Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

Agreed. People keep on saying that Oracle will support AWT/Swing for another 8 years... Have you noticed what the last 8 years have been like? If this is the kind of "support" we can expect then they might as well spin it out the JDK like JavaFX. The end result of this announcement is

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

On Mar 12, 2018 11:59, "Jaroslav Tulach" wrote: > "Oracle has begun conversations with interested parties in the Java > ecosystem on the stewardship of JavaFX, Swing and AWT beyond the above referenced timeframes." >>> >> The official announcement is here

Re: NetBeans external binaries and sha1 hash values from Maven Central

See if the downloaded jars actually match if you download it and compare it to your local one using shasum. If they don't match, unzip them and see what's different. -Tim On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 8:48 PM Christian Bourque < christian.bour...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm currently trying

Re: Support of Java 10

On Mar 12, 2018 12:05 PM, "Jaroslav Tulach" wrote: > > do we have an agreement to merge the branch from Jan to have at least > > basic > > > support for Java 10? > > > > > > > I hope so, my plan is to send a pull request "sometime soon". > > > > +1 > +1 +1 > And

NetBeans external binaries and sha1 hash values from Maven Central

Hi all, I'm currently trying to compile NetBeans 9.0 with a more recent Eclipse JGit library (the one currently bundled with NetBeans is 3 years old!) but I'm having a hard time with the hash (sha1) value that is used by the build system that's downloading the artefact from the Maven Central

Re: Netbeans 9.0 is very unstable with lombok in JDK 9

Anyway, independent of how much lombok finger-pointing, blaming or flaming we have, there seems to be something indeed problematic in Netbeans side. If I use Maven or Gradle to build a non-modular lombok project in Java 9, it builds correctly afterall, but Netbeans chokes with that. Looking at

Re: UnsatisfiedLinkError on exception report

I think this is related only to windows machines, had a brief look at the code and could reproduce (not using windows.) I'll add this info into the ticket, it might help someone that eventually takes a look. On 12 March 2018 at 22:02, John McDonnell wrote: > Hi

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

All of Minecraft (acquired by Microsoft in 2014 for 2.5 billion dollars) is written in Java, using LWJGL to access OpenGL. So even if Swing and AWT dies completely in 10

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

Hi, On Mon, 12 Mar 2018, 21:52 , wrote: > No, Electron is not involved so far, although it probably would work. On > most of our supported platforms we have a "real" Java application talk to > JavaScript via a Java-JavaScript Bridge. Similar to what you can do in a >

Re: UnsatisfiedLinkError on exception report

Hi Victor, There's still ongoing conversations about the Exception Reporter as its still pointing to bugzilla, now that NetBeans is an Apache project we are using Jira(https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/NETBEANS/issues) to record defects. >From a quick search, its seems its raised:

AW: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

No, Electron is not involved so far, although it probably would work. On most of our supported platforms we have a "real" Java application talk to JavaScript via a Java-JavaScript Bridge. Similar to what you can do in a JavaFX application with the WebView, but with a nice typesafe API. One of

UnsatisfiedLinkError on exception report

For me, whenever Netbeans 9.0 beta gets an exception, it is shown up in a window asking me to submit a bug report. I submitted it and the exception reporter tab tells me that it was classified as a duplicate. When I click the link of the dup, I get another exception containing this:

Pull request review.

Hi, I don't have permissions to request a review in github. Could anyone review this pull request? https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pull/419 Thanks, Hector.

