RE: cvs commit: httpd-2.0 STATUS ROADMAP

2002-11-23 Thread Bill Stoddard
> I think that R-T-C is the most likely way we'll get good reviews of > code moved to the stable tree. Jeff is speaking from his experience with 2.0 development and I would have to agree with him in this regard. However, I think it is possible to maintain CTR and ask committers to be more conserva

RE: cvs commit: httpd-2.0 STATUS ROADMAP

2002-11-23 Thread Bill Stoddard
> On Sat, 2002-11-23 at 12:19, Cliff Woolley wrote: > > On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, Aaron Bannert wrote: > > > > > > +* The 'modules/experimental' tree will evaporate soon. Anything > > > > + in the development branch should be located under it's eventual > > > > + home (such as modul

RE: cvs commit: httpd-2.0 STATUS ROADMAP

2002-11-23 Thread Bill Stoddard
> On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, Aaron Bannert wrote: > > > Huh? No way. We're all adults here. If someone commits something > > that you are uncomfortable with, bring it up on the list. There's > > no reason for any ASF project to be R-T-C, IMHO. Our voting > > rules are sufficient enough to protect again

RE: cvs commit: httpd-2.0 STATUS ROADMAP

2002-11-23 Thread Bill Stoddard
> At 01:25 PM 11/23/2002, Aaron Bannert wrote: > > >On Saturday, November 23, 2002, at 11:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> CURRENT RELEASE NOTES: > >> > >> +* This branch is operating under R-T-C guidelines. > > > >Huh? No way. We're all adults here. If someone commits something > >that

request for comments: multiple-connections-per-thread MPM design

2002-11-23 Thread Brian Pane
Here's an outline of my latest thinking on how to build a multiple-connections-per-thread MPM for Apache 2.2. I'm eager to hear feedback from others who have been researching this topic. Thanks, Brian Overview The design described here is a hybrid sync/async architecture: * Do the slo

Re: Review then Commit discussion

2002-11-23 Thread Aaron Bannert
On Saturday, November 23, 2002, at 03:33 PM, Henning Brauer wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 02:19:35PM -0800, Aaron Bannert wrote: What will R-T-C give us that we don't already have right now? code quality... really, this isn't meant as flame. There's enough room for code quality increase, a

Re: karma and cvs commit messages

2002-11-23 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 05:32 PM 11/23/2002, Roy T. Fielding wrote: >>Since we renamed the repository to httpd from httpd-2.0 (there is >>a symlink for now), the CVSROOT/avail file doesn't match >>the repository name, and therefore I can't commit. Can we >>fix that so I can commit to the new "httpd" repository directly

Re: Review then Commit discussion

2002-11-23 Thread Jeff Trawick
Aaron Bannert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Saturday, November 23, 2002, at 02:08 PM, Henning Brauer wrote: > > > On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 03:44:48PM -0600, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > >> FWIW I agree with Jeff here. I retracted the statement since JimJ, > >> Cliff and Aaron all seem to wan

Re: Review then Commit discussion

2002-11-23 Thread Henning Brauer
On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 02:19:35PM -0800, Aaron Bannert wrote: > What will R-T-C give us that we don't already have right now? code quality... really, this isn't meant as flame. There's enough room for code quality increase, and with C-T-R you will not get it. the analogy for our stable maintain

Re: karma and cvs commit messages

2002-11-23 Thread Roy T. Fielding
Since we renamed the repository to httpd from httpd-2.0 (there is a symlink for now), the CVSROOT/avail file doesn't match the repository name, and therefore I can't commit. Can we fix that so I can commit to the new "httpd" repository directly? Why the heck was that done? Too many things get sc

Re: karma and cvs commit messages

2002-11-23 Thread Aaron Bannert
On Saturday, November 23, 2002, at 02:35 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Also, we need to get commit messages to show which branch the commit went against. It does... by default (no branch) the commit is against cvs HEAD (the development branch.) The commit message alerts you when the commit

Re: karma and cvs commit messages

2002-11-23 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 04:14 PM 11/23/2002, Aaron Bannert wrote: >Since we renamed the repository to httpd from httpd-2.0 (there is >a symlink for now), the CVSROOT/avail file doesn't match >the repository name, and therefore I can't commit. Can we >fix that so I can commit to the new "httpd" repository directly? Sou

Re: Review then Commit discussion

2002-11-23 Thread Aaron Bannert
On Saturday, November 23, 2002, at 02:08 PM, Henning Brauer wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 03:44:48PM -0600, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: FWIW I agree with Jeff here. I retracted the statement since JimJ, Cliff and Aaron all seem to want to err on the side of C-T-R. So count this R-T-C: Je

karma and cvs commit messages

2002-11-23 Thread Aaron Bannert
Since we renamed the repository to httpd from httpd-2.0 (there is a symlink for now), the CVSROOT/avail file doesn't match the repository name, and therefore I can't commit. Can we fix that so I can commit to the new "httpd" repository directly? Also, we need to get commit messages to show which b

