Re: Obsolete modules in 2.3

2009-11-18 Thread Rich Bowen
On Nov 17, 2009, at 21:49 , William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote: I personally find it useful to continue having support for features that were once used in the past, specifically to test things that once worked to see if they still work with the current version of Apache. Therefo

Re: Obsolete modules in 2.3

2009-11-17 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
Roy T. Fielding wrote: > I personally find it useful to continue having support for > features that were once used in the past, specifically to > test things that once worked to see if they still work > with the current version of Apache. Therefore, I do not > consider these modules to be obsolete

Re: Obsolete modules in 2.3

2009-11-17 Thread Roy T. Fielding
I personally find it useful to continue having support for features that were once used in the past, specifically to test things that once worked to see if they still work with the current version of Apache. Therefore, I do not consider these modules to be obsolete. Unless they are somehow broken

Re: Obsolete modules in 2.3

2009-11-17 Thread Guenter Knauf
Hi, Gregg L. Smith schrieb: > Lars Eilebrecht wrote: >> Or just use the 2.2 modules with 2.4. > > It was just my recent findings with 2.3.3-alpha that this will not work. > If the APR 1.4(?) that was in httpd-2.3.3-alpha-deps.tar.gz is anything > close to what will be shipped with 2.4 then no, thi

Re: Obsolete modules in 2.3

2009-11-17 Thread Gregg L. Smith
Lars Eilebrecht wrote: Or just use the 2.2 modules with 2.4. It was just my recent findings with 2.3.3-alpha that this will not work. If the APR 1.4(?) that was in httpd-2.3.3-alpha-deps.tar.gz is anything close to what will be shipped with 2.4 then no, this may not work. I had to rebuild all m

Re: Obsolete modules in 2.3

2009-11-15 Thread Lars Eilebrecht
Greg Stein wrote on 2009-11-11 23:33:35: > Bah. If they want them, then they should not upgrade their server. > Simple as that. Or just use the 2.2 modules with 2.4. There may still be some legacy sites using mod_imagemap or mod_cern_meta, but in my opinion there is absolutely no reason to conti

Re: Obsolete modules in 2.3

2009-11-13 Thread Sander Temme
On Nov 12, 2009, at 8:13 AM, Niklas Edmundsson wrote: So drop the confusing example module instead? Or has it been fixed lately? ;) mod_example is now mod_example_hooks and aims to implement a handler for every hook in the server. It should no longer have the threading issues previously

Re: Obsolete modules in 2.3

2009-11-13 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
Rich Bowen wrote: > > On Nov 12, 2009, at 19:09 , Nick Kew wrote: > >> Rich Bowen wrote: >> >>> Client-side image maps have been part of HTML for more than a decade. >> >> Irrelevant for geographic maps - unless you define a different >> "area" for every pixel! >> >> Clientside maps only work wit

Re: Obsolete modules in 2.3

2009-11-13 Thread Rich Bowen
On Nov 12, 2009, at 19:09 , Nick Kew wrote: Rich Bowen wrote: Client-side image maps have been part of HTML for more than a decade. Irrelevant for geographic maps - unless you define a different "area" for every pixel! Clientside maps only work with areas, which are generally associated wi

Re: Obsolete modules in 2.3

2009-11-12 Thread Nick Kew
Rich Bowen wrote: Client-side image maps have been part of HTML for more than a decade. Irrelevant for geographic maps - unless you define a different "area" for every pixel! Clientside maps only work with areas, which are generally associated with visual crap rather than anything functional

Re: Obsolete modules in 2.3

2009-11-12 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
Rich Bowen wrote: > > As for mod_cern_meta, if one insists on keeping it, perhaps rename it to > something less archaic, and perhaps merging it with mod_asis to produce > something actually useful. But, truly, finding people who have even > *heard* of the CERN web server is getting harder, and pro

Re: Obsolete modules in 2.3

2009-11-12 Thread Ken Dreyer
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Nick Kew wrote: > > OTOH, that used CERN HTTPD with CGI, not mod_imagemap. Wow, old school :) > Don't you have that kind of application any more? We definitely have a lot of interactive maps, but the processing you describe is usually handled by CGI or Java. Our

Re: Obsolete modules in 2.3

2009-11-12 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:27, Rich Bowen wrote: > > On Nov 12, 2009, at 11:12 , Nick Kew wrote: > >> Ken Dreyer wrote: >>> >>> (another user's perspective) >>> At my work (US. Geological Survey) we try to discourage webmasters >>> from using server-side imagemaps, since they are not Section 508 >

Re: Obsolete modules in 2.3

2009-11-12 Thread Rich Bowen
On Nov 12, 2009, at 11:12 , Nick Kew wrote: Ken Dreyer wrote: (another user's perspective) At my work (US. Geological Survey) we try to discourage webmasters from using server-side imagemaps, since they are not Section 508 compliant. We've had to keep the module to support some legacy sites, b

Re: Obsolete modules in 2.3

2009-11-12 Thread Niklas Edmundsson
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009, Eric Covener wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Rich Bowen wrote: As a non-scientific data point, I have never encountered anybody who knows what mod_imagemap does, in all the years that I've been doing Apache training. And in the 2.0-and-before days, when I would me

Re: Obsolete modules in 2.3

2009-11-12 Thread Nick Kew
Ken Dreyer wrote: (another user's perspective) At my work (US. Geological Survey) we try to discourage webmasters from using server-side imagemaps, since they are not Section 508 compliant. We've had to keep the module to support some legacy sites, but if 2.4 drops it, we can probably migrate an

Re: Obsolete modules in 2.3

2009-11-12 Thread Ken Dreyer
(another user's perspective) At my work (US. Geological Survey) we try to discourage webmasters from using server-side imagemaps, since they are not Section 508 compliant. We've had to keep the module to support some legacy sites, but if 2.4 drops it, we can probably migrate any remaining server-s

Re: Obsolete modules in 2.3

2009-11-12 Thread Eric Covener
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Rich Bowen wrote: > As a non-scientific data point, I have never encountered anybody who knows > what mod_imagemap does, in all the years that I've been doing Apache > training. And in the 2.0-and-before days, when I would mention mod_imap, the > response would AL

Re: Obsolete modules in 2.3

2009-11-12 Thread Rich Bowen
On Nov 11, 2009, at 23:21 , William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: Rich Bowen wrote: Don't you think that maybe it's time to drop mod_imagemap and mod_cern_meta? "there is already a large number of CERN users who can exploit this module." Seriously? LOL FWIW I know of one customer who absolutely

Re: Obsolete modules in 2.3

2009-11-11 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
Greg Stein wrote: >> FWIW I know of one customer who absolutely continues to use mod_imagemap and >> have no indication they plan to drop it. >> >> modules/historical/ might be a good waypoint to eliminating these. Enabling >> them should emit a warning they are no longer interesting and likely to

Re: Obsolete modules in 2.3

2009-11-11 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 23:21, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: > Rich Bowen wrote: >> Don't you think that maybe it's time to drop mod_imagemap and mod_cern_meta? >> >> "there is already a large number of CERN users who can exploit this module." >> >> Seriously? > > LOL > > FWIW I know of one customer

Re: Obsolete modules in 2.3

2009-11-11 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
Rich Bowen wrote: > Don't you think that maybe it's time to drop mod_imagemap and mod_cern_meta? > > "there is already a large number of CERN users who can exploit this module." > > Seriously? LOL FWIW I know of one customer who absolutely continues to use mod_imagemap and have no indication th

Re: Obsolete modules in 2.3

2009-11-11 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 20:56, Rich Bowen wrote: > Don't you think that maybe it's time to drop mod_imagemap and mod_cern_meta? > "there is already a large number of CERN users who can exploit this module." > Seriously? I say "hell yes". And my response to a user would be "you want that? fine. i

Re: Obsolete modules in 2.3

2009-11-11 Thread Nick Kew
On 12 Nov 2009, at 01:56, Rich Bowen wrote: > Don't you think that maybe it's time to drop mod_imagemap and mod_cern_meta? > > "there is already a large number of CERN users who can exploit this module." > > Seriously? mod_imagemap is a perfectly good application module, albeit a minority inte

Obsolete modules in 2.3

2009-11-11 Thread Rich Bowen
Don't you think that maybe it's time to drop mod_imagemap and mod_cern_meta? "there is already a large number of CERN users who can exploit this module." Seriously? -- Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com