Re: [dev] my suckless.org compatible ideas: vim like mapping for any tools, C scripts, vi clone

2010-05-14 Thread Samuel Baldwin
2010/5/14 Kurt H Maier : > I don't think he cares about it until he can serve google adsense with it. Every day when I wake up I thank Freyja for my ability to block such things in my browser, didn't even notice. Anyways the one idea of his I did like was promoting a suckless interest in tcc or s

Re: [dev] my suckless.org compatible ideas: vim like mapping for any tools, C scripts, vi clone

2010-05-14 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Samuel Baldwin wrote: > I wonder what he calls actual dogmatism? I don't think he cares about it until he can serve google adsense with it. -- # Kurt H Maier

Re: [dev] my suckless.org compatible ideas: vim like mapping for any tools, C scripts, vi clone

2010-05-14 Thread Samuel Baldwin
2010/5/14 Paul Thompson : > He wrote a blog post about how suckless.org scares him, > at http://mobiphil.com you could leave the comment > there for him. According to the post we made him hate unix. That post is truly hilarious. Apparently pointing out flaws in his arguments amounts to dogmatism.

Re: [dev] my suckless.org compatible ideas: vim like mapping for any tools, C scripts, vi clone

2010-05-14 Thread Samuel Baldwin
2010/5/14 mobi phil : > well, do it like that... by time you will understand that there are [ … snip … ] > that there are better ways to do it... But the same ... Just run whatever you're doing in a loop? Simple tools are the best, especially when you can chain them together into something necessa

Re: [dev] my suckless.org compatible ideas: vim like mapping for any tools, C scripts, vi clone

2010-05-14 Thread Paul Thompson
On Sat, 15 May 2010 00:04:09 +0100 Rob wrote: > You're too late, he ragequit. He wrote a blog post about how suckless.org scares him, at http://mobiphil.com you could leave the comment there for him. According to the post we made him hate unix.

Re: [dev] dev+unsubscribe, I think it is better to avoid the bloat

2010-05-14 Thread Marvin Vek
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 12:35:41AM +0200, hiro wrote: > That's why I always said "suckless" is stupid. People have too high > expectations when they read it! It's not plan9 enough!! -- Marvin Vek - /* * We used to try various strange things. Let's not. */ linux-2.2.16/fs/buffer.c

Re: [dev] my suckless.org compatible ideas: vim like mapping for any tools, C scripts, vi clone

2010-05-14 Thread Rob
>> > Yeah, it's easy. Keeping simple is hard. >> Well, how many time do you preach this sentence one day? Why do you >> think that other people would be so idiot, that would not know such an >> obvious think? > > Sorry but you look like an idiot. You're too late, he ragequit.

Re: [dev] my suckless.org compatible ideas: vim like mapping for any tools, C scripts, vi clone

2010-05-14 Thread Dmitry Maluka
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 10:53:05PM +0200, mobi phil wrote: > > Yeah, it's easy. Keeping simple is hard. > Well, how many time do you preach this sentence one day? Why do you > think that other people would be so idiot, that would not know such an > obvious think? Sorry but you look like an idiot.

Re: [dev] dev+unsubscribe, I think it is better to avoid the bloat

2010-05-14 Thread hiro
That's why I always said "suckless" is stupid. People have too high expectations when they read it!

Re: [dev] dev+unsubscribe, I think it is better to avoid the bloat

2010-05-14 Thread Aurélien Aptel
«Dawning horror tinged with self-loathing crept slowly over the face of mobi phil as he described his "text editor" and by extension his vision of "suckless" to others during a seemingly innocuous email exchange.» Uriel was *not even* involved. A weird (and incredible) day, indeed.

Re: [dev] my suckless.org compatible ideas: vim like mapping for any tools, C scripts, vi clone

2010-05-14 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 5/14/10, mobi phil wrote: >> As others have pointed out, some of your ideas are not so suckless, >> but I'll respond to the ones I find the most interesting. > nice to hear that.. > >>> 1. good tools should have a way to define easily keyboard shortcuts. >> True. It's quite irritating that some

Re: [dev] my suckless.org compatible ideas: vim like mapping for any tools, C scripts, vi clone

