Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread Sam Vekemans
One idea is to leverage IRC power, by having an international channel, where any language is permitted. And people can respond & live translate, and people can get their answer. Having this IRC weblink directly on the feedback box will help a great deal. Many have abandoned this talk@ list becaus

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread Kai Krueger
On 01/-10/-28163 08:59 PM, SteveC wrote: > > On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: ... > > openstreetbugs is basically there but has a crappy UI. It needs to be Fixing openstreetbugs "crappy ui" and integrating it into the main page seems like the better way to go in this case rathe

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread Steven Le Roux
Hi, Great mockup ! I think we absolutely need a "get direction" as an alternative to the search box. This is probably on of the first thing why people are using maps :), to see how to go from anywhere to anywhere else. Why to keep the ratio of the map ? rather than to link dynamicaly the bottom e

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 February 2010 01:37, Dave F. wrote: > Streetbugs encourages people to 'get others to do it' when OSM should be > encouraging them to 'do it yourself' While it'd be nice if people would fix any problems themselves, I don't think OSM's website is at the point where some granny can just quickl

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread SteveC
On Feb 21, 2010, at 1:15 AM, Kai Krueger wrote: >> the extra step of clicking where the problem is should not happen, we should >> get that from the bbox or center point plus zoom. So with some changes I >> think we can integrate OSB and expose it front and center to help fix up the >> bugs. >

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread Graham Jones
As there are two sorts of problems - 'easy fix' ones ("There is a bank here", "This road is Clifton Road, not Clifton Avenue etc.") and the 'hard' ones ("this road is also part of NCN Route 17" or "there is a road missing here"), maybe we need two solutions? OpenStreetBugs is pretty good for the h

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread SteveC
On Feb 21, 2010, at 8:03 AM, Dave F. wrote: > How is zooming all the way in & repeatedly panning around to centre up, > quicker than one click to _accurately_ locate the problem? Hi, you've never done a UI review. http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/UX_and_Usability_Study Money quote: "Ever

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread Dave F.
Sam Vekemans wrote: > Many have abandoned this talk@ list because IRC is more efficient. Only if you want to talk to people either in your own time zone or are night workers. Talk@ communicates ideas with all people all over the globe. Cheers Dave F.

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread Dave F.
Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > ok and then? who will pick it up and fix it? > look at openstreetbugs and most could be closed right away. the feedback from > most people is useless. a comment "footways are missing in this park" doesn't > help much if there is no experienced mapper willing to survey

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread Dave F.
SteveC wrote: > Well I'll go further. > > openstreetbugs is basically there but has a crappy UI. It needs to be > > 1) click 'feedback' or 'problem' > 2) enter problem > 3) click ok > > the extra step of clicking where the problem is should not happen, we should > get that from the bbox or center

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread Dave F.
John Smith wrote: > On 22 February 2010 01:37, Dave F. wrote: > >> Streetbugs encourages people to 'get others to do it' when OSM should be >> encouraging them to 'do it yourself' >> > > While it'd be nice if people would fix any problems themselves, I > don't think OSM's website is at the

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread Dave F.
SteveC wrote: > On Feb 21, 2010, at 8:03 AM, Dave F. wrote: > >> How is zooming all the way in & repeatedly panning around to centre up, >> quicker than one click to _accurately_ locate the problem? >> > > Hi, you've never done a UI review. > > http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/UX_and_U

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread SteveC
On Feb 21, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Dave F. wrote: >> >> Hi, you've never done a UI review. >> >> http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/UX_and_Usability_Study >> >> Money quote: >> >> "Every user in this study struggled to get a basic grasp of the editing >> interface. Despite users’ overall exciteme

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Instead of whining about the good and and and the ugly of osm.org and Potlatch and speculating some stats who is contributing to osm # Planet + daily diff from 2010-02-20 total users, with > 0 objects in a planet file: 66949 total users, with > 10 objects in a planet file: 42450 # North America

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread SteveC
The problem with your analysis is pretty simple - maybe those people left because the site was crap, not because they inherently don't like adding more than 10 things. Maybe if we make it better, they will add a lot more. On Feb 21, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > Instead of whin

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread Simone Cortesi
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 00:09, SteveC wrote: > The problem with your analysis is pretty simple - > maybe those people left because the site was > crap, not because they inherently don't like adding > more than 10 things. Maybe if we make it better, they will add a lot more. OSM, the website, the

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 21 Feb 2010, at 15:09 , SteveC wrote: > The problem with your analysis is pretty simple - maybe those people left > because the site was crap, not because they inherently don't like adding more > than 10 things. Maybe if we make it better, they will add a lot more. > I can't agree or disag

Re: [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] OSM front page design concept

2010-03-08 Thread John F. Eldredge
Even within your own time zone, IRC only allows you to communicate with people who are online right now, not someone who might log in an hour from now. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypa