Re: Assemblies assemblies everywhere and which one to ship?

2007-01-13 Thread Jason Dillon
On Jan 12, 2007, at 5:06 PM, Matt Hogstrom wrote: Here is my concern...Assume a downloads page that looks like this: Java Enterprise Edition Certified Releases - Tomcat Axis OpenJPA - Jetty CXF Cayenne Other Releases - Tomcat CXF OpenJPA - Jetty Axis Cayenne Minimal Assemblies - Tomcat ...

Re: Assemblies assemblies everywhere and which one to ship?

2007-01-12 Thread Matt Hogstrom
Here is my concern...Assume a downloads page that looks like this: Java Enterprise Edition Certified Releases - Tomcat Axis OpenJPA - Jetty CXF Cayenne Other Releases - Tomcat CXF OpenJPA - Jetty Axis Cayenne Minimal Assemblies - Tomcat ... There is a difference between being On Jan 12, 2007

Re: Assemblies assemblies everywhere and which one to ship?

2007-01-12 Thread Aaron Mulder
You can install a plugin from the command line deploy tool -- just use the "install-plugin" command point it to the CAR file. The down side is that if that plugin has dependencies, they will be resolved against a remote repository (as listed in the plugin metadata). So you'd presently have to pl

Re: Assemblies assemblies everywhere and which one to ship?

2007-01-12 Thread Paul McMahan
On 1/12/07, Jason Dillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How easy is it to install a set of plugins from the command-line? The CLI provided by bin/deploy.sh provides an interactive shell for this. To list and install plugins from the Geronimo 2.0 plugin repository type : deploy.sh search-plugins h

Re: Assemblies assemblies everywhere and which one to ship?

2007-01-12 Thread David Jencks
On Jan 12, 2007, at 10:43 AM, Jason Dillon wrote: How easy is it to install a set of plugins from the command-line? And don't plugins require a remote repository to hold the archives? While I think that this is good to allow installation of custom plugins, I don't think its good to use a

Re: Assemblies assemblies everywhere and which one to ship?

2007-01-12 Thread Jason Dillon
How easy is it to install a set of plugins from the command-line? And don't plugins require a remote repository to hold the archives? While I think that this is good to allow installation of custom plugins, I don't think its good to use a remote repo to install system components. I'd rath

Re: Assemblies assemblies everywhere and which one to ship?

2007-01-12 Thread Joe Bohn
Paul McMahan wrote: On 1/12/07, Jason Dillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If we do start shipping 8 (or more) different assemblies... which I think is crazy, then we probably don't want to hook them all up to the default build, as it will just cause it take longer and longer to run. We really

Re: Assemblies assemblies everywhere and which one to ship?

2007-01-12 Thread Paul McMahan
On 1/12/07, Jason Dillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If we do start shipping 8 (or more) different assemblies... which I think is crazy, then we probably don't want to hook them all up to the default build, as it will just cause it take longer and longer to run. We really need to get plugins func

Re: Assemblies assemblies everywhere and which one to ship?

2007-01-12 Thread Jason Dillon
If we do start shipping 8 (or more) different assemblies... which I think is crazy, then we probably don't want to hook them all up to the default build, as it will just cause it take longer and longer to run. We really need to get plugins functional so that we can build one assembly. P

Re: Assemblies assemblies everywhere and which one to ship?

2007-01-12 Thread Matt Hogstrom
I understood the point but since every permutation takes at least two days, hardware, and time to nurture I was more concerned about getting in a situation where we wouldn't release anything until we had 8 different assemblies. On Jan 12, 2007, at 3:22 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: On Jan 1

Re: Assemblies assemblies everywhere and which one to ship?

2007-01-12 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Alan, There are 2 things here: 1. Making sure our code works in all combinations 2. Passing the TCK. Both are mutually exclusive. We are talking about #2 here :) We can run all combinations to everyone's heart's content. But that is not needed to pass the TCK. -- dims On 1/12/07, Alan D. Cabre

Re: Assemblies assemblies everywhere and which one to ship?

2007-01-12 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
On Jan 11, 2007, at 9:48 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote: I don't think there is any requirement of exact combination of components for TCK compliance. AFAIK, we need to ship the exact code we tested, that's it. FWIW, it's self-certification as well :) So i am happy if all the components are put thr

Re: Assemblies assemblies everywhere and which one to ship?

2007-01-12 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
On Jan 11, 2007, at 7:27 AM, Matt Hogstrom wrote: What are the specifics around claiming certification? My understanding is that to claim an assembly as certified that specific configuration is tested and made available. Apart from that we can ship any permutation but cannot claim those

Re: Assemblies assemblies everywhere and which one to ship?

2007-01-11 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Matt, I don't think there is any requirement of exact combination of components for TCK compliance. AFAIK, we need to ship the exact code we tested, that's it. FWIW, it's self-certification as well :) So i am happy if all the components are put thru the grinder at least once. thanks, -- dims On

Re: Assemblies assemblies everywhere and which one to ship?

2007-01-11 Thread Matt Hogstrom
Geir, What are the specifics around claiming certification? My understanding is that to claim an assembly as certified that specific configuration is tested and made available. Apart from that we can ship any permutation but cannot claim those as certified. So if we TCK tested: Tomca

Re: Assemblies assemblies everywhere and which one to ship?

