Re: [VOTE] Remove Static loggers from 1.2

2007-02-27 Thread Bernd Bohmann
Hello, what is the alternative? How is this handled by the RI? What is the performance impakt? Why not a container can separate each jsf webapp with a separate classloader? Independent of the jsf implementation is provided by the container or not. Can we remove commons logging and use jdk

Re: [VOTE] Remove Static loggers from 1.2

2007-02-27 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
this was discussed near to death in the past. search for simon kitching and logging here in the myfaces list -M On 2/27/07, Bernd Bohmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, what is the alternative? How is this handled by the RI? What is the performance impakt? Why not a container can

Re: [VOTE] Remove Static loggers from 1.2

2007-02-27 Thread Werner Punz
Dennis Byrne schrieb: Alright. Here's my +1 binding. Let's put the nail in this coffin. Dennis Byrne +1 for that as well, this has been a code burden for too long.

Re: [VOTE] Remove Static loggers from 1.2

2007-02-27 Thread Manfred Geiler
+1 --Manfred On 2/27/07, Werner Punz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dennis Byrne schrieb: Alright. Here's my +1 binding. Let's put the nail in this coffin. Dennis Byrne +1 for that as well, this has been a code burden for too long.

Re: [VOTE] Remove Static loggers from 1.2

2007-02-27 Thread Mario Ivankovits
Hi Matthias! this was discussed near to death in the past. search for simon kitching and logging here in the myfaces list Anyway, just that we really know what we are talking about: We have to remove the static keyword from the logger and add a method getLog() which will lazily get the logger

Re: [VOTE] Remove Static loggers from 1.2

2007-02-27 Thread Werner Punz
Mario Ivankovits schrieb: And - some prerequisites have changed - how many sense does it make when all new jee container forbid to have a custom jsf jar in your webapp-lib? Then the gc problem should no longer exist as this library will not be reloaded then, no? I think it still makes

Re: [VOTE] Remove Static loggers from 1.2

2007-02-27 Thread Niall Pemberton
Theres a page about this on the logging wiki here: http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/Logging/StaticLog Niall On 2/27/07, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this was discussed near to death in the past. search for simon kitching and logging here in the myfaces list -M On

Re: [VOTE] Remove Static loggers from 1.2

2007-02-27 Thread Mathias Brökelmann
+1 for removing the static. What is about java.util.logging? Can/Should we use it for 1.2? IMO it is better to use java.util.logging. Apart from the unusable default implementation for java.util.logging the reason not to use it in myfaces 1.1 was the dependency to java 1.4. But jsf 1.2 will

Re: [VOTE] Remove Static loggers from 1.2

2007-02-27 Thread Werner Punz
good point if you can hook commons.logging (I know this is somewhat insane because commons is just a meta logger) below it, I do not know the core java logging api good enough but every dependency we can remove is a + from me. Problem is if we cannot provide a path to hook commons logging into it

Re: [VOTE] Remove Static loggers from 1.2

2007-02-27 Thread Grant Smith
+1 for removing static, +1 for using java.util.logging. I'm also somewhat against using commons logging; what real benefit would it afford us ? On 2/27/07, Werner Punz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: good point if you can hook commons.logging (I know this is somewhat insane because commons is just a

Re: [VOTE] Remove Static loggers from 1.2

2007-02-27 Thread Paul Spencer
+1 for removing static logging. -1 for java.util.logging. I like the freedom that commons logging provides. In my case, I use log4j to email log entries that meet a specific criteria while others are written to a rotating log. Their may be way to do this using java.util.logging, I am pretty

Re: [VOTE] Remove Static loggers from 1.2

2007-02-27 Thread Manfred Geiler
-0.9 for removing commons-logging from jsf1.2 branch (now) Explanation: In the near future we will have to manage two branches that originate from the same source: jsf 1.1.x and 1.2.x. Making massive changes to the jsf1.2 codebase that are NOT alone based on jsf 1.1 and 1.2 spec differences are

[VOTE] Remove Static loggers from 1.2

2007-02-26 Thread Dennis Byrne
Alright. Here's my +1 binding. Let's put the nail in this coffin. Dennis Byrne On 2/26/07, Paul McMahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excellent observation, Dennis. In Geronimo and a few other app servers I am familiar with the user is provided with several knobs that can affect classloading.

Re: [VOTE] Remove Static loggers from 1.2

2007-02-26 Thread Mike Kienenberger
+1 On 2/26/07, Dennis Byrne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alright. Here's my +1 binding. Let's put the nail in this coffin. Dennis Byrne On 2/26/07, Paul McMahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excellent observation, Dennis. In Geronimo and a few other app servers I am familiar with the user is

Re: [VOTE] Remove Static loggers from 1.2

2007-02-26 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
+1 On 2/27/07, Mike Kienenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 On 2/26/07, Dennis Byrne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alright. Here's my +1 binding. Let's put the nail in this coffin. Dennis Byrne On 2/26/07, Paul McMahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excellent observation, Dennis. In Geronimo

Re: [VOTE] Remove Static loggers from 1.2

2007-02-26 Thread Cagatay Civici
+1 non-binding On 2/27/07, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 On 2/27/07, Mike Kienenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 On 2/26/07, Dennis Byrne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alright. Here's my +1 binding. Let's put the nail in this coffin. Dennis Byrne On 2/26/07,

Re: [VOTE] Remove Static loggers from 1.2

2007-02-26 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 2/26/07, Cagatay Civici [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 non-binding Just as a procedural note, the only votes that PMC members have binding votes on is releases. For technical issues (like this one), all committer votes are not only binding, but a -1 (supported by adequate reasoning) is a