Re: Review then Commit discussion

2002-11-23 Thread Henning Brauer
On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 03:44:48PM -0600, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > FWIW I agree with Jeff here. I retracted the statement since JimJ, > Cliff and Aaron all seem to want to err on the side of C-T-R. > > So count this > > R-T-C: Jeff, Will > C-T-R: JimJ, Cliff, Aaron > > More voices a

Re: cvs commit: httpd-2.0 STATUS ROADMAP

2002-11-23 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 02:44 PM 11/23/2002, Brian Pane wrote: >On Sat, 2002-11-23 at 12:19, Cliff Woolley wrote: >> On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, Aaron Bannert wrote: > > >> > > +* The 'modules/experimental' tree will evaporate soon. Anything >> > > + in the development branch should be located under it's eventua

Review then Commit discussion

2002-11-23 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 03:01 PM 11/23/2002, Jeff Trawick wrote: >"William A. Rowe, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> At 01:25 PM 11/23/2002, Aaron Bannert wrote: >> >> >On Saturday, November 23, 2002, at 11:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> CURRENT RELEASE NOTES: >> >> >> >> +* This branch is operatin

Re: cvs commit: httpd-2.0 STATUS ROADMAP

2002-11-23 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 02:43 PM 11/23/2002, Jim Jagielski wrote: >My own POV is that a R-T-C on 2.0 will almost ensure a very slow >development environ on that effort. We haven't felt the need >to do so with 1.3, so, unless the idea is that: (1) no one will >be looking at 2.0 compared to 2.1 and therefore c-t-r is a n

Re: cvs commit: httpd-2.0 STATUS ROADMAP

2002-11-23 Thread Jeff Trawick
"William A. Rowe, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > At 01:25 PM 11/23/2002, Aaron Bannert wrote: > > >On Saturday, November 23, 2002, at 11:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> CURRENT RELEASE NOTES: > >> > >> +* This branch is operating under R-T-C guidelines. > > > >Huh? No way. We're

Re: cvs commit: httpd-2.0 STATUS ROADMAP

2002-11-23 Thread Jim Jagielski
Brian Pane wrote: > > I agree: we should keep the experimental modules. > +1 -- === Jim Jagielski [|] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [|] http://www.jaguNET.com/ "A society that will trade a little liberty for a little

Re: cvs commit: httpd-2.0 STATUS ROADMAP

2002-11-23 Thread Jim Jagielski
Aaron Bannert wrote: > > Let's discuss this a little more, I'm curious what others think. Is > there really a problem now with people committing things that shouldn't > be committed? Take the 1.3 branch for example. > > Lets put this another way. Why would we want to stop anyone from > volunteer

Re: cvs commit: httpd-2.0 STATUS ROADMAP

2002-11-23 Thread Brian Pane
On Sat, 2002-11-23 at 12:19, Cliff Woolley wrote: > On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, Aaron Bannert wrote: > > > +* The 'modules/experimental' tree will evaporate soon. Anything > > > + in the development branch should be located under it's eventual > > > + home (such as modules/cache/.)

Re: cvs commit: httpd-2.0 STATUS ROADMAP

2002-11-23 Thread Jim Jagielski
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >CURRENT RELEASE NOTES: > > +* This branch is operating under R-T-C guidelines. > + Is that really required? Certainly we haven't needed that (in 1.3 or 2.0) for *quite* a long time. Or is it because it's expected that no one will be looking at the

Re: cvs commit: httpd-2.0 STATUS ROADMAP

2002-11-23 Thread Cliff Woolley
On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, Aaron Bannert wrote: > Huh? No way. We're all adults here. If someone commits something > that you are uncomfortable with, bring it up on the list. There's > no reason for any ASF project to be R-T-C, IMHO. Our voting > rules are sufficient enough to protect against bogus comm

Re: cvs commit: httpd-2.0 STATUS ROADMAP

2002-11-23 Thread Aaron Bannert
On Saturday, November 23, 2002, at 11:51 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: At 01:25 PM 11/23/2002, Aaron Bannert wrote: On Saturday, November 23, 2002, at 11:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CURRENT RELEASE NOTES: +* This branch is operating under R-T-C guidelines. Huh? No way. We're

Re: cvs commit: httpd-2.0 STATUS

2002-11-23 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
I stole that from httpd/STATUS (removing it and adding it to docs/STATUS.) If it's already out of date, please knock it out of docs/STATUS :-) Bill At 01:38 PM 11/23/2002, you wrote: >* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> +- mod_file_cache: missing documentation > >huh? What are you missing ther

