Re: Maven core : Plexus vs Spring / OSGi ?

2008-05-02 Thread nicolas de loof
Thats true, The reason new developers/advanced users have to learn Plexus is to create/configure plugins and dependecies. Having a more documented and flexible plugin Api would make things simplier. A firend of mine has created a custom maven plugin for a trivial task. He took much of the dev time

Re: Maven core : Plexus vs Spring / OSGi ?

2008-05-02 Thread Ralph Goers
My 2 cents. I happen to like Spring. I know Avalon really well which Plexus has its roots in. That being said, I really don't care which one is used as long as DI is really used, and that is where the problem is. Things that should have been wired via configuration aren't (i.e. DefaultArtifactV

Re: [VOTE] Release Maven Surefire version 2.4.3

2008-05-02 Thread Dan Tran
tested with the released 2.4.3 at staging repo, no issue in my build. +1 On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Dan Fabulich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dan Tran wrote: > > > can i assume the snapshot is as good the staging one? .. I can have my > > build to use it for a few days > > > > Well, it's alw

Re: [VOTE] Release Maven Surefire version 2.4.3

2008-05-02 Thread Dan Fabulich
Dan Tran wrote: can i assume the snapshot is as good the staging one? .. I can have my build to use it for a few days Well, it's always better to use the real staging bits, blah blah blah but I did a snapshot deploy about 30 seconds before I ran release:prepare, so the snapshot build is prob

Re: [VOTE] Release Maven Surefire version 2.4.3

2008-05-02 Thread Dan Tran
can i assume the snapshot is as good the staging one? .. I can have my build to use it for a few days -D On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Dan Fabulich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > We solved 11 issues: > http://jira.codehaus.org/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=10541&styleName=Html&versi

Re: Maven core : Plexus vs Spring / OSGi ?

2008-05-02 Thread Garvin LeClaire
I think that would help. Today the classpath issues seem greater with reporter (AbstractReporter) plugins than plain Mojo plugins. Regards, Garvin LeClaire [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Casey wrote: I think this issue would go away if we could write a plugin-facilities api that gave easy acc

[VOTE] Release Maven Surefire version 2.4.3

2008-05-02 Thread Dan Fabulich
Hi, We solved 11 issues: http://jira.codehaus.org/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=10541&styleName=Html&version=14255 There are still a couple of issues left in JIRA: http://jira.codehaus.org/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=true&pid=10541&status=1 Staging repo: http://people.apache.org/~dfab

Re: Maven core : Plexus vs Spring / OSGi ?

2008-05-02 Thread John Casey
I think this issue would go away if we could write a plugin- facilities api that gave easy access to the things plugins need to do in most cases. In other words, publish a formal, public api for Maven for the plugin developer. While it'd be nice to have full design docs for all of Maven, in

Re: Maven core : Plexus vs Spring / OSGi ?

2008-05-02 Thread John Casey
I have to say that I'm not at all interested in moving to Spring. At all. I've used both Spring and Plexus, and while I don't think Plexus is the end-all, be-all, it's better IMO than Spring. As far as annotations go, I completely agree with Jason, that Annotations should be standardized, a

Re: Maven core : Plexus vs Spring / OSGi ?

2008-05-02 Thread nicolas de loof
My initial idea was not about Plexus vs Spring but to use OSGi as it supports the plugin + isolation that is required for maven, and suggested Spring because it allready supports OSGi. If we can use plexus with OSGi, lets do it. I just would prefer plexus to be less intrusive and to support annota

Re: Maven core : Plexus vs Spring / OSGi ?

2008-05-02 Thread Garvin LeClaire
I would agree . Why spend time converting the core just to be on a "more popular" framework. What would we do if Guice became more popular, change again? I think the bigger issue here is documentation on Maven's design and design implementation. I find I have to search in a lot of place

Re: Maven core : Plexus vs Spring / OSGi ?

2008-05-02 Thread nicolas de loof
>From the fiew documentation available, XBean seems to be a container for jsr250-based components, with plugability for various IoC containers. The "discover, download and install" plugin model seems to be very similar to OSGi, and the link to Eclipse Equinox makes me suppose it's OSGi based under

Re: Maven core : Plexus vs Spring / OSGi ?

2008-05-02 Thread Jesse McConnell
http://geronimo.apache.org/xbean On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Hilco Wijbenga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Jason van Zyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > And ultimately the container DI is not the important part but the > > implementations of our components.

Re: Maven core : Plexus vs Spring / OSGi ?

2008-05-02 Thread Hilco Wijbenga
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Jason van Zyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And ultimately the container DI is not the important part but the > implementations of our components. Using standard annotations for that is a > good thing and that's not hard. XBR does full JEE injection and can manage >

Re: Maven core : Plexus vs Spring / OSGi ?

2008-05-02 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Luke Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree that people would be more willing (and able) to contribute if the > core technologies were "Java5 + Spring + OSGi". > > > In the limited amount of time available to learn new things, is it > worthwhile for one t

Re: Artifact Version Comparison

2008-05-02 Thread Paul Gier
Within JBoss a lot of our projects use CR and GA so that the versions can be sorted alphabetically. At least that was the explanation given to me ;) I think RC is more common in other places. Ideally I would like to see a pluggable version parsing so that a given project could configure it's

Re: Maven core : Plexus vs Spring / OSGi ?

2008-05-02 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 2-May-08, at 5:53 AM, nicolas de loof wrote: [ ] Note to plexus lovers : CONTROVERSAL PROPOSAL, please don't blame me and just give good arguments ! [ --

Re: Maven core : Plexus vs Spring / OSGi ?

2008-05-02 Thread Carlos Sanchez
I'd really love to see that, but that's not news at all ;) On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 5:53 AM, nicolas de loof <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [ > > > ] > Note to plexus love

Re: Maven core : Plexus vs Spring / OSGi ?

2008-05-02 Thread Luke Patterson
I agree that people would be more willing (and able) to contribute if the core technologies were "Java5 + Spring + OSGi". In the limited amount of time available to learn new things, is it worthwhile for one to learn Plexus? On 5/2/08, nicolas de loof <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [ > > --

Maven core : Plexus vs Spring / OSGi ?

2008-05-02 Thread nicolas de loof
[ ] Note to plexus lovers : CONTROVERSAL PROPOSAL, please don't blame me and just give good arguments ! [ -

Re: SUREFIRE-491 copying sys props to forked process

2008-05-02 Thread Mark Hobson
You could always namespace off system properties that should be passed to the forked process, e.g. -Dtest.foo=bar would pass in -Dfoo=bar. Mark 2008/5/2 Dan Fabulich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Brett Porter wrote: > > > > I thought I had commented on this at some point, but I don't really > remember.

Re: Artifact Version Comparison

2008-05-02 Thread Gilles Scokart
2008/5/2 Benjamin Bentmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Wayne Fay wrote: > > > > How is CR different from RC? > > > > I don't meant to say they are different, it's only another well-known > qualifier, aliasing one from the existing list. > > > > > I think I'd pick one and forget about the other. > > > >

Re: Artifact Version Comparison

2008-05-02 Thread Benjamin Bentmann
Wayne Fay wrote: How is CR different from RC? I don't meant to say they are different, it's only another well-known qualifier, aliasing one from the existing list. I think I'd pick one and forget about the other. Is an option, we only need to make sure to clearly explain people that Mave

Re: Plugin development & plexus-utils version

2008-05-02 Thread Benjamin Bentmann
Jörg Schaible wrote: Maybe a new scope +1 on that instead of some time-consuming ASM post analysis and POM rewriting. Benjamin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECT