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From: Shazron [mailto:shaz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 1:04 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: Deprecation Wars: ICS vs Gingerbread
Joe, perhaps that can be part of the Tools Release blog post? Steve put out a
link to the draft in another
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Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 1:04 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: Deprecation Wars: ICS vs Gingerbread
Joe, perhaps that can be part of the Tools Release blog post? Steve put
out a link to the draft in another thread.
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Joe Bowser bows...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Deprecation Wars: ICS vs Gingerbread
Joe, perhaps that can be part of the Tools Release blog post?
Steve
put
out a link to the draft in another thread.
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Joe Bowser
bows...@gmail.com
wrote:
Resurrecting
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From: Shazron [mailto:shaz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 1:04 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: Deprecation Wars: ICS vs Gingerbread
Joe, perhaps that can be part of the Tools Release blog post? Steve
put
out a link to the draft in another thread
:04 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: Deprecation Wars: ICS vs Gingerbread
Joe, perhaps that can be part of the Tools Release blog post?
Steve
put
out a link to the draft in another thread.
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Joe Bowser bows...@gmail.com
21, 2015 1:04 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: Deprecation Wars: ICS vs Gingerbread
Joe, perhaps that can be part of the Tools Release blog post? Steve put
out a link to the draft in another thread.
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Joe Bowser bows...@gmail.com wrote:
Resurrecting
Joe, perhaps that can be part of the Tools Release blog post? Steve
put out a link to the draft in another thread.
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Joe Bowser bows...@gmail.com wrote:
Resurrecting this thread!
I think we need to let our users know that Cordova 4.0 doesn't support
Resurrecting this thread!
I think we need to let our users know that Cordova 4.0 doesn't support
Gingerbread, or at least some of the features don't work on Gingerbread.
I've been trying to clean up the JIRA a bit today, and it seems that while
we came to a consensus to drop 2.3, we didn't tell
Agreed. That would mean that 3.7.x would be the last release where we
support Android 2.3.x. I don't think that MozillaView is in a good enough
state for us to recommend that path to users. At this point, I can say
that the owners of these 78 million phones should buy a new phone. It's
not
So, where are these numbers coming from? Can we get a breakdown by region?
On Tue Jan 13 2015 at 3:30:23 AM Marcel Kinard cmarc...@gmail.com wrote:
Another stat: Forbes estimates that the existing number of Android phones
is 1.56 billion. Five percent of that is 78 million.
On Jan 13,
Does it really matter? I think Joe summarized it best, we can only claim
to support what is actually being supported (aka actively tested, actively
maintained). Market share doesn't impact that.
Not that we should not actively break 2.3 support, but with 3.7 on the
horizon, and big changes
I agree, we're not really supporting these devices, and it is disingenuous
of the project to advertise that we do. Any apps concerning themselves with
privacy/security won't be targeting or testing on those devices either.
I think a clean break w/ the message 4.x === 4.x, coupled with many
Those are the exact people the Android One program is meant to target. I
rounded up when I stated the price of these devices.
On Tue Jan 13 2015 at 10:42:38 AM Victor Sosa sosah.vic...@gmail.com
wrote:
Well... Not trying to create a polemic here, but you can ask that to
persons who earn
Victor, I don't disagree with your observation that those phones serve a
purpose. But we aren't telling those individuals that they cannot use
their phones, we are telling developers that want to create new
applications for that target to either build mobile web, packaged native,
or just stick to
Another stat: Forbes estimates that the existing number of Android phones is
1.56 billion. Five percent of that is 78 million.
On Jan 13, 2015, at 1:14 AM, Ally Ogilvie aogil...@wizcorp.jp wrote:
moar stats:
https://mixpanel.com/trends/#report/android_os_adoption/from_date:-365,to_date:0
Well... Not trying to create a polemic here, but you can ask that to
persons who earn $10USD a day, and yes, many of these persons have a
very-old-yet-cheap smartphone
2015-01-13 12:33 GMT-06:00 Joe Bowser bows...@gmail.com:
Agreed. That would mean that 3.7.x would be the last release where we
On Tue Jan 13 2015 at 10:42:38 AM Victor Sosa sosah.vic...@gmail.com
wrote:
Well... Not trying to create a polemic here, but you can ask that to
persons who earn $10USD a day, and yes, many of these persons have a
very-old-yet-cheap smartphone
2015-01-13 12:33 GMT-06:00 Joe Bowser
Michal Mocny wrote:
... we aren't telling those individuals that they cannot use
their phones, we are telling developers that want to create new
applications for that target to either build mobile web, packaged native,
or just stick to existing versions of cordova if really needed.
I do not buy
Firefox works on 2.3, and Chrome does not. It also depends on the device
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015, 12:20 PM Josh Soref jso...@blackberry.com wrote:
Michal Mocny wrote:
... we aren't telling those individuals that they cannot use
their phones, we are telling developers that want to create new
I took a quick look at why the mobile-spec plugin tests don't run on 2.3, and
it appears that classList is not a defined method on Element. So the
test-framework page with the Automatic and Manual buttons won't render.
On Jan 8, 2015, at 5:29 PM, Joe Bowser bows...@gmail.com wrote:
However
I forgot to mention that the non-plugin automatic tests do run on 2.3, and have
exactly the same results as my Lollipop device.