2010-05-14 Thread hiro
Yeah, I know wine, counterstrike is working perfectly. I just don't like the *look* of notepad on that thing. But about gnuwin, thanks for that, these people are working painstakingly. A market gap I have not thought of yet! On 5/15/10, Marvin Vek wrote: > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 11:49:41PM +0200

Re: [dev] my suckless.org compatible ideas: vim like mapping for any tools, C scripts, vi clone

2010-05-14 Thread Marvin Vek
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 11:49:41PM +0200, hiro wrote: > Why don't you port cat to windows? > > On 5/14/10, mobi phil wrote: > >> Btw, for me notepad is one of the greatest windows apps ever built. > >> This is a really stupid thread! > >> But good to know that I'm not the only one wasting my time

Re: [dev] dev+unsubscribe, I think it is better to avoid the bloat

2010-05-14 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 5:55 PM, mobi phil wrote: > By the way. Ion3 is less bloated than any of the wi, wii, wi, > wii or drm... Isn't it a bloat or "not suckles" to have the same 3 > times? Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? -- # Kurt

[dev] dev+unsubscribe, I think it is better to avoid the bloat

2010-05-14 Thread mobi phil
Well, I had a funny day here, but I think I knocked at the wrong door... By the way. Ion3 is less bloated than any of the wi, wii, wi, wii or drm... Isn't it a bloat or "not suckles" to have the same 3 times? Anders Andersson said "You're insane". Two of them in the same place is too dang

Re: [dev] my suckless.org compatible ideas: vim like mapping for any tools, C scripts, vi clone

2010-05-14 Thread hiro
Why don't you port cat to windows? On 5/14/10, mobi phil wrote: >> Btw, for me notepad is one of the greatest windows apps ever built. >> This is a really stupid thread! >> But good to know that I'm not the only one wasting my time today. > > why don't you port it to linux? :) > > > > > -- > rgrd

Re: [dev] my suckless.org compatible ideas: vim like mapping for any tools, C scripts, vi clone

2010-05-14 Thread mobi phil
> Btw, for me notepad is one of the greatest windows apps ever built. > This is a really stupid thread! > But good to know that I'm not the only one wasting my time today. why don't you port it to linux? :) -- rgrds, mobi phil being mobile, but including technology http://mobiphil.com

Re: [dev] my suckless.org compatible ideas: vim like mapping for any tools, C scripts, vi clone

2010-05-14 Thread hiro
Btw, for me notepad is one of the greatest windows apps ever built. This is a really stupid thread! But good to know that I'm not the only one wasting my time today. On 5/14/10, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote: > too much text, not enough time :P >

Re: [dev] my suckless.org compatible ideas: vim like mapping for any tools, C scripts, vi clone

2010-05-14 Thread hiro
too much text, not enough time :P

Re: [dev] my suckless.org compatible ideas: vim like mapping for any tools, C scripts, vi clone

2010-05-14 Thread mobi phil
> Óðinn above, you are doing something very wrong if you have source > files that are 400MB. Chop up your files into smaller pieces; you > mentioned log files earlier, you can have: pizza.log.1, pizza.log.2, > pizza.log.3 … And why do you need to edit these aforementioned 4GB log > files anyways? C

Re: [dev] my suckless.org compatible ideas: vim like mapping for any tools, C scripts, vi clone

2010-05-14 Thread Samuel Baldwin
2010/5/14 mobi phil : > Can it open 400MB of source code in under 1 second? Óðinn above, you are doing something very wrong if you have source files that are 400MB. Chop up your files into smaller pieces; you mentioned log files earlier, you can have: pizza.log.1, pizza.log.2, pizza.log.3 … And wh

Re: [dev] my suckless.org compatible ideas: vim like mapping for any tools, C scripts, vi clone

2010-05-14 Thread mobi phil
> As others have pointed out, some of your ideas are not so suckless, > but I'll respond to the ones I find the most interesting. nice to hear that.. >> 1. good tools should have a way to define easily keyboard shortcuts. > True. It's quite irritating that some tools use the arrow keys for scrolli

Re: [dev] my suckless.org compatible ideas: vim like mapping for any tools, C scripts, vi clone

2010-05-14 Thread mobi phil
> Yes another sucking bloated program. I hope you did not suck your vodka already.. I think you are so fixed on this suck, that you fail to see the forest from the trees. > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 07:21:18PM +0200, mobi phil wrote: >> When you are looking some functions or some patters you use gr

Re: [dev] my suckless.org compatible ideas: vim like mapping for any tools, C scripts, vi clone

2010-05-14 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 5/14/10, mobi phil wrote: > Hello, Hi > as I am already here, and time is short in life, I would like to share > with the community a few suckless.org compatible ideas: As others have pointed out, some of your ideas are not so suckless, but I'll respond to the ones I find the most interesting.

