Re: Widening the window (was: The Deprecation of Froyo)

2013-06-07 Thread Marcel Kinard
The users I've been hearing from that want Froyo also want iOS 4.3 and in some cases 4.2. What hit me is that even if we do keep Froyo in Cordova, it's not going to solve the same problem for iOS. Support in Cordova for iOS 4.x is already gone and not coming back. So at the end of the day,

Re: Widening the window (was: The Deprecation of Froyo)

2013-06-03 Thread David Kemp
It seems that part of the problem here is that there is a industrial developer community that we do not have good data about. What about polling that community specifically to get usage numbers and version support for apps not deployed through the store? That data could be used to augment the

Re: Widening the window (was: The Deprecation of Froyo)

2013-06-03 Thread Ian Clelland
I actually like the idea of extending this into a general developer survey -- something that we could run every year, and get a better feel for the entire community. What versions of Cordova/PhoneGap are you using? What devices are you targetting? What is your quest? How many apps are you

Re: Widening the window (was: The Deprecation of Froyo)

2013-06-03 Thread Brian LeRoux
We run survey's like these all the time for the PhoneGap distribution. While a useful indicator there is some big responsibility with this data that should be taken into consideration. If we pursue surveying and other metrics it should be kept private to the PMC. The original goal of the project

Widening the window (was: The Deprecation of Froyo)

2013-05-31 Thread Marcel Kinard
There is a window of device OS's that Cordova supports, from the latest-and-greatest, to some number of levels back. As Cordova picks up new device OS's, old ones drop away, and the window tends to a standard size. I'm hearing from customers that use Cordova in large Asian markets that public

RE: Widening the window (was: The Deprecation of Froyo)

2013-05-31 Thread Ken Wallis
I completely understand this argument, but there is one angle that makes this very murky, and I think talks mostly to Marcel's argument: Enterprise. I deal with this everyday, trying to get any sort of metric around Enterprise apps. It is almost impossible. But the anecdotal evidence from our

Re: Widening the window (was: The Deprecation of Froyo)

2013-05-31 Thread Shazron
I always forget about enterprise until Kevin Hawkins from Salesforce brings up some enterprise-y issues. Which reminds me of a conversation I had with a Cordova dev/shop that is still using BB 5.0 Cordova for banking apps in Nigeria (their platform is used by a majority of banks there). Because