Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-12-05 Thread Matt Goodall
For the record, I think it's important to remember that design docs are extensible, i.e. couchapp-style tools should also support 'fulltext' (couchdb-lucene), 'spatial' (geocouch), etc members. In general, that means blindly building a design doc from whatever bits (js, json, plain text) are on dis

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-12-04 Thread Benjamin Young
On 11/30/13, 7:20 PM, Russell Branca wrote: A couple of options for approach would be to formalize the folder definition of a couchapp and list tools known to be compatible First parts done: https://github.com/couchapp/couchapp/wiki/Complete-Filesystem-to-Design-Doc-Mapping-Example erica and c

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-12-04 Thread Octavian Damiean
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Peter Nolan wrote: > the purpose of 'what a couchapp is' in my previous email was intended to > clarify what a couchapp is. In the past, there has been many discussions > on what exactly constitutes a 'couchapp', and i just wanted to express my > view what a 'couc

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-12-04 Thread Peter Nolan
Heya, the purpose of 'what a couchapp is' in my previous email was intended to clarify what a couchapp is. In the past, there has been many discussions on what exactly constitutes a 'couchapp', and i just wanted to express my view what a 'couchapp' is. And more importantly, to emphasize the inde

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-12-04 Thread Octavian Damiean
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Peter Nolan wrote: > Personally, what i'd like to see from 'couch-apps'. is the ability for a > layman to be able to develop websites that use couchdb as the database, > knowing only > > HTML > CSS > Javascript > Couchdb > > > Without needing the following > 1) ch

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-12-04 Thread Peter Nolan
Hey all, First off I'd like to say that it's absolutely wonderful that there is such passion for couchapps these many years later. The problems that couchapp has will only be solved if people care to solve em, which we do, so yay! I think one of the big problems that couch-app has had is haphaza

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-12-04 Thread Noah Slater
Hi folks, We expect the mailing list to be a friendly and welcoming environment for everyone. This is very important for the community, so please try to keep it that way. I will follow up with people in private if any further clarification is needed. Thank you, On 3 December 2013 23:46, david ma

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-12-03 Thread david martin
NO! -- David Martin

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-12-03 Thread Florian Westreicher Bakk.techn.
I have no idea what that email was about, could you clarify please? david martin wrote: >On 02/12/13 14:16, Noah Slater wrote: >> Thanks Benoit. >> >> If J Chris does not want to cede control of the domain, we might want >> to consider using ourGoogle juice to get another website to the top >>

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-12-02 Thread david martin
On 02/12/13 14:16, Noah Slater wrote: Thanks Benoit. If J Chris does not want to cede control of the domain, we might want to consider using ourGoogle juice to get another website to the top of the search results. To everyone else in the thread: I know you guys are passionate about this stuff,

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-12-02 Thread Octavian Damiean
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Vivek Pathak wrote: > > Firstly, let me thank you all on the great work you have done with couch. > Thanks. > > Secondly, regardless of JChris/domain ownership/personal likings etc; Is > there any possibility of improving (or changing) couchapp (or its > replacem

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-12-02 Thread Vivek Pathak
Firstly, let me thank you all on the great work you have done with couch. Thanks. Secondly, regardless of JChris/domain ownership/personal likings etc; Is there any possibility of improving (or changing) couchapp (or its replacement's) functionality? For example: 1. Javascript stored o

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-12-02 Thread Dale Harvey
So funnily enough I just got an email that couchapp.net which I had registered was in its redemption period, I just renewed it and anyone is free to it On 2 December 2013 14:16, Noah Slater wrote: > Thanks Benoit. > > If J Chris does not want to cede control of the domain, we might want > to co

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-12-02 Thread Noah Slater
Thanks Benoit. If J Chris does not want to cede control of the domain, we might want to consider using our Google juice to get another website to the top of the search results. To everyone else in the thread: I know you guys are passionate about this stuff, but please try to relax a little. I did

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-12-02 Thread Benoit Chesneau
just a quick update about this topic. jchris has been contacted and I exchanged a mail with him yesterday. Maybe some good news around will see. I will keep this thread updated asap. Also thanks for your help all. I propose to coordinate sometimes this week once we know more :) - benoit On Mon,

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-12-02 Thread Andy Wenk
On 2 December 2013 12:51, Octavian Damiean wrote: > > It's hard to say for the whole community, but better to say who > > (personally) wants to maintain and collaborate in couchapp.org > > support. I'd like to, pretty sure that Benoit too. Who else? > me! Cheers Andy -- Andy Wenk Hamburg - G