Re: [dev] my suckless.org compatible ideas: vim like mapping for any tools, C scripts, vi clone

2010-05-14 Thread Dmitry Maluka
Yes another sucking bloated program. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 07:21:18PM +0200, mobi phil wrote: > When you are looking some functions or some patters you use grep, > isn't it? Each time you do grep, the file is loaded into memory, you > do the next grep again, etc. No. It's piped into grep. Pipe

Re: [dev] my suckless.org compatible ideas: vim like mapping for any tools, C scripts, vi clone

2010-05-14 Thread Preston Mays
every programmer should write their own editor. whether they share it with the world or not is unimportant. i don't understand why this isn't some unspoken rule of programmer culture, like a right of passage. (every programmer should create their own programming language too, but i digress)

Re: [dev] SDL fullscreen problems in dwm

2010-05-14 Thread pancake
Well .. It is possible to hackaround the event handler to manage this event. But surely will depend on app.. So.. Crappy On May 14, 2010, at 8:10 PM, Thomas Spurden wrote: On 14/05/10 18:02, pancake wrote: [panc...@dazo tmp]$ cat sdldwm.c /* * Copyright (C) 2010 * pancake * * $ gcc sdl

Re: [dev] SDL fullscreen problems in dwm

2010-05-14 Thread Thomas Spurden
On 14/05/10 18:02, pancake wrote: > > [panc...@dazo tmp]$ cat sdldwm.c > /* > * Copyright (C) 2010 > * pancake > * > * $ gcc sdldwm.c -shared -ldl -fPIC -o sdldwm.so > * $ LD_PRELOAD=./sdldwm.so programname > */ > #define _GNU_SOURCE > #include > > static void *(*svm)(int w, int h, int b

Re: [dev] my suckless.org compatible ideas: vim like mapping for any tools, C scripts, vi clone

2010-05-14 Thread mobi phil
>> That ZX Spectrum would actually be awesome. >> >> -- >> Marvin Vek > > My C64 beats the crap out of any lame Spectrum any day. Did you install ms notepad on it? -- rgrds, mobi phil being mobile, but including technology http://mobiphil.com

Re: [dev] my suckless.org compatible ideas: vim like mapping for any tools, C scripts, vi clone

2010-05-14 Thread Anders Andersson
> That ZX Spectrum would actually be awesome. > > -- > Marvin Vek My C64 beats the crap out of any lame Spectrum any day.

Re: [dev] my suckless.org compatible ideas: vim like mapping for any tools, C scripts, vi clone

2010-05-14 Thread Marvin Vek
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 07:47:32PM +0200, mobi phil wrote: > I think you should stick to your notepad on windows, even better, buy > ZX spectrum, and install your Spartan like tools on it. I think you > make me a clear image about suckles, and you have a well formed > welcoming style. I think you d

Re: [dev] my suckless.org compatible ideas: vim like mapping for any tools, C scripts, vi clone

2010-05-14 Thread mobi phil
well, > You're insane. Comments follow: thanks for the welcome, I hope you did not mean it.. > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 6:01 PM, mobi phil wrote: > >> 1. good tools should have a way to define easily keyboard shortcuts. > > Good tools should have good keyboard shortcuts, change them in the > sour

Re: [dev] SDL fullscreen problems in dwm

2010-05-14 Thread Anders Andersson
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 7:15 PM, pancake wrote: > Many of them are using fixed resolution pixmaps, not vectors, so, to avoid > scaling or incorrect display they prefer to drop this possibility (ugly btw) Yeah, but they could still implement a scrolling view or similar. Making a game for a fixed r

Re: [dev] my suckless.org compatible ideas: vim like mapping for any tools, C scripts, vi clone

2010-05-14 Thread mobi phil
> So traditional-vi, nvi, vim, elvis, vile, and busybox's vi aren't > enough? :) you mentioned 5 of them. All do the same, nothing more. None could open a huge logfile for analysis, or none has created me clear control or monitoring points for the buffer. >> * Should be able to aggregate files in