Re: cvs commit: httpd-2.0 STATUS

2002-11-23 Thread André Malo
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > +- mod_file_cache: missing documentation huh? What are you missing there? nd -- Da fällt mir ein, wieso gibt es eigentlich in Unicode kein "i" mit einem Herzchen als Tüpfelchen? Das wär sooo süüss! -- Björn Höhrmann in darw

Re: cvs commit: httpd-2.0 STATUS ROADMAP

2002-11-23 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 01:25 PM 11/23/2002, Aaron Bannert wrote: >On Saturday, November 23, 2002, at 11:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> CURRENT RELEASE NOTES: >> >> +* This branch is operating under R-T-C guidelines. > >Huh? No way. We're all adults here. If someone commits something >that you are uncomfor

Re: cvs commit: httpd-site/docs/dev anoncvs.txt devnotes.html how-to-release.html

2002-11-23 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 01:31 PM 11/23/2002, Aaron Bannert wrote: >Didn't we rename this repository from httpd-2.0 to httpd? I see a symlink >on icarus from httpd-2.0 --> httpd so both work the same, so we might >want to start encouraging use of the new "real" repo name. Agreed... I'll go back over it all.

Fallout, 2_0_BRANCH/2.1

2002-11-23 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
First question is viewcvs; Greg, is it possible for viewcvs to have an implicit -r APACHE_2_0_BRANCH with a uri such as; http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/httpd-2.0/STATUS and an alias to httpd-2.1 on HEAD? Second question is snapshots... who's our snapshot guru? Can we start culling true 2.0 sna

Re: cvs commit: httpd-site/docs/dev anoncvs.txt devnotes.html how-to-release.html

2002-11-23 Thread Aaron Bannert
Didn't we rename this repository from httpd-2.0 to httpd? I see a symlink on icarus from httpd-2.0 --> httpd so both work the same, so we might want to start encouraging use of the new "real" repo name. -aaron On Saturday, November 23, 2002, at 11:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wrowe 2

Re: cvs commit: httpd-2.0/include ap_release.h

2002-11-23 Thread Joshua Slive
On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > My train-of-thought is that if that the user's 2.0.43 conf still works, > we succeeded :-) +1 Joshua.

Re: cvs commit: httpd-2.0 STATUS ROADMAP

2002-11-23 Thread Aaron Bannert
On Saturday, November 23, 2002, at 11:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CURRENT RELEASE NOTES: +* This branch is operating under R-T-C guidelines. Huh? No way. We're all adults here. If someone commits something that you are uncomfortable with, bring it up on the list. There's no reaso

Re: cvs commit: httpd-2.0/include ap_release.h

2002-11-23 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 12:23 PM 11/23/2002, Joshua Slive wrote: >On 23 Nov 2002, Jeff Trawick wrote: >> looking over diffs from APACHE_2_0_43 to APACHE_2_0_BRANCH: >> >> . auth changes: IIRC, smart people decided the auth changes aren't >> going to hurt anybody, so that's okay with me > >Fine, but can we PLEASE thi

Re: cvs commit: httpd-2.0/include ap_release.h

2002-11-23 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 08:11 AM 11/23/2002, Jeff Trawick wrote: >That sounds a lot like "decide which stuff now tagged >APACHE_2_0_BRANCH should be deferred until 2.1" :) (or at least >"deferred until after 2.0.44"). > >looking over diffs from APACHE_2_0_43 to APACHE_2_0_BRANCH: > >. auth changes: IIRC, smart people

Re: cvs commit: httpd-2.0/include ap_release.h

2002-11-23 Thread Joshua Slive
On 23 Nov 2002, Jeff Trawick wrote: > looking over diffs from APACHE_2_0_43 to APACHE_2_0_BRANCH: > > . auth changes: IIRC, smart people decided the auth changes aren't > going to hurt anybody, so that's okay with me Fine, but can we PLEASE think about the names a little more. As I've said, so

Re: cvs commit: httpd-2.0/include ap_release.h

2002-11-23 Thread Jeff Trawick
"William A. Rowe, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > At 06:50 AM 11/22/2002, Jeff Trawick wrote: > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > >> wrowe 2002/11/21 18:08:42 > >> > >> Modified:include ap_release.h > >> Log: > >> Branch tag APACHE_2_0_BRANCH now contains Apache 2.0 developme

Re: multiple protocols - Patch for listen.c

2002-11-23 Thread Jeff Trawick
Martin Kutschker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 10:58:04 -0600 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: Randall Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Patch for listen.c > > > b) TCP and SCTP are both congestion controlled protocols so > > there should be no threat to the stability o