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-12-02 Thread Octavian Damiean
I'd volunteer as well Alex. On Dec 2, 2013 12:01 PM, "Alexander Shorin" wrote: > On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Andy Wenk wrote: > > - do we (the CouchDB community) want to maintain the contents? Regardless > > if it is "part" of CouchDB or not (this is a never-ending discussion > imho) > > It

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-12-02 Thread Alexander Shorin
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Andy Wenk wrote: > - do we (the CouchDB community) want to maintain the contents? Regardless > if it is "part" of CouchDB or not (this is a never-ending discussion imho) It's hard to say for the whole community, but better to say who (personally) wants to maintain

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-12-02 Thread Andy Wenk
why don't we stop the discussion here and think about how couchapp.org or at least the contents can be maintained further? There are only some points to clarify: - do we (the CouchDB community) want to maintain the contents? Regardless if it is "part" of CouchDB or not (this is a never-ending disc

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-12-01 Thread Vivek Pathak
Hi I agree quite a bit about the coucapp. Hence couldnt help but comment. Couchapp does seem to have quite a few rough corners feel to it - when compared to the soundness of couchdb as a whole (even without bigcouch etc). I have been using a self written tool to push view/list/show code to

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-12-01 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Filippo Fadda < filippo.fa...@programmazione.it> wrote: > > On Dec 1, 2013, at 4:26 AM, Alexander Shorin wrote: > > You can do the same with Erlang query server since it has access to > > all internal functions. > > I can do it in PHP inside my Query Server (I alrea

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-12-01 Thread Alexander Shorin
Filippo, I heard you, thanks. And FYI show, list and other functions are already "plugins": you may disable them at httpd_design_handlers config section in any time or replace them by your own implementation. -- ,,,^..^,,, On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Filippo Fadda wrote: > > On Dec 1, 2013

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-12-01 Thread Filippo Fadda
I'm not a neophyte, I have just a different opinion of yours. Republicans and democrats don't share same opinions, and even inside a group you can find people with different opinions and you have to respect them, always. This is called democracy. I don't decide the goals myself, but I can expres

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-12-01 Thread Filippo Fadda
On Dec 1, 2013, at 4:26 AM, Alexander Shorin wrote: > You can do the same with Erlang query server since it has access to > all internal functions. I can do it in PHP inside my Query Server (I already said this to you), without the need to investigate the CouchDB internals, trying to find the f

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-12-01 Thread Johannes Jörg Schmidt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01.12.2013 01:20, Russell Branca wrote: > In its current form, couchapp.org is a relic that has been mostly > abandoned and is not maintainable by the community. I strongly feel > we should move the couchapp documentation into official > documentati

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-12-01 Thread david martin
On 01/12/13 00:20, Russell Branca wrote: In its current form, couchapp.org is a relic that has been mostly abandoned and is not maintainable by the community. I strongly feel we should move the couchapp documentation into official documentation. I see two relevant points of interest in this discu

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-11-30 Thread Alexander Shorin
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 4:20 AM, Russell Branca wrote: > In its current form, couchapp.org is a relic that has been mostly abandoned > and is not maintainable by the community. I strongly feel we should move > the couchapp documentation into official documentation. I see two relevant > points of in

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-11-30 Thread Alexander Shorin
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Filippo Fadda wrote: > > On Dec 1, 2013, at 1:18 AM, Benoit Chesneau wrote: >> And you keep ignoring what I said about the doc. Ie. it is not complete >> (and it must be fixed). >> >> Like stored procedure they are stored. Like stored procedure they can be >> used

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-11-30 Thread Filippo Fadda
On Dec 1, 2013, at 1:18 AM, Benoit Chesneau wrote: > And you keep ignoring what I said about the doc. Ie. it is not complete > (and it must be fixed). > > Like stored procedure they are stored. Like stored procedure they can be > used in a query. Afaik queries happen on HTTP level in couchdb. >

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-11-30 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 1:20 AM, Russell Branca wrote: > In its current form, couchapp.org is a relic that has been mostly > abandoned > and is not maintainable by the community. I strongly feel we should move > the couchapp documentation into official documentation. I see two relevant > points of

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-11-30 Thread Russell Branca
In its current form, couchapp.org is a relic that has been mostly abandoned and is not maintainable by the community. I strongly feel we should move the couchapp documentation into official documentation. I see two relevant points of interest in this discussion. First is the notion of couchapps as

