Re: [jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-06-03 Thread Marnie McCormack
Thanks Rajith - sounds like a good plan. Appreciate your time, Marnie On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Rajith Attapattu wrote: > On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Marnie McCormack > wrote: > > Hi Rajith, > > I'll let you decide - but could you assign it over to yourself if you are > > progressin

Re: [jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-06-03 Thread Rajith Attapattu
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Marnie McCormack wrote: > Hi Rajith, > I'll let you decide - but could you assign it over to yourself if you are > progressing ? > > As an aside, I don't think its practicable to be debating designs for such > lengthy periods of time. Context switching is waste, an

Re: [jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-06-03 Thread Marnie McCormack
Hi Rajith, I'll let you decide - but could you assign it over to yourself if you are progressing ? As an aside, I don't think its practicable to be debating designs for such lengthy periods of time. Context switching is waste, and I think the elapsed time for design decisions on Apache represents

Re: [jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-06-03 Thread Rajith Attapattu
Marine, I didn't see any commits related to this JIRA, so perhaps there are related JIRA's to this which have commits under them? Also there are no patches attached to this JIRA either. If I am not mistaken, this JIRA was created mostly to discuss the proposal. So since it hasn't reached a conclus

Re: [jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-06-03 Thread Marnie McCormack
Hi Rajith, Would it be possible to separate out the remaing areas/items you'd like to make a proposal on ? I noticed you suggested this approach on the JIRA (11th May) and ity'd be useful to be able to focus any frrther work on the specific items you'd like to see. This JIRA is already a monster

[jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-06-03 Thread Rajith Attapattu (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-2539?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12875107#action_12875107 ] Rajith Attapattu commented on QPID-2539: Marnie, All though we discussed, I do not

Re: [jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-21 Thread Andrew Kennedy
On 19 May 2010 17:22, Carl Trieloff wrote: > I've had a brief read, it seem seems the point I was trying to make has > been entirely miss-understood. > > How about some IRC, or a call if you can do that and the reflect back to the > list. > > Carl. Hi. I talked with carl, and I think we are basi

Re: [jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-19 Thread Carl Trieloff
On 05/19/2010 12:30 PM, Andrew Kennedy wrote: On 19 May 2010 17:22, Carl Trieloff wrote: I've had a brief read, it seem seems the point I was trying to make has been entirely miss-understood. How about some IRC, or a call if you can do that and the reflect back to the list. Carl.

Re: [jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-19 Thread Andrew Kennedy
On 19 May 2010 17:22, Carl Trieloff wrote: > > > I've had a brief read, it seem seems the point I was trying to make has > been entirely miss-understood. > > How about some IRC, or a call if you can do that and the reflect back to the > list. > > Carl. Carl, I'm off home just now, but maybe if w

Re: [jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-19 Thread Carl Trieloff
I've had a brief read, it seem seems the point I was trying to make has been entirely miss-understood. How about some IRC, or a call if you can do that and the reflect back to the list. Carl. On 05/19/2010 11:59 AM, Andrew Kennedy wrote: On 18 May 2010 14:52, Rajith Attapattu wrote:

Re: [jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-19 Thread Andrew Kennedy
On 18 May 2010 14:52, Rajith Attapattu wrote: > > Andrew, I have added your proposal and the text you pasted here in > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/qpid/andrew+acl+proposal > > This page is linked off, > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/qpid/ACL+Design > And the above is

Re: [jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-18 Thread Rajith Attapattu
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Andrew Kennedy wrote: > On 17 May 2010 17:43, Carl Trieloff wrote: >> >> part I am confused about in the thread is the following: Why introduce >> additional opperations to the ACL file format when they can already >> be covered with what is already in the format?

Re: [jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-18 Thread Carl Trieloff
On 05/18/2010 07:13 AM, Andrew Kennedy wrote: On 17 May 2010 17:43, Carl Trieloff wrote: part I am confused about in the thread is the following: Why introduce additional opperations to the ACL file format when they can already be covered with what is already in the format? I can see why w

Re: [jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-18 Thread Andrew Kennedy
On 17 May 2010 17:43, Carl Trieloff wrote: > > part I am confused about in the thread is the following: Why introduce > additional opperations to the ACL file format when they can already > be covered with what is already in the format? > > I can see why we need to add (vhost, subnetmask) -- no ar

Re: [jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-17 Thread Carl Trieloff
Don't know if this is a debate or not, pieces we all understand and agree to. We need to be able to do IP whitlisting We need to be able support certain classes of oppertaions We need vhost In ACLv2 as the C++ broker, most of the cases can be covered with the config. There is even a patch

Re: [jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-17 Thread Robert Godfrey
Sorry to come late to this discussion... Just thought that I'd add that in addition to Marnie's points below wrt virtual hosts (which in themselves should be considered compelling), it is not completely true to say that AMQP1-0 removes Virtual Hosts, it is just that we say that if you do them, you

Re: [jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-14 Thread Marnie McCormack
We have real customer requirements for both the virtual host level ACLs, where prod deployments restrict incoming clients to one vh only, but allow all artifacts on that vh for that user. We also need to retain the firewall, or at least the config/features, since that was a priority feature enhance

Re: [jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-14 Thread Andrew Kennedy
On 14 May 2010 16:19, Rajith Attapattu wrote: > I am bit swamped today, so apologies for not participating in the > discussion today. > Andrew I will have a look at the text you put together and try to > reply by monday. > Do you mind if I put that in the wiki and then mark my comments > underneat

Re: [jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-14 Thread Rajith Attapattu
I am bit swamped today, so apologies for not participating in the discussion today. Andrew I will have a look at the text you put together and try to reply by monday. Do you mind if I put that in the wiki and then mark my comments underneath in a different color? If need be we could potentially sp

[jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-14 Thread Carl Trieloff (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-2539?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12867521#action_12867521 ] Carl Trieloff commented on QPID-2539: - PROP_MAXQUEUESIZE, PROP_MAXQUEUECOUNT --- queue

[jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-14 Thread Andrew Kennedy (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-2539?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12867517#action_12867517 ] Andrew Kennedy commented on QPID-2539: -- PROP_SCHEMAPACKAGE, PROP_SCHEMACLASS, PROP_POLI

[jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-14 Thread Carl Trieloff (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-2539?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12867496#action_12867496 ] Carl Trieloff commented on QPID-2539: - Rajith, I don't see PROP_OWNER actually used a

[jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-14 Thread Carl Trieloff (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-2539?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12867490#action_12867490 ] Carl Trieloff commented on QPID-2539: - Martin, Yes, I just sudo'ed them out from memor

[jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-14 Thread Andrew Kennedy (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-2539?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12867467#action_12867467 ] Andrew Kennedy commented on QPID-2539: -- Missed this, too: RA: 1. I am not sure we need

[jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-14 Thread Andrew Kennedy (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-2539?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12867465#action_12867465 ] Andrew Kennedy commented on QPID-2539: -- The reason I used MANAGE was that the type of o

[jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-14 Thread Martin Ritchie (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-2539?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12867458#action_12867458 ] Martin Ritchie commented on QPID-2539: -- Carl, In your reloadACLFile example are you n

[jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-11 Thread Carl Trieloff (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-2539?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12866217#action_12866217 ] Carl Trieloff commented on QPID-2539: - I miss-typed the one example, method is an obje

[jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-11 Thread Carl Trieloff (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-2539?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12866188#action_12866188 ] Carl Trieloff commented on QPID-2539: - I think the thread can be summed as follows: -

[jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-11 Thread Andrew Kennedy (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-2539?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12866184#action_12866184 ] Andrew Kennedy commented on QPID-2539: -- acl allow admin admin log # allow JMX/QMF log l

[jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-11 Thread Rajith Attapattu (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-2539?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12866182#action_12866182 ] Rajith Attapattu commented on QPID-2539: I see that Carl had already put up an examp

[jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-11 Thread Carl Trieloff (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-2539?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12866177#action_12866177 ] Carl Trieloff commented on QPID-2539: - RA: We need to have a mechanism to allow reloadin

[jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-11 Thread Andrew Kennedy (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-2539?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12866171#action_12866171 ] Andrew Kennedy commented on QPID-2539: -- I couldn't find any documentation of the METHOD

[jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-11 Thread Andrew Kennedy (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-2539?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12866170#action_12866170 ] Andrew Kennedy commented on QPID-2539: -- RA: We need to have a mechanism to allow reload

[jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-11 Thread Carl Trieloff (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-2539?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12866166#action_12866166 ] Carl Trieloff commented on QPID-2539: - Is ADMIN not just a group of users with a specif

[jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-11 Thread Andrew Kennedy (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-2539?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12866165#action_12866165 ] Andrew Kennedy commented on QPID-2539: -- 1. What is the purpose of CONNECT ? ADK: An A

[jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-11 Thread Rajith Attapattu (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-2539?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12866162#action_12866162 ] Rajith Attapattu commented on QPID-2539: 1. I can see the value of virtual host for

[jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-11 Thread Rajith Attapattu (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-2539?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12866158#action_12866158 ] Rajith Attapattu commented on QPID-2539: 1. What is the purpose of CONNECT ? ADK: A

[jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-11 Thread Rajith Attapattu (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-2539?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12866149#action_12866149 ] Rajith Attapattu commented on QPID-2539: RA: Is this to improve readability? I am no

[jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-11 Thread Rajith Attapattu (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-2539?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12866147#action_12866147 ] Rajith Attapattu commented on QPID-2539: ADK: I agree. The 'less strict' phrasing wa

[jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-11 Thread Andrew Kennedy (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-2539?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12866127#action_12866127 ] Andrew Kennedy commented on QPID-2539: -- 1. I can see the value of virtual host for the

[jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-11 Thread Andrew Kennedy (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-2539?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12866126#action_12866126 ] Andrew Kennedy commented on QPID-2539: -- 1. What is the purpose of CONNECT ? ADK: An AC

[jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-11 Thread Andrew Kennedy (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-2539?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12866125#action_12866125 ] Andrew Kennedy commented on QPID-2539: -- RA: 1. I don't think we should deprecate the "g

[jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-11 Thread Andrew Kennedy (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-2539?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12866124#action_12866124 ] Andrew Kennedy commented on QPID-2539: -- RA: Is this to improve readability? I am not su

[jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-11 Thread Andrew Kennedy (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-2539?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12866122#action_12866122 ] Andrew Kennedy commented on QPID-2539: -- 1. I'd like to emphasize again that there shoul

[jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-10 Thread Rajith Attapattu (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-2539?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12865809#action_12865809 ] Rajith Attapattu commented on QPID-2539: My comments are marked with "RA" The chang

[jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-05-07 Thread Andrew Kennedy (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-2539?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12865168#action_12865168 ] Andrew Kennedy commented on QPID-2539: -- Sorry for the delay in adding this... The chan

[jira] Commented: (QPID-2539) Update ACL file syntax to be clearer and add extra operations

2010-04-23 Thread Rajith Attapattu (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-2539?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12860279#action_12860279 ] Rajith Attapattu commented on QPID-2539: Andrew, have you had a chance to look at h