oud at this point. This
>>>>>>>>>>> just mater a whole hell of lot less unless they are messing with
>>>>>>>>>>> SolrCloud. Standalone is more of a brute.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>&
ave 60 modules that are interconnected. We have a huge code
>>>>>>>>>> base. That is also fine.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We don't tend our garden. That's not fine. I've tended the garden
>>>>>>>
gt; this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is hardly concrete awareness of a problem here. The awareness
>>>>>>>>> to figure out what actually are the problems and what must be done -
>>>>>>>>> that's
>
;>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, no redesign, no library, no nothing like that gonna save
>>>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is hardly concrete awareness of a problem
t;>>>> expensive shit these days if you ask me. I've been wrong lots tough.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>&g
t;>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>>> One could also say that one writes the current use cases and
>>>>>>>> interesting future use cases for Solr in a document and designs from
>>>>>>>> scratch new - taking only the
m 04.11.2019 um 20:58 schrieb Erick Erickson <
>>>>>>> erickerick...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > If Curator would make that easier and we’re doing major surgery
>>>>>>> anyway….
>>>>>>> >
the design is flawed.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Or, if I’m putting my philosophical hat on, code doesn’t get gnarly
>>>>>> intentionally. It gets gnarly because there are a bunch of problems to be
>>>>>> solved and you don’t know what they are until you ru
t gnarly
>>>>> intentionally. It gets gnarly because there are a bunch of problems to be
>>>>> solved and you don’t know what they are until you run into them. And it’s
>>>>> always a tension between fixing it enough to get by and fixing it by
>>&
;> major portions of it. The questions now are:
>>>> > 1> are we at that point?
>>>> > 2> are we going to put the effort into rewriting some of the worst
>>>> offenders?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>
gt;> >>
>>> >> Figuring out a better overall algorithmic & data structure design
>>> that's an order of magnitude improvement seems far more important than
>>> swapping out libraries. And I say this as a Curator fan and committer. ;)
>>> >>
gt;> >>
>> >> On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 11:44 AM Erick Erickson <
>> erickerick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Bram:
>> >>
>> >> Using Curator has been proposed before. It would require significant
>> refactoring b/c of how deeply ent
t; Using Curator has been proposed before. It would require significant
> refactoring b/c of how deeply entwined raw ZK is in the code. That said, if
> we’re going to do major surgery it may be the right time to consider it.
> >>
> >> Erick
> >>
> >>>> On Nov 4
Curator has been proposed before. It would require significant
>> refactoring b/c of how deeply entwined raw ZK is in the code. That said, if
>> we’re going to do major surgery it may be the right time to consider it.
>>
>> Erick
>>
>>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 9:2
oposed before. It would require significant
> refactoring b/c of how deeply entwined raw ZK is in the code. That said, if
> we’re going to do major surgery it may be the right time to consider it.
>
> Erick
>
> > On Nov 4, 2019, at 9:24 AM, Bram Van Dam wrote:
> >
>
g Curator has been proposed before. It would require significant
> refactoring b/c of how deeply entwined raw ZK is in the code. That said, if
> we’re going to do major surgery it may be the right time to consider it.
>
> Erick
>
> > On Nov 4, 2019, at 9:24 AM, Bram Van Dam
ote:
>
>> SolrCloud is sick right now. The way low level Zookeeper is handeled
>
> On an unrelated project, I've stopped using "raw" ZK client access and
> have switched to Curator. The API is a fair bit easier to work with, and
> it results in less ugly code. I realize that thi
> SolrCloud is sick right now. The way low level Zookeeper is handeled
On an unrelated project, I've stopped using "raw" ZK client access and
have switched to Curator. The API is a fair bit easier to work with, and
it results in less ugly code. I realize that this won't go very far
processing file://lucene/src/main/xml/ENTITY_TermQuery.xml: www.bar.xyz:
> Unknown host www.bar.xyz
> ]>
>
> apparently www.bar.xyz host is supposed to be a placeholder
> but for the life of me I cannot see where www.bar.zyz placeholder is replaced
> by a valid URL
>
>
aceholder is replaced by a valid URL
(i havent used DTD in at least 10 years and i am way out of my element when
trying to resolve)
any suggestions?
martin
From: David Smiley
Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 12:32 AM
To: Solr/Lucene Dev
Cc: Mark Miller
Subject: Re: SolrCl
;>>>> >>> This is not to put blame on one person or a group of people. (I
>>>>> occasionally see people discussing design issues upfront, I just hope that
>>>>> is the norm.)
