Re: challenges through Java modules (aka jigsaw)

2015-11-29 Thread Russel Winder
le to fix that, but i'm not that > guy. I suspect you may know a person who can… -- Russel. ========= Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 0

Re: challenges through Java modules (aka jigsaw)

2015-11-29 Thread Russel Winder
French, German, Spanish,… there are "marketing dudes" bound to every language.)  -- Russel. ========= Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077 xm

Re: challenges through Java modules (aka jigsaw)

2015-11-29 Thread Russel Winder
d in pull requests to get things fixed – we will be maintaining 1.3 for a while as GPars 2.0 is not ready for release and there are still recalcitrants using JDK1.x where x < 8.  -- Russel. ========= Dr Russel Winder

Re: challenges through Java modules (aka jigsaw)

2015-11-27 Thread Russel Winder
l that works. I suspect 4 people in a days work could fix almost all of it, but will such a hackathon happen at Groovy and Grails eXchange 2015?   -- Russel. = Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buck

Re: challenges through Java modules (aka jigsaw)

2015-11-27 Thread Russel Winder
s. -- Russel. ========= Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: rus...@winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype:

Re: challenges through Java modules (aka jigsaw)

2015-11-27 Thread Russel Winder
s still not working at > noon, so we decide to convert it to Gradle ... […] My disbelief level has shot up, how can a bunch of clever people fail to easily convert Python 2 code to Python 3 code? -- Russel. ========= Dr Ru

Re: challenges through Java modules (aka jigsaw)

2015-11-27 Thread Russel Winder
fornian crack consuming marketeer who came up with the idea to try and create a new branding. That person needs putting down so as to save humanity from crimes against language. -- Russel. ===== Dr Russel Winder t: +44

Re: It's after 2015-11-18

2015-11-19 Thread Russel Winder
oir, and other liquids containing bubbles. slàinte > On November 19, 2015 12:43:12 AM PST, Russel Winder > wrote: > > Are we a TLP yet, are we a TLP yet,… -- Russel. ========= Dr Russel Winder t: +44

It's after 2015-11-18

2015-11-19 Thread Russel Winder
Are we a TLP yet, are we a TLP yet,… -- Russel. = Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: rus...@winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK

Groovy build on JDK9

2015-11-16 Thread Russel Winder
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Re: Adding map, reduce, filter as aliases for collect, inject, grep methods

2015-11-02 Thread Russel Winder
the wrong one :-( -- Russel. ========= Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: rus...@winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winder signature.asc De

Groovy Apache Groovy

2015-11-01 Thread Russel Winder
. = Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: rus...@winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winder signature.asc Description: This is a

Re: Adding map, reduce, filter as aliases for collect, inject, grep methods

2015-11-01 Thread Russel Winder
hose who oppose. To date the opposers have won out, usually on the grounds of "why change?" and "breaks backward compatibility". You will note that GPars supports both names :-) -- Russel. ========= Dr R

Re: PR and workflow [was [ANN] New committer: Shil Sinha]

2015-10-25 Thread Russel Winder
inline since it is where the work happens, but it is not part of the definition of the state until it is reflected in the Apache repository. There is no doubt here, just a change in workflow that allows GitHub pull request management to be used to its full. -- Russel. ===

Re: PR and workflow [was [ANN] New committer: Shil Sinha]

2015-10-25 Thread Russel Winder
the community is now used to and is willing to use. -- Russel. ========= Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: rus...@winder.org.uk London

Re: PR and workflow [was [ANN] New committer: Shil Sinha]

2015-10-23 Thread Russel Winder
On Fri, 2015-10-23 at 09:13 +0200, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 7:18 AM, Russel Winder > wrote: > > ...Whatever it is, we must fix it, even if we have to > > subvert the current official "Apache Way" workflow > >

Re: PR and workflow [was [ANN] New committer: Shil Sinha]

2015-10-22 Thread Russel Winder
that unpaid volunteers can actually achieve progress on the project, but nonetheless ends up with the Apache repository as mainline, is far, far, far more important than adherence to some particular quasi-political philosophy.    -- Russel. ====

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Groovy from the incubator

2015-10-22 Thread Russel Winder
+1 Is there any other sensible option ;-) -- Russel. = Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: rus...@winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN

Re: [ANN] New committer: Shil Sinha

2015-10-22 Thread Russel Winder
e equal than others".  -- Russel. ========= Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: rus...@winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winder signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: GROOVY-7635: We should consider upgrading log4j2Version on master to 2.4.1

2015-10-19 Thread Russel Winder
Russel. ===== Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: rus...@winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winder signatu

