Re: [PROPOSAL] Allow plaintext passwords again.

2022-01-21 Thread Karl Fogel
On 21 Jan 2022, Mark Phippard wrote: In terms of what needs to be done, maybe I am wrong, but I did not think we had any mechanism in place where someone could choose not to compile in support for this feature. So that is new code that would need to be added. Well:

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allow plaintext passwords again.

2022-01-21 Thread Mark Phippard
On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 6:39 PM Karl Fogel wrote: > >2) If we have to add a new compile option, then I suggest we go > >all > >the way and also close the backdoor that exists. IOW, if svn is > >compiled without plaintext support then it also should not be > >able to > >read an existing stored pla

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allow plaintext passwords again.

2022-01-21 Thread Karl Fogel
On 21 Jan 2022, Mark Phippard wrote: One aspect of the previous thread that came up is that someone demonstrated a simple script to create a cached password (as a workaround for current users). That is what led to the idea of formalizing this using the svn auth command to create this file. I am

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allow plaintext passwords again.

2022-01-21 Thread Mark Phippard
On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 7:22 PM Karl Fogel wrote: > > On 21 Jan 2022, Mark Phippard wrote: > >One aspect of the previous thread that came up is that someone > >demonstrated a simple script to create a cached password (as a > >workaround for current users). That is what led to the idea of > >formal

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allow plaintext passwords again.

2022-01-24 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Mark Phippard wrote on Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 20:29:21 -0500: > On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 7:22 PM Karl Fogel wrote: > > > > On 21 Jan 2022, Mark Phippard wrote: > > >One aspect of the previous thread that came up is that someone > > >demonstrated a simple script to create a cached password (as a > > >

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allow plaintext passwords again.

2022-01-24 Thread Mark Phippard
On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 10:44 AM Daniel Shahaf wrote: > > > >I return to my "two camps" argument. The people that do not want > > > >plaintext passwords to be cached ... do not want them being > > > >cached. > > > > > > I see what you mean. > > > > > > If svn is compiled to not cache passwords, b

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allow plaintext passwords again.

2023-03-28 Thread Johan Corveleyn
On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 5:02 PM Mark Phippard wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 10:44 AM Daniel Shahaf > wrote: > > > > > >I return to my "two camps" argument. The people that do not want > > > > >plaintext passwords to be cached ... do not want them being > > > > >cached. > > > > > > > > I see

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allow plaintext passwords again.

2023-03-28 Thread Daniel Sahlberg
Den tis 28 mars 2023 kl 14:41 skrev Johan Corveleyn : > On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 5:02 PM Mark Phippard wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 10:44 AM Daniel Shahaf > wrote: > > > > > > > >I return to my "two camps" argument. The people that do not want > > > > > >plaintext passwords to be cached

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allow plaintext passwords again.

2023-03-28 Thread Nathan Hartman
On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 10:35 AM Daniel Sahlberg wrote: > > Den tis 28 mars 2023 kl 14:41 skrev Johan Corveleyn : >> >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 5:02 PM Mark Phippard wrote: >> > >> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 10:44 AM Daniel Shahaf >> > wrote: >> > >> > > > > >I return to my "two camps" argument.

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allow plaintext passwords again.

2023-03-28 Thread Daniel Sahlberg
Den tis 28 mars 2023 kl 18:56 skrev Nathan Hartman : > On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 10:35 AM Daniel Sahlberg > wrote: > > [...] reverting the previous change and changing the default config. I > don't know (didn't check, no time) what the default config is right now and > if it can be interpreted as "

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allow plaintext passwords again.

2023-03-29 Thread Evgeny Kotkov via dev
Nathan Hartman writes: > I think a good middle ground is: > > * Build with --enable-plaintext-password-storage by default; users who > want to harden their system can do so, but will need to build their > own client. +1. > * Set the default run-time config to store-plaintext-passwords = no

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allow plaintext passwords again.

2023-03-29 Thread Nathan Hartman
On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 6:02 PM Evgeny Kotkov wrote: > > Nathan Hartman writes: > > > I think a good middle ground is: > > > > * Build with --enable-plaintext-password-storage by default; users who > > want to harden their system can do so, but will need to build their > > own client. > > +1.

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allow plaintext passwords again.

2023-03-30 Thread Johan Corveleyn
On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 12:15 AM Nathan Hartman wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 6:02 PM Evgeny Kotkov > wrote: > > > > Nathan Hartman writes: > > > > > I think a good middle ground is: > > > > > > * Build with --enable-plaintext-password-storage by default; users who > > > want to harden th

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allow plaintext passwords again.

