Re: httpd and utils should use static libraries

2002-01-30 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Jeff Trawick wrote: Ken's talking binbuild... For what we distribute, certainly. But I think static libraries should also be our default. Otherwise someone who builds from scratch is going to run into the same astonishment when it tries to copies home-built files around. It'll look like it

Re: dist/httpd/apache_1.3.22.tar.gz is redirected to 1.3.23

2002-01-30 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Jim Jagielski wrote: 2. Why aren't the 1.3.22 tarballs available somewhere in the dist tree? Jim? Should they be? If any place, they should be in a subdir, and not in the main dist level, IMO. They sure should be. For example, right now people have nothing to download to put

Re: cvs commit: httpd-2.0/server protocol.c

2002-01-30 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 09:34:20PM -0500, Jeff Trawick wrote: protocol.c: In function `ap_rgetline': protocol.c:424: warning: assignment of read-only variable `c' previously: const char c; Well, it didn't give a warning on Linux with gcc. We all know how good a compiler *that* is. But,

Re: httpd and utils should use static libraries

2002-01-30 Thread Aaron Bannert
On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 09:00:06PM -0500, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: httpd, htpasswd, htdigest, and the other main applications need to be built with static libraries. In other words, they must not be linked against libapr.so and friends. Why? Because otherwise we make life difficult

Re: httpd and utils should use static libraries

2002-01-30 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 07:43:36AM -0800, Aaron Bannert wrote: I've already added this for our various support binaries: --enable-static-htpasswd ... I see no reason why we couldn't do the same for httpd. I agree that it may make life easier for binbuild users, but I'm totally against

Re: cvs commit: httpd-2.0/server scoreboard.c

2002-01-30 Thread Aaron Bannert
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:18:51PM -0600, William Rowe wrote: From: Aaron Bannert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:09 PM I had thought that on platforms that supported it, we would prefer the anonymous shared memory (as we were using before) to a name-based

Re: httpd and utils should use static libraries

2002-01-30 Thread Greg Ames
Aaron Bannert wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 09:00:06PM -0500, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: httpd, htpasswd, htdigest, and the other main applications need to be built with static libraries. In other words, they must not be linked against libapr.so and friends. Why? Because

Re: cvs commit: httpd-2.0/server/mpm/worker worker.c

2002-01-30 Thread Brian Pane
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: trawick 02/01/30 03:56:26 Modified:server/mpm/worker worker.c Log: get rid of a bunch of warnings about unused variables Thanks for catching that. I really need to start adding -Wall to all my makefiles --Brian

Parent death should force children suttee

2002-01-30 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
From something that happened a couple of days ago on Daedalus.. The parent died, but the children hung around. That shouldn't happen, and is a showstopper (but I'm not listing it as one yet in case I'm missing something). If the parent dies, shouldn't the children get the equivalent of SIGPIPE

Re: httpd and utils should use static libraries

2002-01-30 Thread Aaron Bannert
On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 11:30:23AM -0500, Greg Ames wrote: I see no reason why we couldn't do the same for httpd. I agree that it may make life easier for binbuild users, that would be most excellent but I'm totally against doing this

Re: [PATCH] improve mod_cgid robustness

2002-01-30 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Bill Stoddard wrote: In addition to the cgid daemon pool, I also believe we need Jeff's retry logic. The combination should provide good performance and robustness. And if we exhaust the retries, throw a 503 rather than a 500. -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini

Re: httpd and utils should use static libraries

2002-01-30 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Aaron Bannert wrote: I've already added this for our various support binaries: --enable-static-htpasswd Having to explicitly specify this to make it happen is not on; it needs to be the default. Having to specify for each individual util is also bogus; there should be a switch, defaulting

Re: cvs commit: httpd-2.0/modules/experimental mod_cache.c

2002-01-30 Thread Jeff Trawick
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ianh02/01/30 10:05:26 Modified:modules/experimental mod_cache.c Log: out damn warnings out Index: mod_cache.c === RCS file:

Re: cvs commit: httpd-2.0/modules/experimental mod_cache.c

2002-01-30 Thread Ian Holsman
Jeff Trawick wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ianh02/01/30 10:05:26 Modified:modules/experimental mod_cache.c Log: out damn warnings out Index: mod_cache.c === RCS file:

Re: Parent death should force children suttee

2002-01-30 Thread Bill Stoddard
From something that happened a couple of days ago on Daedalus.. The parent died, but the children hung around. That shouldn't happen, and is a showstopper (but I'm not listing it as one yet in case I'm missing something). Yea I agree this is a showstopper... If the parent dies, shouldn't