Re: GROOVY-7635: We should consider upgrading log4j2Version on master to 2.4.1

2015-10-19 Thread Russel Winder
g Java 6? -- Russel. ===== Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: rus...@winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk

Re: [mentors] experimental graduation maturity assessment in view of graduating Groovy

2015-10-18 Thread Russel Winder
registered anywhere as far as I know, will have de facto trademark status for having been used unchallenged for many years. To change the logo to somehow incorporate Apache explicitly will be non-trivial. -- Russel. =========

Re: [mentors] experimental graduation maturity assessment in view of graduating Groovy

2015-10-18 Thread Russel Winder
gs were ASL 2.0 and Doug's stuff is all public domain – well except that you can't have public domain in some jurisdictions I understand.   -- Russel. ===== Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:rus

Re: Report for October

2015-10-04 Thread Russel Winder
ne of the rest of us have had to think about it. -- Russel. ===== Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: rus...@winder.o

Re: [DISCUSSION] What about moving out teh Incubator ?

2015-09-29 Thread Russel Winder
on. -- Russel. ===== Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: rus...@winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winder signature.asc Description: This is a d

Re: [DISCUSSION] What about moving out teh Incubator ?

2015-09-28 Thread Russel Winder
On Mon, 2015-09-28 at 16:50 +0200, Cédric Champeau wrote: > We already have "non code committing" committers. Russel Winder and > Dierk > Koenig are examples. They can be seen as gate keepers of the Groovy > community, and they accepted to become committers even though they

Re: MacroGroovy

2015-09-28 Thread Russel Winder
iscover we have to have a vote or something. -- Russel. ===== Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: rus...@winder.org.uk London S

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Groovy 2.4.5-incubating

2015-09-19 Thread Russel Winder
I am at PyConUK 2015 just now so will not be able to check the artefacts within the vote window. Sorry. Russel. = Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44

Re: Groovy and JDK9 [was Re: Failing Groovysh Test with JDK 9 SNAPSHOT on Buildserver]

2015-09-12 Thread Russel Winder
Cédric, Does Groovy build with Gradle on the JDK9 snapshots? -- Russel. = Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: rus

Re: Tests failing on Windows

2015-07-31 Thread Russel Winder
ou on board. -- Russel. ========= Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: rus...@winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.

Re: JDK9 build failures on the build server

2015-07-24 Thread Russel Winder
e JDK8. -- Russel. ========= Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: rus...@winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk s

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Apache Groovy 2.4.4-incubating

2015-07-13 Thread Russel Winder
Cédric, Apologies for appearing to be absent, I didn't get chance to try out the release artefacts, so didn't feel it appropriate to vote. -- Russel. ===== Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:

Re: RAT integration

2015-07-02 Thread Russel Winder
ine. I am working away from home and staying in a hotel where Peppa Pig is the most important icon. I need comedy to survive. -- Russel. ========= Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buc

Re: RAT integration

2015-06-30 Thread Russel Winder
(if there is an easy way to do this)? > > Cheers, > Pascal -- Russel. ===== Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp:

Re: RAT integration

2015-06-30 Thread Russel Winder
s)? > > Cheers, > Pascal -- Russel. ===== Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: rus...@winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_

Re: [VOTE] Relicense Groovy documentation under ALv2

2015-06-26 Thread Russel Winder
+1 > Here is my vote: > > +1 (binding) Someone will have to tell me what the difference is between: +1 and +1 (binding) Clearly I have failed to read some Apache document somewhere. -- Russel. = Dr Russ

Groovy and Xstream

2015-06-06 Thread Russel Winder
Building GroovyFX with Groovy 2.5.0-SNAPSHOT I get a problem with: com/thoughtworks/xstream/io/HierarchicalStreamDriver Is this maybe just a bad Groovy build on my part? -- Russel. = Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20

Re: In shape for a 2.4.4 release?

2015-06-06 Thread Russel Winder
hat we have to put horrible classifiers on the artefacts because of the project state within Apache Foundation. -- Russel. ========= Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmast

Re: TestNG Update

2015-05-19 Thread Russel Winder
Russel. = Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: rus...@winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winder signa

TestNG Update

2015-05-19 Thread Russel Winder
Can someone add an update of TestNG from 6.8.13 to 6.9.4 as an addendum to a near term commit? -- Russel. = Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770

Re: Groovy build failing

2015-05-15 Thread Russel Winder
Russel. = Dr Russel Winder t:+44 20 7585 2200 voip:sip: russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Road m:+44 7770 465 077 xmpp:rus...@winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype:russel_winder signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Groovy build failing

