Trying to merge it into another project doesn't help those existing users. Yep, that's true The question is what are the author(s) of OGNL looking for? A home for maintainance? The

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2011-03-01 Thread Jörg Schaible
Stephen Colebourne wrote: Based on what I know of OGNL, it is/was reasonably well used. Trying to merge it into another project doesn't help those existing users. The question is what are the author(s) of OGNL looking for? A home for maintainance? The Apache brand? To reinvigorate it? The

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2010-12-17 Thread Simone Tripodi
Hi all guys, just a small idea about it: BeanUtils is already maintaining something similar[1] to OGNL, that BTW is more sophisticated, so I propose to evaluate OGNL be accepted as part of BeanUtils, it should be a very good contribution that would improve the commons component. WDYT? Simo [1]

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2010-12-15 Thread Jörg Schaible
Hi Lukasz, Lukasz Lenart wrote: Hi all, I want to ask you all, is it possible to include OGNL (https://github.com/jkuhnert/ognl , http://www.opensymphony.com/ognl/ ) into Commons project? What happened to OpenSymphony that you cannot use their infrastructure anymore? - Jörg

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2010-12-15 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2010/12/15 Jörg Schaible joerg.schai...@scalaris.com: What happened to OpenSymphony that you cannot use their infrastructure anymore? I don't know, there was some rumor about domain owners or so. Also other projects were moved out from OpenSymphony: WebWork became Struts 2, XWork was moved to

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2010-12-14 Thread sebb
On 14 December 2010 06:38, Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com wrote: 2010/12/13 sebb seb...@gmail.com: OGNL is an Expression Language like UEL, it has some nice features like calling statics or using constructors. It's used internally by Struts 2 to evaluate user expressions and not

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2010-12-14 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2010/12/14 sebb seb...@gmail.com: So does it offer anything that JEXL does not? I think no, it looks like JEXL2 is even much better than OGNL. I don't know JEXL2 so deep, but with OGNL you can create objects directly (o = new Object()) and you can call methods with parameters (foo.doit(o)).

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2010-12-14 Thread Henri Yandell
+1. Just like to point out that duplication of featureset is not an issue in Commons. Hen On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi all, I want to ask you all, is it possible to include OGNL (https://github.com/jkuhnert/ognl ,

RE: OGNL as a part of Commons

2010-12-13 Thread Gary Gregory
[mailto:lukasz.len...@googlemail.com] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 02:39 To: dev@commons.apache.org Subject: OGNL as a part of Commons Hi all, I want to ask you all, is it possible to include OGNL (https://github.com/jkuhnert/ognl , http://www.opensymphony.com/ognl/ ) into Commons project? As I

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2010-12-13 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2010/12/13 Gary Gregory ggreg...@seagullsoftware.com: I am wondering how OGNL relates to Commons JXPath http://commons.apache.org/jxpath/ When would you use one vs. the other? OGNL is an Expression Language like UEL, it has some nice features like calling statics or using constructors. It's

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2010-12-13 Thread sebb
On 13 December 2010 20:57, Lukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com wrote: 2010/12/13 Gary Gregory ggreg...@seagullsoftware.com: I am wondering how OGNL relates to Commons JXPath http://commons.apache.org/jxpath/ When would you use one vs. the other? OGNL is an Expression Language like

Re: OGNL as a part of Commons

2010-12-13 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2010/12/13 sebb seb...@gmail.com: OGNL is an Expression Language like UEL, it has some nice features like calling statics or using constructors. It's used internally by Struts 2 to evaluate user expressions and not only in JSP but in any other place. In which case it seems to be similar to

OGNL as a part of Commons

2010-12-12 Thread Lukasz Lenart
Hi all, I want to ask you all, is it possible to include OGNL (https://github.com/jkuhnert/ognl , http://www.opensymphony.com/ognl/ ) into Commons project? As I know OGNL is used by few ASF projects (Struts 2, Tapestry) and right now it's homeless project. It's very hard to prepare a new