Re: How to kill 1.3?

2007-10-04 Thread Martin Kraemer
On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 03:15:11PM -0400, Joshua Slive wrote: > In particular, I don't think our main > page or download page is currently clear enough about the status of > 1.3 development. I think we should say something like: > > "The Apache HTTP Server version 1.3 is not recommended and is not

Re: How to kill 1.3?

2007-10-03 Thread Paul Querna
Roy T. Fielding wrote: > I don't see why we care, either way. I don't care if committers continue to maintain 1.3 longer than any statement we make. A public statement is about setting expectations of our users. We all know that 1.3 is dead as a doornail at this point, but many of our users do n

Re: How to kill 1.3?

2007-10-03 Thread Graham Leggett
Joshua Slive wrote: We have better things to do. Let's do those things and stop worrying about other people's perceptions. I agree, with a caveat. I think that we are doing a disservice to our users if we don't communicate to them the attitude of the people on this mailing list towards 1.3. I

Re: How to kill 1.3?

2007-10-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Oct 3, 2007, at 3:15 PM, Joshua Slive wrote: On 10/3/07, Roy T. Fielding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't care what the uptake graph says. I don't care what people outside this project mailing list think, period, about this project. And if five years from now there are three or more Apa

Re: How to kill 1.3?

2007-10-03 Thread Joshua Slive
On 10/3/07, Roy T. Fielding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't care what the uptake graph says. I don't care what people > outside this project mailing list think, period, about this project. > And if five years from now there are three or more Apache committers > that want to release 1.3.x, th

Re: How to kill 1.3?

2007-10-03 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Oct 3, 2007, at 8:30 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote: I don't see why we care, either way. Could you clarify what we aren't caring about, since your answer was a bit ambiguous? (Abandon or not, message our users or not, etc) Why do we need to announce anything? Wh

Re: How to kill 1.3?

2007-10-03 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Roy T. Fielding wrote: > I don't see why we care, either way. Could you clarify what we aren't caring about, since your answer was a bit ambiguous? (Abandon or not, message our users or not, etc)

Re: How to kill 1.3?

2007-10-02 Thread Rich Bowen
Apart from the fact that you have it's several times when you mean its, +1 -- Rich Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: How to kill 1.3?

2007-10-02 Thread Roy T. Fielding
I don't see why we care, either way. Roy

Re: How to kill 1.3?

2007-10-02 Thread Jorge Schrauwen
very nice... do include the last paragraph :) On 10/2/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Paul Querna wrote: > > > > Starting in January 2008, only critical security issues will be fixed in > > Apache HTTP Server versions 1.3.x or 2.0.x. > > Actually that statement is too narro

How to kill 1.3?

2007-10-02 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Paul Querna wrote: > > Starting in January 2008, only critical security issues will be fixed in > Apache HTTP Server versions 1.3.x or 2.0.x. Actually that statement is too narrow; What if we publish a manifesto such as this? "Apache httpd 1.3 to be retired at it's 10th anniversary" The Apache