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

I can't be the only person who has noticed that jdk8 had 15 HTML classes/interfaces and jdk9 has 74 HTML classes/interfaces? Does this tell us something? Sure looks to me like HTML is coming to Java in a big way. Is there anything a browser can render that Java cannot render? If so, what is

Re: AW: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

Hey, On 2018/03/12 17:51:00, wrote: > At DukeScript (http://dukescript.com) we have plenty of HTML4J > renderers other than JavaFX (Chromium via JXBrowser, ios WebView via > Multi OS Engine and MobiVM, Android WebView, plain Webkit, > Instrumented Browser...) and we can even

Re: Apache NetBeans events

Not strictly all brand questions so consider this more of an answer from an experienced ASF Member. Yes you can charge. Yes you can have sponsors. Generally, you need to keep in mind that you need to avoid undermining the ASF-wide sponsor system. Generally, you can mention the sponsor on the

RE: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

As far as I can tell Swing and AWT were pretty much abandoned years ago except for maintenance. Ken -Original Message- From: Matthias Bläsing [mailto:mblaes...@doppel-helix.eu] Sent: March 12, 2018 1:37 PM To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead

RE: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

This is most distressing to me. You point out that "no new rendering pipelines using new nifty features of graphics cards". It implies that serious graphics application will need to be written in C/C++ and OpenGL. By my twisted logic it can also be said that EE is dead too because its been spun

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

Hi Toni, On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 at 17:51 wrote: > At DukeScript (http://dukescript.com) we have plenty of HTML4J renderers > other than JavaFX (Chromium via JXBrowser, ios WebView via Multi OS Engine > and MobiVM, Android WebView, plain Webkit, Instrumented Browser...) and

AW: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

At DukeScript (http://dukescript.com) we have plenty of HTML4J renderers other than JavaFX (Chromium via JXBrowser, ios WebView via Multi OS Engine and MobiVM, Android WebView, plain Webkit, Instrumented Browser...) and we can even run inside the browser itself with bck2brws &, TeaVM. So in no

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 at 17:36 Matthias Bläsing wrote: > My reading is a bit less *heaven will fall*: > ... > * The future of Swing and AWT is not yet decided > Same here! And I agree with you. That document doesn't say anything about post-J2SE 11. I'm questioning

Re: Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK (was: Re: Noticed Oracle is Working to Remove Java FX, AWT, and Swing from Base Java/JDK)

If I understood the message of the white paper NB will have to be distributed through MS and Apple's app stores (I have no idea what the process for getting their approval or the cost of doing that may be) and that it will have to be shipped as a containerized application that includes the jdk.

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

Am Montag, den 12.03.2018, 17:26 + schrieb Neil C Smith: > On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 at 17:12 Geertjan Wielenga < > geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > I really wouldn't be worried at all about something that will be > > supported > > "through at least 2026". > > > > In a public,

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 at 17:12 Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > I really wouldn't be worried at all about something that will be supported > "through at least 2026". > In a public, freely available JDK? Best wishes, Neil -- Neil C Smith Artist & Technologist

What Coding Conventions Should We Follow Now? What should the IDE default to?

I noticed that Oracle has not maintained a convention for the Java language like other groups have for their ecosystems. This also has not materialized from OpenJDK: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/codeconvtoc-136057.html

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

2018-03-12 18:21 GMT+01:00 Zoran Sevarac : > > I understood that the same way. Thats 8 yrs from now, and till that time > JavaScript will hopefully die :) > Or maybe Panama finally reach the JDK and it is easy to use Qt

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

Indeed, lets look forward, I have not looked at JavaScript as always being into heavy desktop Swing apps. Over the years it has helped me with a demo app showing all kind of features a given system allows me to use. Like a toolbox, which I run and say - hey that's the component I need. Is

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

> > as far as I can see, there's nothing about end of awt or swing support: > "Oracle will continue developing Swing and AWT in Java SE 8 and Java SE 11 > (18.9 LTS). This means they will be supported by Oracle through at least > 2026." > I understood that the same way. Thats 8 yrs from now, and

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

Hi, as far as I can see, there's nothing about end of awt or swing support: "Oracle will continue developing Swing and AWT in Java SE 8 and Java SE 11 (18.9 LTS). This means they will be supported by Oracle through at least 2026." Kind regards Peter Am 12.03.2018 um 16:59 schrieb

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

Ouch - just answered to the thread, but used the wrong article to respond, sorry. Regards P. Am 12.03.2018 um 18:12 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga: Well, when I read the blog below from Oracle's Donald Smith, in charge of all Java things, Swing isn't even mentioned, i.e., it is all about JavaFX:

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

Well, when I read the blog below from Oracle's Donald Smith, in charge of all Java things, Swing isn't even mentioned, i.e., it is all about JavaFX: https://blogs.oracle.com/java-platform-group/the-future-of-javafx-and-other-java-client-roadmap-updates That means for AWT and Swing, everything is

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

Hi, has everybody discussing here actually read the document ("Java Client Roadmap Update")? There's nothing about end of awt or swing support: "Oracle will continue developing Swing and AWT in Java SE 8 and Java SE 11 (18.9 LTS). This means they will be supported by Oracle through at

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

Hey, Am Montag, den 12.03.2018, 16:59 +0100 schrieb Jaroslav Tulach: > > "Oracle has begun conversations with interested parties in the Java > > ecosystem on the stewardship of JavaFX, Swing and AWT beyond the > > above > > > > > referenced timeframes." > > > > > > > Forget about AWT, Swing and

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 at 16:33 John Kostaras wrote: > If this is the case with the Java kingdom, then all these apps will move to > other technologies that take advantage of the new hardware and the GPUs. > The Java kingdom does have quite a few of these things outside of the

Re: AW: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX fromOracle JDK

Christian I am sure electron is good, but my personal preference is to not use a web ide. Javascript as a language has a lot of limitations. I have written gwt code to export java to html and you are limited a lot in how you design your apps. On 12 Mar 2018 16:40, "Christian Lenz"

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

And there is Apache pivot, being Apache maybe we could get help in any migration if that was the path chosen On 12 Mar 2018 16:39, "Peter Steele" wrote: > To be clear (which i wasn't) i meant eclipse RCP is pretty popular, it > uses swt as it's foundation. Could netbeans

AW: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX fromOracle JDK

Have a look into electron apps. A lot of apps are written with this Framework like VS Code and I think this is a big Player and you can see, that it performs very well and it is performant as hell. Only to say one of those apps. Cheers Chris Von: Peter Steele Gesendet: Montag, 12. März 2018

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

To be clear (which i wasn't) i meant eclipse RCP is pretty popular, it uses swt as it's foundation. Could netbeans use swt as it's foundations too? On 12 Mar 2018 16:36, "Peter Steele" wrote: > What about the eclipse RCP framework which uses swt? This would seem to be > a

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

What about the eclipse RCP framework which uses swt? This would seem to be a much better solution than having a html front end. On 12 Mar 2018 16:25, "Neil C Smith" wrote: > On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 at 15:59 Jaroslav Tulach > wrote: > > > Forget

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

All very nice with HTML UI and the browser, but what about standalone apps that need near real time performance. They cannot count on the browser and on Javascript I 'm afraid. They need Swing and/or JavaFX or something similar. If this is the case with the Java kingdom, then all these apps will

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 at 15:59 Jaroslav Tulach wrote: > Forget about AWT, Swing and JavaFX - the future is HTML. In case you still > care about Java, then your future should be Apache HTML/Java API! > Generally inclined to agree with you - definitely on forgetting

AW: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX fromOracle JDK

I totally agree with your, but as we discussed some glitches in other threads, you already know my pain. To create stable, usable UIs with HTML inside Java, with the Rendering Browser from the JDK or from wherever, there Need some bigger improvements to get everyone involved. But what happens

Re: Support of Java 10

> > do we have an agreement to merge the branch from Jan to have at least > > basic > > > support for Java 10? > > > > > > > I hope so, my plan is to send a pull request "sometime soon". > > > > +1 > +1 > And still +1 for keeping version sync and calling this NB 10! ;-) > -1 -jt

Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

> "Oracle has begun conversations with interested parties in the Java > ecosystem on the stewardship of JavaFX, Swing and AWT beyond the above referenced timeframes." >>> >> The official announcement is here and people are finally starting to realize the truth: There is no future for