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-11-30 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Filippo Fadda < filippo.fa...@programmazione.it> wrote: > List and show are not stored procedure. We already discussed that Benoit. > > http://wiki.apache.org/couchdb/Formatting_with_Show_and_List > > From the documentation: "Show and list functions are side effec

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-11-30 Thread Filippo Fadda
List and show are not stored procedure. We already discussed that Benoit. http://wiki.apache.org/couchdb/Formatting_with_Show_and_List From the documentation: "Show and list functions are side effect free and idempotent. They can not make additional HTTP requests against CouchDB. Their purpose

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-11-30 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Filippo Fadda < filippo.fa...@programmazione.it> wrote: > Alexander, > > PgREST is not PostgreSQL anyway, it's a project that uses PostgreSQL and I > think CouchApp should be the same, maybe a plugin but not a core feature. > But PgRest is only possible if you can

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-11-30 Thread Filippo Fadda
Alexander, PgREST is not PostgreSQL anyway, it's a project that uses PostgreSQL and I think CouchApp should be the same, maybe a plugin but not a core feature. Which are the CouchDB goals? The goals are determined at blastoff time. You must ensure the goals are reasonable, attainable, simply st

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-11-30 Thread Alexander Shorin
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 9:58 PM, Filippo Fadda wrote: > CouchDB is a database. And IMHO couch apps are something that shouldn't be > part of the CouchDB core. Benoit asked a very simple question and I gave my > opinion. I think who matters should take a position on the subject because I > can u

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-11-30 Thread Filippo Fadda
David, for me, and I speak just for myself, CouchDB is a database. And IMHO couch apps are something that shouldn't be part of the CouchDB core. Benoit asked a very simple question and I gave my opinion. I think who matters should take a position on the subject because I can understand Benoit f

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-11-30 Thread david martin
On 30/11/13 15:41, Filippo Fadda wrote: maybe hurt your feelings? Many people cut their teeth on couchapp (not couchapps), implemented by Benoit. Many people learned the rudiments of CouchDB and probed the limitations of many things using the Python based couchapp interface . Your views are

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-11-30 Thread Jim Klo
FWIW the domain expires on Dec 13th in a couple weeks. If couchbase doesn't care about it, maybe they won't renew it? Jim Klo Senior Software Engineer SRI International t: @nsomnac On Nov 30, 2013, at 8:18 AM, "Octavian Damiean" mailto:odami...@linux.com>> wrote: On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 4:41 P

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-11-30 Thread Octavian Damiean
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Filippo Fadda < filippo.fa...@programmazione.it> wrote: > Anyway, if you decide (I mean you all) that the couch apps are an integral > CouchDB part, I think they should be a topic of the CouchDB main site and > not live in a separate domain. Else, if you consider c

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-11-30 Thread Filippo Fadda
I can understand your frustration but I see other members are avoiding your question because they don't want take a position (or maybe hurt your feelings?). Dirkjan is the only one has taken a position and, personally, I agree with him, but you already know that since we discussed, partially, th

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-11-30 Thread Alexander Shorin
+1 couchapp is quite known brand of not the one, but group of CouchDB features. Even if couchapp.org isn't be a part of project, if it doesn't works well - it makes CouchDB not bad, but also not good reputation. People has a bit different measurement that based on feelings (is it informative, works

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-11-30 Thread Octavian Damiean
+1 even if we decide that the concept shouldn't be part of the core project we should make sure that it is maintained well since it represents a community effort and w certainly don't want our community to look broken. On Nov 30, 2013 12:46 PM, "Jan Lehnardt" wrote: > > On 30 Nov 2013, at 11:34 ,

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-11-30 Thread Jan Lehnardt
On 30 Nov 2013, at 11:34 , Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: > On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Benoit Chesneau wrote: >> If we considers the couchapps concept as a part of the couchdb project, >> then we should: >> >> - either start some action >> >> - or find a new name and new way to document the c

Re: [discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-11-30 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Benoit Chesneau wrote: > If we considers the couchapps concept as a part of the couchdb project, > then we should: > > - either start some action > > - or find a new name and new way to document the concept > > If some of you consider that we should just ditch th

[discuss] couchapp.org down, couchapp.org spammed

2013-11-30 Thread Benoit Chesneau
Enough is enough, I am starting to be really frustrated this situation. Not having any control on the couchapp.org starts to be really annoying. It is now 1 week since the couchapp.org website is spammed without any possibility to revert the content or whatever. I will yet again contact Jchris an