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>>
using the same process we used to create these problems. Again, I'm
>>>> not questioning the intent or competence of anyone. Unless we set the
>>>> process right, we are doomed to make the same mistakes again.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>
>> >>> I hope we don't resort to personal attacks and use this as an
>>> opportunity to improve our processes.
>>> >>> Thanks
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Sun, Nov 3, 2019, 9:52 AM Scott Blum
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
&g
gt; wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Very much agreed. I've been trying to figure out for a long time
>> what is the point in having a replica DOWN state that has to be toggled
>> (DOWN and then UP!) every time a node restarts. Considering that we could
>
since kill -9 on a solr node won't mark
> all the replicas DOWN-- that doesn't happen until the node comes back up
> (perversely).
> >>>>
> >>>> What would it take to get to a state where restarting a node would
> require a minimal amount of ZK work in most cases?
ely).
>>>>
>>>> What would it take to get to a state where restarting a node would require
>>>> a minimal amount of ZK work in most cases?
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 5:44 PM Mark Miller wrote:
>>>>>
>
lay out my case and proposal.
>>>>
>>>> Everyone is then free to decide that we need to do something drastic or
>>>> that I'm wrong and we should just continue down the same road. If that's
>>>> the case, a lot of your work will get a lot easier and less imped
a lot of your work will get a lot easier and less impeded by me
>>> and we will still all be happier. Win win.
>>>
>>> If we can just not make drastic changes for a just a brief week or so
>>> window, I'll say what I have to say, you guys can judge and do whatever
>
;
>>>>> Everyone is then free to decide that we need to do something drastic
>>>>> or that I'm wrong and we should just continue down the same road. If
>>>>> that's
>>>>> the case, a lot of your work will get a lot easier and less impeded by me
&g
> the case, a lot of your work will get a lot easier and less impeded by me
>>>> and we will still all be happier. Win win.
>>>>
>>>> If we can just not make drastic changes for a just a brief week or so
>>>> window, I'll say what I have to
t;> If we can just not make drastic changes for a just a brief week or so
>>> window, I'll say what I have to say, you guys can judge and do whatever
>>> you'd please.
>>>
>>> - mark
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 7:46 PM Mark Miller
>&
w, I'll say what I have to say, you guys can judge and do whatever
>> you'd please.
>>
>> - mark
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 7:46 PM Mark Miller wrote:
>>
>>> Hey All Solr Dev's,
>>>
>>> SolrCloud is sick right now. The way low leve
that we need to do something drastic or
>>> that I'm wrong and we should just continue down the same road. If that's
>>> the case, a lot of your work will get a lot easier and less impeded by me
>>> and we will still all be happier. Win win.
>>>
>>>
e will still all be happier. Win win.
>>
>> If we can just not make drastic changes for a just a brief week or so
>> window, I'll say what I have to say, you guys can judge and do whatever
>> you'd please.
>>
>> - mark
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 1, 2019
Nov 1, 2019 at 7:46 PM Mark Miller wrote:
>
>> Hey All Solr Dev's,
>>
>> SolrCloud is sick right now. The way low level Zookeeper is handeled, the
>> Overseer, is mix and mess of proper exception handling and super slow
>> startup and shutdown, adding new thing
and we will still all be happier. Win win.
If we can just not make drastic changes for a just a brief week or so
window, I'll say what I have to say, you guys can judge and do whatever
you'd please.
- mark
On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 7:46 PM Mark Miller wrote:
> Hey All Solr Dev's,
>
> SolrClou
Hey All Solr Dev's,
SolrCloud is sick right now. The way low level Zookeeper is handeled, the
Overseer, is mix and mess of proper exception handling and super slow
startup and shutdown, adding new things all the time with no concern for
performance or proper ordering (which is harder to tell than
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