2015-05-15 Thread Russel Winder
z/repo/biz/aQute/bnd/0.0.401/bnd-0.0.401.jar'. > Could not HEAD ' http://www.aQute.biz/repo/biz/aQute/bnd/0.0.401/bnd-0.0.401.jar'. > The target server failed to respond -- Russel. =====

Re: New Workflow…

2015-04-27 Thread Russel Winder
and dispersed as the Groovy community, most of whom are not actually known to the central committee. -- Russel. ========= Dr Russel Winder t:+44 20 7585 2200 voip:sip: russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Road m

Re: New Workflow…

2015-04-27 Thread Russel Winder
projects things are different. […] -- Russel. ===== Dr Russel Winder t:+44 20 7585 2200 voip:sip: russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Road m:+44 7770 465 077 xmpp:rus...@winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype:russel_winder s

Re: New Workflow…

2015-04-27 Thread Russel Winder
the legal process. (At least in the UK, I have no experience of the USA jurisdictions.) Details may either be important or totally irrelevant, it all depends on the case, the context and the barristers. -- Russel. = Dr Russel Win

Re: New Workflow…

2015-04-26 Thread Russel Winder
ctivity at ASF that is obtainable via Git per se. My worry is that this is formally vacuous as real data for traceability, but that it satisfies some abstract legal need that is not actually being met but appears to be. -- Russel. =====

Re: I would like to commit to the Groovy Project

2015-04-26 Thread Russel Winder
ntial contribution on the developer list first to get feedback. As Paul says, pick a "low hanging fruit" bug report, and investigate it as a starting point. -- Russel. ===== Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7

Re: New Workflow…

2015-04-20 Thread Russel Winder
e problem is not DVCS, the problem is that ASF workflows still seem to be based on the assumption of Subversion usage. The question here is why mirroring from GitHub is not acceptable to the ASF lawyers. I shall pick this up in another sub-thread where the issue is directly appropriate. -- Russel. ===

Re: New Workflow…

2015-04-19 Thread Russel Winder
great effect: GitHub is just a vehicle for getting clones of the Google held mainline to the people who want to work with it. -- Russel. ========= Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41

Re: New Workflow…

2015-04-19 Thread Russel Winder
the Apache mainline is the official definition of the project. -- Russel. ========= Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: rus...@winder

Re: New Workflow…

2015-04-18 Thread Russel Winder
On Sat, 2015-04-18 at 22:36 +0530, Balachandran Sivakumar wrote: > Hi, > On 18 Apr 2015 9:45 pm, Russel Winder wrote: > > > > Apparently git://git.apache.org/incubator-groovy.git is the > > mainline > > but what is the workflow given it is not GitHub or GitLa

Re: New Workflow…

2015-04-18 Thread Russel Winder
Apache mentors told us what our new non-GitHub workflow is? -- Russel. ===== Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: rus...@winder.org.uk

New Workflow…

2015-04-18 Thread Russel Winder
So is the new workflow that we work on GitHub and use GitHub pull requests with the official Apache mainline just a mirror of GitHub mainline? -- Russel. = Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win

Re: GGTS/ Eclipse support for the groovy ecosystem

2015-04-13 Thread Russel Winder
those that make a profit by using it. Enlightened self-interest and all that. -- Russel. ========= Dr Russel Winder t:+44 20 7585 2200 voip:sip: russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Road m:+44 7770 465 077 xmpp:rus...@

Re: Re: GGTS/ Eclipse support for the groovy ecosystem

2015-04-13 Thread Russel Winder
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Re: Re: GGTS/ Eclipse support for the groovy ecosystem

2015-04-12 Thread Russel Winder
urcing the maintenance of the plugin. -- Russel. ========= Dr Russel Winder t:+44 20 7585 2200 voip:sip: russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Road m:+44 7770 465 077 xmpp:rus...@winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: w

Re: GGTS/ Eclipse support for the groovy ecosystem

2015-04-07 Thread Russel Winder
e option to use the Eclipse compiler. > Sounds like > a bad timing, because they added the option just when there's nobody > left > to maintain the plugin... Time to deprecate the option? -- Russel. =========

Re: GGTS/ Eclipse support for the groovy ecosystem

2015-04-07 Thread Russel Winder
Eclipse. cf. http://discuss.gradle.org/t/gradle-plugin-for-eclipse/8670 and https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/tools.buildship -- Russel. ========= Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmas

Re: GGTS/ Eclipse support for the groovy ecosystem

2015-04-06 Thread Russel Winder
y became an Apache one. -- Russel. ========= Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: rus...@winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winder signature.asc Description:

ASCII Art

2015-04-03 Thread Russel Winder
Some has to tell me what the ASCII art above the "Indy enables" message is supposed to represent. -- Russel. ===== Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Road