Re: Apache NetBeans events

I think it is worth mentioning the sponsors also tend to be companies we ‘vet’ as appropriate to be sponsors and they tend to be companies who are keen to help out (or have our supporters in positions of influence) rather than looking for aggressive marketing opportunities. IDRsolutions always

Re: Apache NetBeans events

Hi all, 1. May we list this event details at http://netbeans.apache.org/community/events.html ? 2. May we mention the sponsors (and a link to them) there as well? Thanks, Antonio On 12/03/18 12:36, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: Hi Apache Brand Team, A follow up question: "I think we should

AW: Apache NetBeans events

Same here in Munich. Would be interested to know how to handle this correctly. --Toni Epple -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Geertjan Wielenga Gesendet: Montag, 12. März 2018 12:37 An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Cc: tradema...@apache.org Betreff:

Re: Apache NetBeans events

Hi Apache Brand Team, A follow up question: "I think we should also clarify if we are allowed to charge or have sponsorship for the events. At NetBeans events in the UK, we have had sponsors so we can run a free event with food." What is the requirement/s re sponsorship of Apache events? We tend

Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Definining Apache NetBeans Days

On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 at 10:22 Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Yes, of course, it could be spelled out, but 'NetBeans' means both the > development environment as well as derived technologies. > > Yes, it's probably fine as is, and I wouldn't have bothered mentioning

Re: JShell Support

I'd advise to install nb-javac, rather than use the javac from JDK 9, to have as few unexpected side effects as possible and indeed switch off 'compile on save' on the project. And if in doubt don't use a Maven project but an Ant-based Java SE project. Gj On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 12:16 PM,

AW: JShell Support

Update: The problem is possibly caused by "compile on save", so there's hope. Sorry for bothering you with this many messages, but I'd love to show NetBeans at the conference.  --Toni -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: toni.ep...@eppleton.de Gesendet: Montag,

JShell Support

Hi all, is there a platform where the NB JShell Integration works? With RC3 on Windows, I can use JSHell, but the JSHell with project classpath fails (probably due to backslashes in path), and after creating a run configuration with JSHell enabled I cannot run any ant based project anymore.

Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Definining Apache NetBeans Days

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:59 PM, Neil C Smith wrote: > On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 at 12:26 Geertjan Wielenga < > geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > ... > > 2. Have all demos done throughout the event in NetBeans. > > ... > > > > Here's the central location where Apache

Re: Apache NetBeans events

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 12:26 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 8:54 AM, Geertjan Wielenga > wrote: > > ...we need to agree what a NetBeans event actually consists of, > > i.e., that's why I added the three

[LAZY CONSENSUS] Apache NetBeans Day UK -- April 27, 2018

Hi all, Now that trademarks@ has approved the class of events to be known as 'Apache NetBeans Day' and now that via lazy consensus we have defined the requirements for an event to be a member of that class... let's have the first implementation of Apache NetBeans Day! All that info is documented

Re: dpi on Windows Java 9

Hi Tim, On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 at 21:13 Tim Boudreau wrote: > IMO, if we wanted to do this and be future-proof, the thing to do would be > to convert the icons to SVG or some similar vector format and update the > icon loading code in ImageUtilities to use it. > While I

AW: dpi on Windows Java 9

Thanks Neil, unfortunately it didn't help. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Neil C Smith Gesendet: Montag, 12. März 2018 09:50 An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Betreff: Re: dpi on Windows Java 9 Hi, On Mon, 12 Mar 2018, 08:26 , wrote:

Re: when does next code donation for netbeans happen ?

Yes, thanks for saying that, Emmanuel. The problem is that the last steps are always incredibly excruciating. Gj On Monday, March 12, 2018, ehsavoie wrote: > That's a great news :) > > -- > Emmanuel Hugonnet > http://www.ehsavoie.com >

Re: when does next code donation for netbeans happen ?

