[dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi there, GSoC 2010 has kicked of and is looking for mentoring organisations next week, hence it's time now to get organised. Who is willing to mentor this time? What project ideas do you have apart from http://suckless.org/project_ideas? Note, to be successful this time, we need to focus on a

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Martin Kopta
On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 08:07:19AM +, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > Hi there, > > GSoC 2010 has kicked of and is looking for mentoring organisations > next week, hence it's time now to get organised. > > Who is willing to mentor this time? > > What project ideas do you have apart from http://suckl

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 3 March 2010 08:22, Martin Kopta wrote: > On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 08:07:19AM +, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> Hi there, >> >> GSoC 2010 has kicked of and is looking for mentoring organisations >> next week, hence it's time now to get organised. >> >> Who is willing to mentor this time? >> >> Wha

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Johannes Wegener
I would love to see a suckless windowing system. I know that it is a point on the project page. But that is something I see as a important thing for me. But I'm also not sure if that is something which can be done during the GSoC. I think the approch of Stali is intresting but since I'm a BSD guy

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Another idea that I'd like to push this year is the creation of a suckless issue tracking/bug tracking system. All existing systems suck and it is still a burden for projects and small businesses to track bugs or customer issues in less sucking ways. The existing alternatives are all a big desgrace

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread pancake
+1 Current bugtrackers sucks. The linker proposal, looks interesting, but i dont get the idea at all, i would do it if i get bored somewhile..but i can't trick google to say that i'm a student. Is your idea to create a static bin from a shared one? There's a program called 'staticify' or somethi

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread pancake
About the mail part of the bug tracker.. why not push 'dmc'? and fix the imap protocol, implement the SMTP part and write a frontend. This can sound like not so much work..but it does from the side that it is actually not usable application, and it needs some love. I think that a decent minimal

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 3 March 2010 10:09, pancake wrote: > About the distro I think it requires so many stuff on it, so at this moment > I think is more important to push partial projects before working on stali. These are the current main drivers of stali (or my take on it): a) having a decent toolchain and build

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Christoph Dibak
Hi folks, I found some interesting issue-/bug tracking system last week. Even its written in Python the idea is cool. Bugs Everywhere (http://bugseverywhere.org/) uses the underlying scm (aka git, hg, bzr) to store its data on. It has also a mail-frontend like the debian BTS (didnt tried it, j

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Peter John Hartman
I agree about the issue trackers + the mail integration. A small suggestion: none of the issue/bug tracking systems do collaboration very well either. What I mean by "collaboration" is the capacity to pass a single document back and forth with several "notes" appended to it. a giant "comments"

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Nicolai Waniek
On 03/03/2010 02:46 PM, Peter John Hartman wrote: > I agree about the issue trackers + the mail integration. A small > suggestion: none of the issue/bug tracking systems do collaboration very > well either. What I mean by "collaboration" is the capacity to pass a > single document back and forth

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Kurt H Maier
Anselm, I saw where you had some base ideas for a widget toolkit. I think that'd be a great GSoC project. I also support the bug tracking software idea, but a non-retarded toolkit would make my day. -- # Kurt H Maier

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread yy
I'm still a student (PhD student, but that's fine for Google), so I will probably apply to participate as a student. Since Go was released I have been playing with it. Is there any interest in the Go port of dwm? This would probably include the improvement of the xgb go package (which I don't know

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Anders Andersson
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:38 PM, yy wrote: > Since Go was released I have been playing with it. Is there any > interest in the Go port of dwm? What would be the benefits of porting dwm to a new language? From my point of view, dwm is already functional and mature, porting it over to Go doesn't sou

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread pancake
EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY. dwm in go takes not much sense from my point of view. It will make code slower, afaik C bindings are not as clean as writnig C directly and there's no interesting feature from Go to be used in dwm code. Anders Andersson wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:38 PM, yy wr

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Chris Palmer
We need a desktop text indexing system that sucks less.