On Jan 12, 2015, at 6:05 PM, Marcel Kinard cmarc...@gmail.com wrote:
I took a quick look at why the mobile-spec plugin tests don't run on 2.3, and
it appears that
moar stats:
https://mixpanel.com/trends/#report/android_os_adoption/from_date:-365,to_date:0
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Marcel Kinard cmarc...@gmail.com wrote:
I forgot to mention that the non-plugin automatic tests do run on 2.3, and
have exactly the same results as my Lollipop device.
Er, are we looking at the same data? I see Gingerbread at 7.8% and ICS at 6.7%
at that URL. Data collected during a 7-day period ending on January 5, 2015.
On Jan 7, 2015, at 6:39 PM, Joe Bowser bows...@gmail.com wrote:
http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html#2015
Due to
I think Joe was saying that since we usually deprecate at 5%, we are ~2/3%
off from that mark.
-Michal
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Marcel Kinard cmarc...@gmail.com wrote:
Er, are we looking at the same data? I see Gingerbread at 7.8% and ICS at
6.7% at that URL. Data collected during a
Correct. Next month one of the two will dip, and I think it will be ICS
first.
However it seems nobody actually tests regularly on 2.3.x, so I'm
thinking it's better to be honest about the support we are offering than to
say we support something we don't. Unless someone wants to put the time
The other day I saw a thread of a developer trying to support android 2.2,
and told me he was from argentina, was building an app just for argentina
and 2.2 had a big market share there.
I'm from Spain and 2.3 devices are still sold here.
I just tell this to add another point of view, but I'm OK
Pluggable WebViews will be supported on 2.3, but the only WebView that
kind-of works on Android 2.3 right now is MozillaWebView. We did throw the
people stuck supporting 2.3 a bone with the work we did with the
MozillaWebView work, but given the unstable state of the GeckoView itself,
I don't
So, since nobody other than me was testing on Gingerbread, and since the
tests don't even run on Gingerbread, I think we should stop supporting
Gingerbread after 3.7.0. The reason for this is because I have no way to
vote or verify that this release is actually good for what we support.
It's
Also I no longer test Gingerbread unless explicitly investigating an issue
(and even then, last time was maybe a year ago). CCA apps have never
targeted 2.3.
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote:
My biased 2cents: Gingerbread may still have business sense in
My biased 2cents: Gingerbread may still have business sense in some cases,
but for new cordova apps, I can't see how it is justifiable. If you are
maintaining a legacy app, you can stick to your older cordova version. If
you are creating a new app that needs to target 2.3 (or 2.2 even) and still
I never test on gingerbread.
My opinion is that devs that really need it can just use older Cordova
versions, or can fight through the testing themselves. With multi-apk
support in the play store, you could even use a different version of
Cordova for gingerbread vs. ICS+
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at
Hey
So, 2015 is here, and we have the new Android Pie Chart:
http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html#2015
Due to two percentage points on ICS and three on Gingerbread, we're stuck
supporting these platforms for the near future, but it looks like we're in
the bad spot of them
It seems to me that if we are only going to drop *one*, that it should be
Gingerbread first, since it is a lower SDK version.
How can an app support GB and *not* ICS?
Having said that, I am also interested in the discussion of better numbers on
usage than just the Play Store (even if my gut
I'm just mentioning it because my only Android 4.0.3 devices are an ASUS
Transformer 2 tablet and a Motorola RAZR phone that did weird things to my
computer when I tried installing the extra software to upgrade it.
However, if we did deprecate 2.3, I can just flash 4.0.3 on the Nexus S and
use
Also, who actually tests on Gingerbread? Please comment on this thread.
On Wed Jan 07 2015 at 5:09:49 PM Joe Bowser bows...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm just mentioning it because my only Android 4.0.3 devices are an ASUS
Transformer 2 tablet and a Motorola RAZR phone that did weird things to my
I say we go 4.x all in and drop everything below. Time to draw a line.
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015, 6:24 PM Joe Bowser bows...@gmail.com wrote:
Also, who actually tests on Gingerbread? Please comment on this thread.
On Wed Jan 07 2015 at 5:09:49 PM Joe Bowser bows...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm just
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On Wed, Jan 7, 2015, 6:49 PM tommy-carlos williams to...@devgeeks.org
wrote:
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tommy-carlos williams
On 8 January 2015 at 12:37:59, Brian LeRoux (b...@brian.io) wrote:
I say we go 4.x all in and drop everything below. Time to draw a line.
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015, 6:24 PM Joe Bowser
Those stickers are old! I don't go to Android conferences, sine Android
devs hate us these days.
On Wed Jan 07 2015 at 5:53:04 PM Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:
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On Wed, Jan 7, 2015, 6:49 PM tommy-carlos williams to...@devgeeks.org
wrote:
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tommy-carlos williams
On 8 January 2015
I know they are old, but I have always wanted one, heh.
--
tommy-carlos williams
On 8 January 2015 at 12:54:24, Joe Bowser (bows...@gmail.com) wrote:
Those stickers are old! I don't go to Android conferences, sine Android
devs hate us these days.
On Wed Jan 07 2015 at 5:53:04 PM Brian
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