RE: Incubating, Graduating Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

2015-07-04 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
Sorry rushing and as has been pointed out off list auto-correct was not kind here. First sentence is unparseable so here it is again: The ASF is about doing the right thing in code, not pushing paperwork (or the electronic equivalent). Sent from my Windows Phone

Re: svn commit: r1689145 - in /comdev/projects.apache.org/site: doap/whimsy/whimsy.rdf json/projects/whimsy.json

2015-07-04 Thread Hervé BOUTEMY
ok parsecommittees.py updated (with generated content) in http://svn.apache.org/r1689183 notice http://whimsical.apache.org/ does not really gives meaningful result at the moment Regards, Hervé Le samedi 4 juillet 2015 15:48:20 sebb a écrit : On 4 July 2015 at 12:36, hbout...@apache.org

Incubating, Graduating Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

2015-07-04 Thread Pierre Smits
Having such an official ASF policy without the executing office policing it, without podlings being required to accept and instill it in their bylaws before graduation and allowing existing projects not to incorporate it makes it nothing more than a hollow statement, Being part of IPMC, I

Re: switching projects to projects-old and project-new to projects

2015-07-04 Thread Hervé BOUTEMY
issue created https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9916 I'll see on HipChat who will work on this with me Regards, Hervé Le samedi 27 juin 2015 12:20:18 jan i a écrit : On 27 June 2015 at 12:04, Hervé BOUTEMY herve.bout...@free.fr wrote: After recent discussions, I updated

Re: svn commit: r1689145 - in /comdev/projects.apache.org/site: doap/whimsy/whimsy.rdf json/projects/whimsy.json

2015-07-04 Thread sebb
On 4 July 2015 at 12:36, hbout...@apache.org wrote: Author: hboutemy Date: Sat Jul 4 11:36:45 2015 New Revision: 1689145 URL: http://svn.apache.org/r1689145 Log: added Whimsy files Added: comdev/projects.apache.org/site/doap/whimsy/whimsy.rdf

Re: Incubating, Graduating Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

2015-07-04 Thread Pierre Smits
Is that just your opinion? Or something that is documented elsewhere as a part of the rules of the game for projects of the ASF? And if so, where? Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com* Services Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail

Incubating, Graduating Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

2015-07-04 Thread Pierre Smits
Off list? I am sure that quite a few more than just I couldn't distill anything insightful or meaningful from your alrgument. So are we to understand that doing the right thing with respect to the community is pushing paperwork? Doesn't that make the Community over Code aspect of the Apache Way

Re: Incubating, Graduating Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

2015-07-04 Thread Benson Margulies
Writing as someone who has mentored a squad of podlings, I do not believe that there is any requirement for any project to ever adopt any bylaws at all. I was never involved where the board ask for bylaws, and I'm faintly curious as to how that ever came to pass. The normal process is for podlings

RE: Incubating, Graduating Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

2015-07-04 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
Almost every board resolution to create a project contains... RESOLVED, that the initial PROJECT PMC be and hereby is tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development and increased participation in the PROJECT; and be it further -Original Message-

RE: Incubating, Graduating Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

2015-07-04 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
It's my opinion based on accepted practice (and the way I and fellow directors addressed non-technical disputes taken to the board). We've been operating like this since day one. Most project bye laws (that I've read) acknowledge the. E.g. Forrest: For more information about the way that

RE: Incubating, Graduating Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

2015-07-04 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
No I said if projects don't write bye-laws then the defaults if the Apache Way apply. If they have local bye-laws they are expected to be in the spirit of the Apache Way but tuned to the specifics of that project. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Pierre

Re: Incubating, Graduating Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

2015-07-04 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: In fact, I told at least one podling that bylaws are a faint smell of trouble -- if you have enough conflict to feel the need to write down the rules, you might do better working out the reason for the conflict than

RE: Incubating, Graduating Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

2015-07-04 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
In the absence of bye-laws the defaults apply. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Pierre Smitsmailto:pierre.sm...@gmail.com Sent: ‎7/‎4/‎2015 3:35 PM To: dev@community.apache.orgmailto:dev@community.apache.org Subject: Re: Incubating, Graduating Code of conduct @

Re: Incubating, Graduating Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

2015-07-04 Thread Pierre Smits
How can that be? The board of the ASF explicitly tasks the projects (at least those that I have seen, as mentioned in my earlier posting) to establish a set of bylaws. That sounds like a binding clause for being a project of the ASF. The conclusion that can be derived from that is that the project

RE: Incubating, Graduating Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

2015-07-04 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
The ASF is about doing the right thing in code, not loading passport (our the electronic equivalent). There are default position for most situations in a project. In the absence of project specific exceptions the default applies. Most projects are happy with the default and prefer to write code