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 3 March 2010 16:38, yy wrote: > I'm still a student (PhD student, but that's fine for Google), so I > will probably apply to participate as a student. > > Since Go was released I have been playing with it. Is there any > interest in the Go port of dwm? This would probably include the > improvem

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread pancake
Chris Palmer wrote: We need a desktop text indexing system that sucks less. desktop sucks by definition.

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Nicolai Waniek
On 03/03/2010 06:28 PM, Anders Andersson wrote: > What would be the benefits of porting dwm to a new language? From my > point of view, dwm is already functional and mature, porting it over > to Go doesn't sound very constructive. And porting it is a real pain, at the moment. For example, you don'

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Chris Palmer
pancake writes: > >We need a desktop text indexing system that sucks less. > > desktop sucks by definition. You are very helpful. How about "We need a text indexing system for personal data stored locally on small computers that sucks less."

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Chris Palmer wrote: > We need a desktop text indexing system that sucks less. grep -- # Kurt H Maier

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread David E. Thiel
On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 01:11:00PM -0500, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Chris Palmer wrote: > > We need a desktop text indexing system that sucks less. > > grep ...is not an example of an indexing system. While such a system would be useful, I'm doubtful that a ``suckles

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread David E. Thiel
On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 08:07:19AM +, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > What project ideas do you have apart from http://suckless.org/project_ideas? SSH-model SSL certificate validation for surf.

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread yy
2010/3/3 Anders Andersson : > On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:38 PM, yy wrote: >> Since Go was released I have been playing with it. Is there any >> interest in the Go port of dwm? > > What would be the benefits of porting dwm to a new language? From my > point of view, dwm is already functional and matu

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Chris Palmer
Kurt H Maier writes: > > We need a desktop text indexing system that sucks less. > > grep First of all, I had never heard of this program. It is so great! Wow! Thanks for the suggestion! In 45 minutes when my query has completed, I'll buy you a beer. I assume you prefer Coors Lite? Second, the

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Chris Palmer
David Thiel writes: > > grep > > ...is not an example of an indexing system. That's a feature, not a bug. Hash tables are bloatware. If you can't do it with linear search, you shouldn't do it. Don't even get me started on red-black trees... > While such a system would be useful, I'm doubtful th

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Chris Palmer wrote: > Kurt H Maier writes: > >> > We need a desktop text indexing system that sucks less. >> >> grep > > First of all, I had never heard of this program. It is so great! Wow! Thanks > for the suggestion! In 45 minutes when my query has completed, I'l

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Chris Palmer
Anselm R Garbe writes: > Stali's grep is smaller than your bloated 78kb dynamic executable, see > attached. It's 63kb actually and runs on all x86 linux platforms. An awk script equivalent to grep is at least one order of magnitude smaller, and possibly two.

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Antoni Grzymala
Anselm R Garbe dixit (2010-03-03, 18:55): > On 3 March 2010 18:33, Chris Palmer wrote: > > Kurt H Maier writes: > > > >> > We need a desktop text indexing system that sucks less. > >> > >> grep > > > > First of all, I had never heard of this program. It is so great! Wow! Thanks > > for the sugges

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Anders Andersson
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Chris Palmer wrote: > Anselm R Garbe writes: > >> Stali's grep is smaller than your bloated 78kb dynamic executable, see >> attached. It's 63kb actually and runs on all x86 linux platforms. > > An awk script equivalent to grep is at least one order of magnitude smal

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Chris Palmer
Kurt H Maier writes: > it's not my fault you're bad at organizing your data Please tell us about your data organization scheme, such that you can find anything you have -- email, PDFs, Postscript, music, text files, HTML files, et c. -- in the same amount of time a Google, Google Desktop, Spotlig

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Chris Palmer
Anders Andersson writes: > p...@airwaves:~$ size `which awk` >textdata bss dec hex filename > 3134831392 20584 335459 51e63 /usr/bin/awk Small price to pay for something that can basically do the job of almost the entire Unix userland. Also, yours is bloated (but st

