[TTH] on the "international English" issue

2014-11-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, I read that thread at http://markmail.org/message/qbipsoo3k4umbh4a IMO that's a typical example where it's impossible to come up with a "right" solution...people have various levels of concern for that issue, ranging from exactly zero to "my customers say our stuff is crap when they see that"

Re: [TTH] on the "international English" issue

2014-11-26 Thread Erik de Bruin
What is the Apache Way (tm) to 'agree to disagree'? When there are two opposing positions that are both right, but different enough not to be able to reach a compromise, what action might break the deadlock? A vote would result in one side 'losing', something we have been trying to avoid in this p

Re: [TTH] on the "international English" issue

2014-11-26 Thread Harbs
Just to use Alex’s division of items in an attempt to make things clear: 1) Release package documents: README, RELEASE_NOTES, LICENSE, NOTICE, CONTRIBUTING, etc. 2) API names (classes, properties, styles, etc) 3) ASDoc and JavaDoc comments (really, any comments that end up in user documentation) 4

Re: [TTH] on the "international English" issue

2014-11-26 Thread Erik de Bruin
A second question: would it be OK to call a vote to end a discussion? In other words: does a vote always have to be about something tangible - a paragraph in the Wiki, a release, etc. Or can a vote also be (to put it bluntly): "[VOTE] stop being pains in the project's buttocks and leave the spellin

Re: [TTH] on the "international English" issue

2014-11-26 Thread Harbs
Very good question. I see having an agreed upon method of killing discussions as a very positive move. On Nov 26, 2014, at 11:30 AM, Erik de Bruin wrote: > A second question: would it be OK to call a vote to end a discussion? > In other words: does a vote always have to be about something tang

Re: [TTH] on the "international English" issue

2014-11-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Harbs wrote: > ...The way I understand your suggestion is like this: > We agree on variant “X” I would only care about localizing text that is visible when people run a Flex application - dialogs, error messages etc. As for everything else, that's eithe

Re: [TTH] on the "international English" issue

2014-11-26 Thread Harbs
Personally, I’m more comfortable with broader consistency (in website, etc.), but I’m fine with this. Since user facing text is all localized already, based on your suggestions, we can drop this whole discussion. Thanks, Harbs On Nov 26, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, >

Re: [TTH] on the "international English" issue

2014-11-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Erik de Bruin wrote: > ...can a vote also be (to > put it bluntly): "[VOTE] stop being pains in the project's buttocks > and leave the spelling/grammar issue well enough alone!"... A PMC can make their own rules on such things, but IMO the best way to end discuss

Re: [TTH] on the "international English" issue

2014-11-26 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Thanks for stepping to to helping out Bertrand, sorry you need to spend time on this. > My recommendation would be to find a technical solution to what is a rightful > community issue Most of the SDK (error messages and the like) are localised so there's nothing that needs to be done ther

Re: [TTH] on the "international English" issue

2014-11-26 Thread Erik de Bruin
Justin, > Most of the SDK (error messages and the like) are localised so there's > nothing that needs to be done there - other than keep it up to date and add > new locales where people can contribute. The current area of disagreement is > actually very small and if the spelling issues in READ

Re: [TTH] on the "international English" issue

2014-11-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Erik de Bruin wrote: > ...That opinion might translate into > a -1 vote, but I just checked and that wouldn't amount to a veto for a > release I agree that releases cannot be vetoed. OTOH someone can technically veto a commit that introduces a spelling error

Re: [TTH] on the "international English" issue

2014-11-26 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > Nowhere in the bylaws (that I can find) does it say that spelling > issues in documentation are release blockers. !00% correct and I'm against it. > If someone said they should be, that would be an opinion. Also correct , but: a) With the new no RC process, (which IMO basically require co

Re: [TTH] on the "international English" issue

2014-11-26 Thread Erik de Bruin
What, in your opinion, would adequately resolve this apparent catch-22? EdB On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > >> Nowhere in the bylaws (that I can find) does it say that spelling >> issues in documentation are release blockers. > > !00% correct and I'm against it.

Re: [TTH] on the "international English" issue

2014-11-26 Thread Alex Harui
On 11/26/14, 2:57 AM, "Justin Mclean" wrote: >Hi, > >> Nowhere in the bylaws (that I can find) does it say that spelling >> issues in documentation are release blockers. > >!00% correct and I'm against it. > >> If someone said they should be, that would be an opinion. > >Also correct , but: >a)

Re: [TTH] on the "international English" issue

2014-11-26 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > What, in your opinion, would adequately resolve this apparent catch-22? Well the ideal solution would to have more PMC involvement on release votes, but I've no good ideas how to encourage PMC members to vote on releases. Thanks, Justin