Re: Stackoverflow

2011-05-12 Thread David Blevins
Good point on the marking of closed. Critical part. If we wanted to be really lame, closed could be a tag. But right, something like that is critical. What sucks is sometimes I read mailing list mails from users, but don't have time to answer them just then and then of course I forget about t

Re: Stackoverflow

2011-05-12 Thread David Blevins
I guess I'd ignore the 'edit' part and avoid the issue completely. It would also make it hard to do as simple metadata around a plain email. For me tagging and voting and (i forgot) the marking the question answered (thanks, Benson) are the parts I would love. I write some really good response

Re: Stackoverflow

2011-05-12 Thread Benson Margulies
I don't think it's the tagging and voting. It's the ease of finding and tracking unanswered questions. When someone posts a message to one of the busy user(s)@ lists, they have only so much chance of snagging the attention of someone qualified to answer. If they get lost in the wash, the question

Re: Stackoverflow

2011-05-12 Thread Ted Dunning
There is another factor that comes into play. QA sites like SO also blend in wiki and trust mechanisms. Thus, highly rated users can and do rewrite questions to be more answerable/understandable. They can also rewrite answers if necessary. Without automated karma, the moderation function has to

Re: Stackoverflow

2011-05-12 Thread David Blevins
On May 12, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > The QA format, in my opinion, is a very powerful tool for some kinds > of collaborative assistance, and a completely useless tool for others. > It's much easier to find a question with answers than to find a > mailing list thread. It's on the

Re: Stackoverflow

2011-05-12 Thread Benson Margulies
In my opinion, it's completely wrong-headed to imagine that there's any barrier to any PMC choosing to open a simple beachhead on SO and posting a link like http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/caliper on their web presence. The arguments here are reasons why a PMC might choose to put more or

Re: Stackoverflow

2011-05-12 Thread Ross Gardler
On 12/05/2011 22:46, Christian Grobmeier wrote: Do you really think you will adobe the SO community into the ASF community? No, of course not. I'm referring to the few people who are clearly knowledgeable about ASF products. Helping others on SO but are not, for whatever reason, engaging with t

Re: Stackoverflow

2011-05-12 Thread Christian Grobmeier
>> Do you really think you will adobe the SO community into the ASF >> community? > > No, of course not. > I'm referring to the few people who are clearly knowledgeable about ASF > products. Helping others on SO but are not, for whatever reason, engaging > with the ASF projects in question. These p

Re: Stackoverflow

2011-05-12 Thread Ross Gardler
On 12/05/2011 21:27, Christian Grobmeier wrote: Like Nick I'm interested in the "unknown community" that exists in SO. I'm particularly interested in bringing that community into our own communities. Do you really think you will adobe the SO community into the ASF community? No, of course not

Re: Stackoverflow

2011-05-12 Thread Christian Grobmeier
> Like Nick I'm interested in the "unknown community" that exists in SO. I'm > particularly interested in bringing that community into our own communities. Do you really think you will adobe the SO community into the ASF community? I doubt. SO will absorb the ASF user community. At the point of

Stackoverflow discussion...

2011-05-12 Thread David Blevins
Just joined the list. Looks like I missed the start of the discussion. I see it in the archive, but if someone could bump one of the threads so I can jump in that'd be great. (and, yes, that's one of the things I like about SO)

Re: Stackoverflow

2011-05-12 Thread Ross Gardler
On 12/05/2011 19:34, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote: On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 12/05/2011 15:09, Nick Burch wrote: ... Next up is probably visibility. Could we get the feather logo shown? Is that worth having? Can we get an aggregation point of all our tags? If S

Re: Stackoverflow

2011-05-12 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > On 12/05/2011 15:09, Nick Burch wrote: >> >> On Thu, 12 May 2011, Benson Margulies wrote: >>> >>> No discussion at the ASF is complete until we have had it twice. >> >> Or maybe three times, looks like our emails were sent at the same >> time,

Re: Stackoverflow

2011-05-12 Thread Ross Gardler
On 12/05/2011 15:09, Nick Burch wrote: On Thu, 12 May 2011, Benson Margulies wrote: No discussion at the ASF is complete until we have had it twice. Or maybe three times, looks like our emails were sent at the same time, doh! Can we merge these two threads. I'm going to respond here for both

Re: StackOverflow

2011-05-12 Thread Nick Burch
On Thu, 12 May 2011, Benson Margulies wrote: I think that the problem of 'committer shows up as 'rep=1' is not a big problem. The existing moderation circus on SO seems to work reasonably well, and it isn't tag-specific. If committers show up and answer questions, they'll get upvotes, and event

Re: Stackoverflow

2011-05-12 Thread Nick Burch
On Thu, 12 May 2011, Benson Margulies wrote: No discussion at the ASF is complete until we have had it twice. Or maybe three times, looks like our emails were sent at the same time, doh! 1) Some of us observe that many people are posting questions about Apache projects on stackoverflow.com

Re: StackOverflow

2011-05-12 Thread Benson Margulies
I think that the problem of 'committer shows up as 'rep=1' is not a big problem. The existing moderation circus on SO seems to work reasonably well, and it isn't tag-specific. If committers show up and answer questions, they'll get upvotes, and eventually acquire privileges. I can't predict how A

StackOverflow

2011-05-12 Thread Nick Burch
Hi All There's been the odd bit of discussion around StackOverflow on various lists, but I thought this was probably the best place to discuss things. Firstly, I want to make clear that I'm not suggesting we abandon all our user lists, and shift everything over to stackoverflow! However, fo

Stackoverflow

2011-05-12 Thread Benson Margulies
No discussion at the ASF is complete until we have had it twice. A month or so ago, there was a lengthy thread about stackoverflow.com on members@. It rather dribbled out. Recently, someone re-stirred that pot, and Nick Burch recommended taking it over here rather than fill all the members@ mailb