Re: [Discuss] Attributing contributions to commercial vendors investing in projects

2019-04-17 Thread Joan Touzet
On 2019-04-17 9:04 p.m., Griselda Cuevas wrote: I want to understand how we see and value the topic since I consider it an important influencer in the D topic. More clearly - some projects are not diverse on the commercial vendor affiliation dimension, which can create an environment not so

Re: [Discuss] Attributing contributions to commercial vendors investing in projects

2019-04-17 Thread Phil Steitz
On 4/17/19 6:05 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 6:04 PM Joan Touzet wrote: I'm generally in agreement with Rich, Jim, Shane, Sam and the other "grey beards" who have responded on this thread already. We recognize the individual, not the company, and the individual gets the

Re: [Discuss] Attributing contributions to commercial vendors investing in projects

2019-04-17 Thread Sam Ruby
On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 9:05 PM Sam Ruby wrote: > > This comes up frequently, and the end result of the discussion > generally is along the lines of: > at most, that data should be taken as an indicator suggesting when > deeper investigation is warranted. Even then, it should be something

Re: [Discuss] Attributing contributions to commercial vendors investing in projects

2019-04-17 Thread Sam Ruby
On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 6:04 PM Joan Touzet wrote: > > I'm generally in agreement with Rich, Jim, Shane, Sam and the other > "grey beards" who have responded on this thread already. We recognize > the individual, not the company, and the individual gets the merit. Meta comment: looking at the

Re: [Discuss] Attributing contributions to commercial vendors investing in projects

2019-04-17 Thread Griselda Cuevas
I just want to let everyone know that I am reading you and I acknowledge and appreciate all opinions here. I need time to continue the discussion on a few ideas I see here. To clarify, I am *not* proposing we do this, I want to understand how we see and value the topic since I consider it an

Re: [Discuss] Attributing contributions to commercial vendors investing in projects

2019-04-17 Thread Joan Touzet
Sorry for the self-reply, this sentence: On 2019-04-17 18:04, Joan Touzet wrote: > The danger in writing it down is that it will change people's > opinions of . should read: > the situation by implying the corporate relationship itself is what > is driving the decision making, when that may not

Re: [Discuss] Attributing contributions to commercial vendors investing in projects

2019-04-17 Thread Joan Touzet
Sorry for the self-reply, this sentence: On 2019-04-17 18:04, Joan Touzet wrote: > The danger in writing it down is that it will change people's > opinions of . should read: > the situation by implying the corporate relationship itself is what > is driving the decision making, when that may not

Re: [Discuss] Attributing contributions to commercial vendors investing in projects

2019-04-17 Thread Dmitriy Pavlov
> Some employers actually employ people from the community to work on Open Source projects. Sorry for wordy email, but this topic is something I really care about and I assume some (employed) contributors don't understand it. I'm employed, and I use both my work and free time to contribute. But

Re: [Discuss] Attributing contributions to commercial vendors investing in projects

2019-04-17 Thread Joan Touzet
I'm generally in agreement with Rich, Jim, Shane, Sam and the other "grey beards" who have responded on this thread already. We recognize the individual, not the company, and the individual gets the merit. That said, there are always rumours and scuttlebutt floating around of this sort: "If

Re: [Discuss] Attributing contributions to commercial vendors investing in projects

2019-04-17 Thread Jim Jagielski
The ASF is an entity which is focused on the individual contributor... all "merit" obtained is obtained by the *contributor* and not their companies. There are some exceptions, such as the code donation of a large chunk of code: that can be, and is, "attributed" to a company. But in general,

Re: [Discuss] Attributing contributions to commercial vendors investing in projects

2019-04-17 Thread Dinesh Joshi
> On Apr 17, 2019, at 12:17 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > > imagine some ways to recognize corporations, but Rich has a hugely > important point above: only individuals are recognized as committers, > PMC members, or ASF Members - never companies. > > So while the corporate linking guidelines

Re: [Discuss] Attributing contributions to commercial vendors investing in projects

2019-04-17 Thread Sam Ruby
On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 3:17 PM Shane Curcuru wrote: > > Rich Bowen wrote on 4/17/19 3:08 PM: > > By policy and long-standing tradition, no. Companies do not participate > > in projects. Individuals participate in projects. > > > > It's possible I misunderstand the question, but this is something

Re: [Discuss] Attributing contributions to commercial vendors investing in projects

2019-04-17 Thread Dmitriy Pavlov
Hi, I saw a few examples of how corporate employer's emails had a negative influence on the community health and good ideas were rejected. So (in any kind) stating that Apache Project X roadmap can be driven by company Y (or companies Y and Z) it a dangerous thing. Volunteers will never join the

Re: [Discuss] Attributing contributions to commercial vendors investing in projects

2019-04-17 Thread Shane Curcuru
Rich Bowen wrote on 4/17/19 3:08 PM: > By policy and long-standing tradition, no. Companies do not participate > in projects. Individuals participate in projects. > > It's possible I misunderstand the question, but this is something we > have always discouraged. I think it's a bigger question

Re: [Discuss] Attributing contributions to commercial vendors investing in projects

2019-04-17 Thread Rich Bowen
By policy and long-standing tradition, no. Companies do not participate in projects. Individuals participate in projects. It's possible I misunderstand the question, but this is something we have always discouraged. On 4/17/19 2:27 PM, Griselda Cuevas wrote: Hi ComDev, What are your

[Discuss] Attributing contributions to commercial vendors investing in projects

2019-04-17 Thread Griselda Cuevas
Hi ComDev, What are your opinions/best practices on attributing contributions to commercial vendors who support an Apache project. I recently had a few discussions with folks in OSS and they convinced me on this being a good idea because it has a two-fold purpose: 1. It brings clarity to

Re: [jira] [Resolved] (DI-3) Create a wiki page for Diversity & Inclusion

2019-04-17 Thread Mark Thomas
On 17/04/2019 04:11, Griselda Cuevas wrote: > Hi Mark - for some reason it says I do not have permissions to see the link > you sent. > My ID is gris Sorry. Not the best link and I hadn't quite got the default permissions right. Try this link: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/EDI