Re: apidoc/ - API-dict.html (apache-devsite) (fwd)

2002-01-30 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
They are in httpd-docs-1.3/apidoc/. So looks like apache-devsite needs a trival link fix apache-devsite is dead. I've done the right things to get the API dictionary back online, at URL:http://httpd.apache.org/dev/apidoc/. Thanks for pointing it out.. -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar,

Re: httpd and utils should use static libraries

2002-01-30 Thread Greg Ames
Aaron Bannert wrote: I tried sticking --disable-shared for apr and apr-util in httpd's configure.in. That doesn't work any more if you try to build the modules shared. I think all you have to do is pass -static to the libtool link command for httpd. I'll be able to fool around with this

Re: Parent death should force children suttee

2002-01-30 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Bill Stoddard wrote: If the parent dies, shouldn't the children get the equivalent of SIGPIPE on the pod? However they find out, they should react appropriately -- i.e., by committing suicide with extreme prejudice. -1 in concept. We should not take the child processes down if the

Re: httpd and utils should use static libraries

2002-01-30 Thread Aaron Bannert
On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 12:00:23PM -0500, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Aaron Bannert wrote: I've already added this for our various support binaries: --enable-static-htpasswd Having to explicitly specify this to make it happen is not on; it needs to be the default. Having to specify

Re: Parent death should force children suttee

2002-01-30 Thread Bill Stoddard
Bill Stoddard wrote: If the parent dies, shouldn't the children get the equivalent of SIGPIPE on the pod? However they find out, they should react appropriately -- i.e., by committing suicide with extreme prejudice. -1 in concept. We should not take the child processes down if

Re: OSX libtool relinking

2002-01-30 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
From: Justin Erenkrantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 1:29 PM On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 01:20:49PM -0600, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: This is especially true on my OSX box - after make install, the DYLD path info is not updated, so all binaries are broken. apachectl at

Re: httpd and utils should use static libraries

2002-01-30 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 01:20:49PM -0600, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Certainly would agree there. httpd has dozens of modules loading anyways, and benefits greatly from the apachectl configuration of the DYLD path, etc. Even linking httpd static causes headaches for dynamic modules, when

Re: Parent death should force children suttee

2002-01-30 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Bill Stoddard wrote: Would you rather your entire website get whacked and go off line when this happens, or would you rather be able to set StartServers to an appropriately high number and set MaxRequestPerChild to 0 to enable your site to stay up? I would rather have our free no-support

Re: Parent death should force children suttee

2002-01-30 Thread Bill Stoddard
Bill Stoddard wrote: Would you rather your entire website get whacked and go off line when this happens, or would you rather be able to set StartServers to an appropriately high number and set MaxRequestPerChild to 0 to enable your site to stay up? I would rather have our free

Re: httpd and utils should use static libraries

2002-01-30 Thread Jeff Trawick
Aaron Bannert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 12:00:23PM -0500, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Aaron Bannert wrote: I've already added this for our various support binaries: --enable-static-htpasswd Having to explicitly specify this to make it happen is not on;

Re: Parent death should force children suttee

2002-01-30 Thread Marc Slemko
On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Bill Stoddard wrote: Not so. If you know your site has this problem and you can't fix it for whatever reason, you can preemptively set MaxRequestsPerChild to 0 or some suitably high number to give the admin time to notice the problem when it occurs. It is wrong to whack

Re: Parent death should force children suttee

2002-01-30 Thread Jacek Prucia
On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:13:52 -0500 Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I think I disagree; what you're describing is, essentially, relying on good luck, hoping for the best, and ignoring the problem and hoping it will go away. IIRC, what Greg observed was the children

Re: cvs commit: httpd-2.0/server protocol.c

2002-01-30 Thread David Ford
I don't know what version of gcc you are using, but gcc 2.95.3 and gcc 3.0.3 give me a warning. gcc has always issued that warning for me as long as I can remember. David Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 09:34:20PM -0500, Jeff Trawick wrote: protocol.c: In function

Re: Parent death should force children suttee

2002-01-30 Thread David Ford
Any important site that relies on uptime -should- have some thought already put into it. If something fails, some procedure immediately takes steps to fix it, i.e. a watchdog that restarts apache. If you don't have something like this in place and you are relying so heavily on uptime, you

Re: Parent death should force children suttee

2002-01-30 Thread Bill Stoddard
On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Bill Stoddard wrote: Not so. If you know your site has this problem and you can't fix it for whatever reason, you can preemptively set MaxRequestsPerChild to 0 or some suitably high number to give the admin time to notice the problem when it occurs. It is wrong to