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Niki Yoshiuchi
This is supposed to be a discussion on the Google Summer of Code, not a nerd fight about whether grep or awk is better, and how to manage files. Can you guys fork your discussion? On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Chris Palmer wrote: > Anders Andersson writes: > > > p...@airwaves:~$ size `which a

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Chris Palmer wrote: > Please tell us about your data organization scheme, such that you can find > anything you have -- email, PDFs, Postscript, music, text files, HTML files, > et c. -- in the same amount of time a Google, Google Desktop, Spotlight, or > Windows Se

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Niki Yoshiuchi wrote: > This is supposed to be a discussion on the Google Summer of Code, not a nerd > fight about whether grep or awk is better, and how to manage files.  Can you > guys fork your discussion? you're right, but clearly the only way to decide whether

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Szabolcs Nagy
On 3/3/10, Antoni Grzymala wrote: > $ strings /tmp/grep | /tmp/grep -i network > Machine is not on the network > Name not unique on network > Network is down > Network is unreachable > Network dropped connection on reset > > and valuable Xenix support: > > Not a XENIX named type file > No XENIX se

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Charlie Kester
On Wed 03 Mar 2010 at 11:17:14 PST Kurt H Maier wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Niki Yoshiuchi wrote: This is supposed to be a discussion on the Google Summer of Code, not a nerd fight about whether grep or awk is better, and how to manage files.  Can you guys fork your discussion? you

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Jacob Todd
I'd like to see dmc improved upon. In it's current state it can already send mail with smtp, but there are also aspects of it that could be polished a bit more, like being able to receive mail, pgp support, et cetera. More work on stali would be very nice, too. -- I am a man who does not exist fo

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Connor Lane Smith
Hey all, I'm a first year student, and I'd be interested in helping out for GSoC. I like the idea of centring the projects on a "development environment", which doesn't seem too broad. I'm personally interested in writing a Unix-native samterm of some kind (I love sam, but not the Plan 9 samterm)

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Josh Rickmar
On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 09:47:08PM +, Connor Lane Smith wrote: > As an aside, where are the stali utils from? Not GNU, surely? It's using a OpenBSD userland if I recall.

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Rob
Hi, yet another student here, of the second year British variety. I'd be interested in getting involved along the lines of a development environment with something like a suckless text editor, with decent mouse interaction a la Acme. Could be better to leave the terminal and use X11. Personally, I

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Paul O'Leary McCann
I'm an interested student as well; I'm a senior in Providence, Rhode Island, USA, doing a master's next year. -POLM

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Josh Rickmar
Should probably say that I'm also a student (studying Computer Engineering at the University of Michigan) that would be interested in doing something like this. I don't yet know what exact project I'd like to take, keep posting ideas.

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Jacob Todd
On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 07:01:48PM -0500, Josh Rickmar wrote: > Should probably say that I'm also a student (studying Computer > Engineering at the University of Michigan) that would be interested in > doing something like this. I don't yet know what exact project I'd like > to take, keep posting

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread Josh Rickmar
On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 07:16:22PM -0500, Jacob Todd wrote: > On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 07:01:48PM -0500, Josh Rickmar wrote: > > Should probably say that I'm also a student (studying Computer > > Engineering at the University of Michigan) that would be interested in > > doing something like this. I

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread pancake
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 16:27:34 -0500 Jacob Todd wrote: > I'd like to see dmc improved upon. In it's current state it can already send > mail with smtp, but there are also aspects of it that could be polished a bit > more, like being able to receive mail, pgp support, et cetera. well. in fact, the s

Re: [dev] GSoC 2010

2010-03-03 Thread eze . programmer
I think this is a good project idea, and it would prove more than useful also im looking forward to the simple port scanner, these project ideas have caugth my attention. On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 03:41:12PM +0100, Nicolai Waniek wrote: > On 03/03/2010 02:46 PM, Peter John Hartman wrote: > > I agree