2023-03-31 Thread Nathan Hartman
On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 8:39 AM Johan Corveleyn wrote: > Basically this would correspond to kfogel's proposal earlier in this > thread [1] (and the one most participants agreed with): > > "I think it's just a matter of reverting r1845377, right? (And > updating CHANGES, etc.)" > > For completenes

[VOTE] Reverting r1845377 (Was: [PROPOSAL] Allow plaintext passwords again.)

2023-04-17 Thread Daniel Sahlberg
The dicussion died again, but this time I intend make sure we complete it once and for all. I've marked the subject as VOTE to hopefully get some attention, although I believe votes have already been cast. In my mind, it seems we have consensus to revert r1845377 (+1 from Nathan Hartman, Evgeny K

Re: [VOTE] Reverting r1845377 (Was: [PROPOSAL] Allow plaintext passwords again.)

2023-04-21 Thread Johan Corveleyn
On Sun, Apr 16, 2023 at 11:19 PM Daniel Sahlberg wrote: > > The dicussion died again, but this time I intend make sure we complete it > once and for all. I've marked the subject as VOTE to hopefully get some > attention, although I believe votes have already been cast. Thanks for picking it up

Re: [VOTE] Reverting r1845377 (Was: [PROPOSAL] Allow plaintext passwords again.)

2023-04-22 Thread Branko Čibej
On 21.04.2023 16:43, Johan Corveleyn wrote: My plan is to revert r1845377 during next weekend. For the first bulletpoint nothing has to be done, but if consensus changes during the week, I can do the work to to implement option 1. For the second bullet point I'd like to reach consensus (on t

Re: [VOTE] Reverting r1845377 (Was: [PROPOSAL] Allow plaintext passwords again.)

2023-04-22 Thread Branko Čibej
On 22.04.2023 10:27, Branko Čibej wrote: On 21.04.2023 16:43, Johan Corveleyn wrote: My plan is to revert r1845377 during next weekend. For the first bulletpoint nothing has to be done, but if consensus changes during the week, I can do the work to to implement option 1. For the second bulle

Re: [VOTE] Reverting r1845377 (Was: [PROPOSAL] Allow plaintext passwords again.)

2023-04-22 Thread Mark Phippard
On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 4:30 AM Branko Čibej wrote: > > On 22.04.2023 10:27, Branko Čibej wrote: > > On 21.04.2023 16:43, Johan Corveleyn wrote: > > > My plan is to revert r1845377 during next weekend. For the first bulletpoint > nothing has to be done, but if consensus changes during the week, I

Re: [VOTE] Reverting r1845377 (Was: [PROPOSAL] Allow plaintext passwords again.)

2023-04-22 Thread Daniel Sahlberg
Den lör 22 apr. 2023 kl 10:30 skrev Branko Čibej : > On 22.04.2023 10:27, Branko Čibej wrote: > > On 21.04.2023 16:43, Johan Corveleyn wrote: > > > My plan is to revert r1845377 during next weekend. For the first bulletpoint > nothing has to be done, but if consensus changes during the week, I ca

[PROPOSAL] Allow plaintext passwords again. (was: Re: A strong WTF on compiling out plaintext password support by default?!)

2022-01-20 Thread Karl Fogel
On 20 Jan 2022, Mark Phippard wrote: I have made the suggestion before and I want to say there was agreement from anyone that responded. So if nothing else anyone that objects to this is not speaking up. I think the main issue is that no one has wanted to step forward and make the change. I t

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allow plaintext passwords again. (was: Re: A strong WTF on compiling out plaintext password support by default?!)

2022-01-21 Thread Mark Phippard
On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 11:50 PM Karl Fogel wrote: > > On 20 Jan 2022, Mark Phippard wrote: > >I have made the suggestion before and I want to say there was > >agreement from anyone that responded. So if nothing else anyone > >that > >objects to this is not speaking up. I think the main issue is >

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allow plaintext passwords again. (was: Re: A strong WTF on compiling out plaintext password support by default?!)

2022-01-21 Thread Nathan Hartman
On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 7:35 AM Mark Phippard wrote: > On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 11:50 PM Karl Fogel wrote: > > > Putting the hat on of someone that wants to turn off plaintext passwords > ... > > 1) I think there should be an easy way to know if the support exists > or not. I am thinking "svn --v