Re: Parent death should force children suttee

2002-01-30 Thread Bill Stoddard
Any important site that relies on uptime -should- have some thought already put into it. If something fails, some procedure immediately takes steps to fix it, i.e. a watchdog that restarts apache. Yep. If you don't have something like this in place and you are relying so heavily on

pre-compiled binaries of apache for NextStep or OpenStep

2002-01-30 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Not acked. Is this a PMC decision? -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ Millenium hand and shrimp! ---BeginMessage--- I noticed you no longer have pre-compiled binaries of Apache for NextStep

Re: Parent death should force children suttee

2002-01-30 Thread David Ford
I don't know about other sites, but the servers I manage tend to start showing oddness rather quickly when something goes wrong. I would rather have a clean and quick restart than have a degradation in service. With that said, I don't know of many people who would rely on this feature. As

Re: pre-compiled binaries of apache for NextStep or OpenStep

2002-01-30 Thread Jim Jagielski
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Not acked. Is this a PMC decision? I'm guessing, but it's pretty much a given that accepting 3rd party binaries (ie: from non-PMC members) is not optimal. -- === Jim Jagielski [|]

Re: Parent death should force children suttee

2002-01-30 Thread Jim Jagielski
When the parent dies, it's bad. No doubt. You might be able to muddle through, but it's a scenario where you're just waiting for badness to happen. Unfortunately, I can't think of a very good solution... Some sort of extra parent process watchdog process would allow us to note the parent

Re: httpd and utils should use static libraries

2002-01-30 Thread Greg Ames
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 01:20:49PM -0600, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Certainly would agree there. httpd has dozens of modules loading anyways, and benefits greatly from the apachectl configuration of the DYLD path, etc. Even linking httpd static causes

Re: A question for the protocol gurus...

2002-01-30 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 09:25:24PM -0500, Chuck Murcko wrote: So as Graham said proxy should reply 501 or 505 right? It doesn't matter -- HTTP/0.9 responses don't have error codes. You just have to return an HTML page that tells the user to get out of their rocking chair and upgrade the client

Re: cvs commit: httpd-2.0/server scoreboard.c

2002-01-30 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
From: Aaron Bannert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 10:08 AM On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:18:51PM -0600, William Rowe wrote: Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:09 PM I had thought that on platforms that supported it, we would prefer the anonymous shared memory (as

[STATUS] (apache-1.3) Wed Jan 30 23:45:03 EST 2002

2002-01-30 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE 1.3 STATUS: -*-text-*- Last modified at [$Date: 2002/01/21 19:34:31 $] Release: 1.3.23: Tagged Jan 21, 2002. 1.3.22: Tagged Oct 8, 2001. Announced Oct 12, 2001. 1.3.21: Not released. (Pulled for htdocs/manual config

[STATUS] (httpd-2.0) Wed Jan 30 23:45:07 EST 2002

2002-01-30 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE 2.0 STATUS: -*-text-*- Last modified at [$Date: 2002/01/30 16:53:44 $] Release: 2.0.31 : In development 2.0.30 : tagged January 8, 2002. not rolled. 2.0.29 : tagged November 27, 2001. not rolled. 2.0.28 : released

31 is tagged

2002-01-30 Thread Ian Holsman
I've tagged 31. the plan is to roll within 48 hours if nothing major breaks (which can't be fixed in the tag) so.. please try it out on your machines and yell if something breaks if all goes well we'll have another beta on our hands ..Ian, Aaron, Justin

interesting result (because of new walk algorithm?)

2002-01-30 Thread Greg Stein
GET //__not HTTP/1.1 host: roshi.collab.net:8080 depth: 1 HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 05:38:51 GMT Server: Apache/2.0.31-dev (Unix) DAV/2 SVN/0.8.0 Vary: accept-language Accept-Ranges: bytes Content-Length: 810 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 ... Apache 1.3 would

Virtual directory for remote machine

2002-01-30 Thread Valentina Rozov
Title: Virtual directory for remote machine Hi, How can I create a virtual directory (alias) in apache, mapped to a physical directory on another machine in the local net, as I can map in IIS, for example: \\172.xx.xx.xx\d$\temp. In IIS defining of such a directory requires filling of

PHP42/Zend update needed for Apache 2.0.31

2002-01-30 Thread David Ford
Apache 2.0.31 got tagged this evening, the php/zend code has been out of sync with it for a bit now. Would anyone mind chit chatting and getting the appropriate code updated? :) I'd like to help, but I'm rather new to the code. If I'm speaking to the wrong people, please let me know.