2007-01-11 Thread Davanum Srinivas
I agree with david. -- dims On 1/11/07, David Jencks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jan 11, 2007, at 12:01 AM, Jarek Gawor wrote: > How hard is it to switch between the different assemblies once the TCK > testing environment is setup? If it is easy enough, maybe we should > first test all 8 as

Re: Assemblies assemblies everywhere and which one to ship?

2007-01-10 Thread David Jencks
On Jan 11, 2007, at 12:01 AM, Jarek Gawor wrote: How hard is it to switch between the different assemblies once the TCK testing environment is setup? If it is easy enough, maybe we should first test all 8 assemblies and then concentrate on only those that pass the most tests. I guess I have t

Re: Assemblies assemblies everywhere and which one to ship?

2007-01-10 Thread Jarek Gawor
How hard is it to switch between the different assemblies once the TCK testing environment is setup? If it is easy enough, maybe we should first test all 8 assemblies and then concentrate on only those that pass the most tests. Jarek On 1/9/07, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I thin

Re: Assemblies assemblies everywhere and which one to ship?

2007-01-09 Thread Davanum Srinivas
I think testing say (Tomcat+Axis2+OpenJPA) and (Jetty+CXF+Cayenne) is enough. All components should be tested at least once. If we get time, we could do more :) -- dims On 1/8/07, Dain Sundstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jan 7, 2007, at 9:38 PM, David Jencks wrote: > On Jan 7, 2007, at 11:

Re: Assemblies assemblies everywhere and which one to ship?

2007-01-08 Thread Dain Sundstrom
On Jan 8, 2007, at 11:59 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: On Jan 8, 2007, at 9:39 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote: Well, we depend on being able to listen to events on the EM which there is no spec interface for. I'm sure Cayanne has and interface that can provide us with the events, and when they sen

Re: Assemblies assemblies everywhere and which one to ship?

2007-01-08 Thread Andrus Adamchik
On Jan 8, 2007, at 9:39 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote: Well, we depend on being able to listen to events on the EM which there is no spec interface for. I'm sure Cayanne has and interface that can provide us with the events, and when they send us the info we can add a hook for their Impl. Wh

Re: Assemblies assemblies everywhere and which one to ship?

2007-01-08 Thread Andrus Adamchik
On Jan 8, 2007, at 9:46 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote: FWIU, JPA has a separate TCK for certification. You should ask on jcp-open at apache.org. We'll try that - thanks! Andrus

Re: Assemblies assemblies everywhere and which one to ship?

2007-01-08 Thread Dain Sundstrom
On Jan 8, 2007, at 10:18 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: (I'm not sure of the state of Cayenne) It looks like Geronimo are the caretakers of the Sun TCK at Apache (something we, Cayenne developers, still can't get access to). While Cayenne JPA provider requires fair amount of work to be compl

Re: Assemblies assemblies everywhere and which one to ship?

2007-01-08 Thread Dain Sundstrom
On Jan 7, 2007, at 9:38 PM, David Jencks wrote: On Jan 7, 2007, at 11:33 PM, Matt Hogstrom wrote: I was thinking about M2 this weekend and was considering many of the challenges we face in putting out certified releases. Up till now the number of permutations has been pretty limited and th

Re: Assemblies assemblies everywhere and which one to ship?

2007-01-08 Thread Andrus Adamchik
(I'm not sure of the state of Cayenne) It looks like Geronimo are the caretakers of the Sun TCK at Apache (something we, Cayenne developers, still can't get access to). While Cayenne JPA provider requires fair amount of work to be compliant, it would be really helpful in our own testing ef

Re: Assemblies assemblies everywhere and which one to ship?

2007-01-08 Thread Matt Hogstrom
I don't think its just TCK. I agree we should scope the configuration to a limited set but I'm also concerned about making assemblies available. Given my math challenged 6 which is really 8 I don't think we would want to generate every one of them. So I think from the download page persp

Re: Assemblies assemblies everywhere and which one to ship?

2007-01-08 Thread Jason Dillon
On Jan 8, 2007, at 12:38 AM, David Jencks wrote: rather than saying we'll only ship when we have all 6 it seems more appropriate to me to say that we'll ship the assemblies that people are willing to work on which includes TCK testing. Any other ideas on how to handle this? Anyone interest

Re: Assemblies assemblies everywhere and which one to ship?

2007-01-08 Thread Jason Dillon
2 is bad enough already... 6 or 8 or 10 or whatever is insane IMO. Just because G is flexible enough to be configured in such different ways, does not mean that we need (or should) to ship assemblies with those configurations or run the TCK against them. I think we really need to pick one a

Re: Assemblies assemblies everywhere and which one to ship?

2007-01-07 Thread David Jencks
On Jan 7, 2007, at 11:33 PM, Matt Hogstrom wrote: I was thinking about M2 this weekend and was considering many of the challenges we face in putting out certified releases. Up till now the number of permutations has been pretty limited and that has been Jetty and Tomcat. With Java EE 5.0

Assemblies assemblies everywhere and which one to ship?

2007-01-07 Thread Matt Hogstrom
I was thinking about M2 this weekend and was considering many of the challenges we face in putting out certified releases. Up till now the number of permutations has been pretty limited and that has been Jetty and Tomcat. With Java EE 5.0 life is no longer that simple. Here are the choic