Re: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-24 Thread Kay Schenk
On 03/18/2016 08:04 AM, Marcus wrote: > Am 03/18/2016 03:18 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan: >> When I was working I gave up some of my freedom to do what >> I wanted in >> exchange for being paid to do what other people told me. >> >> I retired when I had accumulated enough investments that >> the

Re: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-20 Thread donaldupre .
Not only it is possible to compel, it is imperative for a viable project. As Stalin once said, "When there's a person, there's a problem." :) Lack of management hierarchy just can't work in the long run. The history of OpenOffice also shows its peak was when an organization with a clear command str

Re: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-20 Thread donaldupre .
On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: > When I was working I gave up some of my freedom to do what I wanted in > exchange for being paid to do what other people told me. > > We all do... > I retired when I had accumulated enough investments that the financial > improvement f

Re: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-19 Thread Marcus
Am 03/18/2016 03:18 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan: When I was working I gave up some of my freedom to do what I wanted in exchange for being paid to do what other people told me. I retired when I had accumulated enough investments that the financial improvement from the money Sun was paying me n

Re: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-19 Thread Marcus
Am 03/17/2016 09:00 PM, schrieb Pedro Giffuni: Hello; I don't know (or care) what donaldupre meant by that "holacracy" thing but the ASF does have clear governance structures. Concerning a Release Manager I found this: http://www.apache.org/dev/release-publishing.html#release_manager "The com

Re: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-19 Thread Patricia Shanahan
I am really, really curious. How would you recommend the hypothetical AOO management hierarchy go about compelling me to do anything? On 3/17/2016 10:41 AM, donaldupre . wrote: Not only it is possible to compel, it is imperative for a viable project. As Stalin once said, "When there's a person,

Re: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-19 Thread Patricia Shanahan
When I was working I gave up some of my freedom to do what I wanted in exchange for being paid to do what other people told me. I retired when I had accumulated enough investments that the financial improvement from the money Sun was paying me no longer outweighed the benefit of being able to dec

AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-19 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Technically, we do not have a management hierarchy on Apache projects, although there are some rather limited governance roles. There can be self-organizing *informal* teams that are basically people working together for some common within-project purpose and those are fluid and definitely self

Re: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-19 Thread donaldupre .
In the same way management in your professional experience handled disagreement, disrespect, waste, inefficiency etc. that sometimes happen when people work together. You did offer to learn to be a release manager, it means that some sort of "management" is needed? How someone here suggested making

Re: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-19 Thread Patricia Shanahan
I have offered, on the PMC mailing list, to learn to be a release manager if necessary or desirable. The more people we have who can do a role, the better the chances of someone being available when needed. However, I would have to function as keeper-of-the-checklist, and depend on everyone doi

RE: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-19 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
7;t be at the ASF. - Dennis > -Original Message- > From: donaldupre . [mailto:donaldu...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 05:20 > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild) > > In the same way management in y

Re: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-19 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hello; I don't know (or care) what donaldupre meant by that "holacracy" thing but the ASF does have clear governance structures. Concerning a Release Manager I found this: http://www.apache.org/dev/release-publishing.html#release_manager "The common practice at Apache is for a single individua