That's a great news :) -- Emmanuel Hugonnet http://www.ehsavoie.com http://twitter.com/ehsavoie On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 6:14 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > As soon as we can, trying to wrap it up at the moment. Hopefully will be > ready in the

Re: dpi on Windows Java 9

Hi, On Mon, 12 Mar 2018, 08:26 , wrote: > Thanks, but I guess that won't help me. It works fine with NB 8.2/9 and > JDK 8 on my machine. JDK 9 causes the issues. It seems like the images are > scaled to 150%. I've attached a screenshot to illustrate the problem. > I

AW: dpi on Windows Java 9

Thanks, but I guess that won't help me. It works fine with NB 8.2/9 and JDK 8 on my machine. JDK 9 causes the issues. It seems like the images are scaled to 150%. I've attached a screenshot to illustrate the problem. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Christian Lenz

AW: dpi on Windows Java 9

Here you can see my comment, what I use: https://netbeans.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=252452#c19 I use Windows 10 with a HiDPI res Display and I use the manifest solution and the regedit solution. But I use NB 8.2 with JDK 8. Cheers Chris Von: toni.ep...@eppleton.de Gesendet: Montag, 12.

AW: dpi on Windows Java 9

I found a quick solution I can use tomorrow: I'm setting app scaling on my windows system to 100%. This will make some applications look very small, but as I'm showing mostly NetBeans and PowerPoint Slides it won't hurt. Also I'll need to check what happens with resolution when I connect to a

Re: Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

Yes, the JVM will always be with us. :-) But in general, firstly, it's good to have had this official statement from Oracle. Secondly, for some technologies, some time lines have been given in terms of their continued support -- enabling there to either be very strong push back (you'd be

Re: Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

>From the Java the lamguage.. not the Platform, not Swing.. Sven Am 12.03.2018 08:11 schrieb "Geertjan Wielenga" < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>: > That’s true. But Kotlin, unless I’m mistaken, exists so that JetBrains > products can be ported away from Java. > > Gj > > On Monday, March

Re: Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

That’s true. But Kotlin, unless I’m mistaken, exists so that JetBrains products can be ported away from Java. Gj On Monday, March 12, 2018, Sven Reimers wrote: > Hmm, > > the primary product of JetBrains runs on top of Swing - correct? > > Sven > > Am 12.03.2018 07:43

Re: Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

Hmm, the primary product of JetBrains runs on top of Swing - correct? Sven Am 12.03.2018 07:43 schrieb "Geertjan Wielenga" < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>: > My understanding is that the primary reason for JetBrains to create Kotlin > was so that the language IntelliJ IDEA would be

Re: dpi on Windows Java 9

If you’re building from sources, you could try to replace some of the icons with ones that are correctly scaled and pixalated (and then create a pull request for them). Gj On Monday, March 12, 2018, wrote: > I tried a couple of windows specific things like compatibility

Re: Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

My understanding is that the primary reason for JetBrains to create Kotlin was so that the language IntelliJ IDEA would be written in would be controled by JetBrains. In other words, JetBrains doesn’t seem to me to be a guardian of Java, in any way. Gj On Monday, March 12, 2018, cowwoc

AW: dpi on Windows Java 9

I tried a couple of windows specific things like compatibility settings for letting Windows scale the application instead of the application itself, but it didn't help. It's probably related to this change in Java 9: http://openjdk.java.net/jeps/263 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von:

AW: dpi on Windows Java 9

It seems Java 9 ignores this setting. If I set if -J-Dsun.java2d.dpiaware=false I can reproduce the effect in Java 8. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: toni.ep...@eppleton.de Gesendet: Montag, 12. März 2018 07:21 An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Betreff: AW:

AW: dpi on Windows Java 9

Hi Zoran, thanks, but unfortunately it doesn't help. Toni -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Zoran Sevarac Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. März 2018 20:27 An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Betreff: Re: dpi on Windows Java 9 Hi Toni Try if -J-Dsun.java2d.dpiaware=false in