Re: [dev] my suckless.org compatible ideas: vim like mapping for any tools, C scripts, vi clone

2010-05-14 Thread mobi phil
>> 3. I am looking for people who would be interested in writing a vim >> clone. I already called it viq (vi quick) > I'm interested, but some of the ideas you have seem a little too unsuckless > (i'll cover what i think in a mo) > Keep in mind, I'm not trying to be Uriel, this is constructive cri

Re: [dev] my suckless.org compatible ideas: vim like mapping for any tools, C scripts, vi clone

2010-05-14 Thread Marvin Vek
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 06:01:54PM +0200, mobi phil wrote: > 3. I am looking for people who would be interested in writing a vim > clone. I already called it viq (vi quick) So traditional-vi, nvi, vim, elvis, vile, and busybox's vi aren't enough? :) > * Should be able to aggregate files in differ

Re: [dev] SDL fullscreen problems in dwm

2010-05-14 Thread pancake
Many of them are using fixed resolution pixmaps, not vectors, so, to avoid scaling or incorrect display they prefer to drop this possibility (ugly btw) On May 14, 2010, at 6:25 PM, Anders Andersson wrote: Literally non resizeable, the window cannot be resized. hm, I can open SDL windo

Re: [dev] SDL fullscreen problems in dwm

2010-05-14 Thread pancake
On Fri, 14 May 2010 16:50:53 - hessi...@hessiess.com wrote: > > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 04:40:59PM -, hessi...@hessiess.com wrote: > >> Literally non resizeable, the window cannot be resized. > > hm, I can open SDL windows that are resizable easily enough, > > with... "SDL_RESIZABLE" > >

Re: [dev] my suckless.org compatible ideas: vim like mapping for any tools, C scripts, vi clone

2010-05-14 Thread Anders Andersson
You're insane. Comments follow: On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 6:01 PM, mobi phil wrote: > 1. good tools should have a way to define easily keyboard shortcuts. Good tools should have good keyboard shortcuts, change them in the source if you have to. > 1.1. Preferably good tools should have at least

Re: [dev] my suckless.org compatible ideas: vim like mapping for any tools, C scripts, vi clone

2010-05-14 Thread Rob
> Hello, hi > 3. I am looking for people who would be interested in writing a vim > clone. I already called it viq (vi quick) I'm interested, but some of the ideas you have seem a little too unsuckless (i'll cover what i think in a mo) Keep in mind, I'm not trying to be Uriel, this is constructi

Re: [dev] SDL fullscreen problems in dwm

2010-05-14 Thread Anders Andersson
>>> Literally non resizeable, the window cannot be resized. >>  hm, I can open SDL windows that are resizable easily enough, >>  with... "SDL_RESIZABLE" > > Sure, but *NO ONE* uses that flag. Go download almost any game made with > SDL, its not resizeable. > Doesn't that mean that the games are ve

[dev] my suckless.org compatible ideas: vim like mapping for any tools, C scripts, vi clone

2010-05-14 Thread mobi phil
Hello, as I am already here, and time is short in life, I would like to share with the community a few suckless.org compatible ideas: 1. good tools should have a way to define easily keyboard shortcuts. 1.1. Preferably good tools should have at least one predefined set of shortcuts that is compat

Re: [dev] SDL fullscreen problems in dwm

2010-05-14 Thread hessiess
> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 04:40:59PM -, hessi...@hessiess.com wrote: >> Literally non resizeable, the window cannot be resized. > hm, I can open SDL windows that are resizable easily enough, > with... "SDL_RESIZABLE" > > Mate > Sure, but *NO ONE* uses that flag. Go download almost any game m

Re: [dev] SDL fullscreen problems in dwm

2010-05-14 Thread Mate Nagy
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 04:40:59PM -, hessi...@hessiess.com wrote: > Literally non resizeable, the window cannot be resized. hm, I can open SDL windows that are resizable easily enough, with... "SDL_RESIZABLE" Mate

Re: [dev] SDL fullscreen problems in dwm

2010-05-14 Thread hessiess
> On 5/14/10, hessi...@hessiess.com wrote: >> Its because SDL is resolution dependent(non resizeable). > > what do you mean by non resizeable? > Literally non resizeable, the window cannot be resized.

Re: [dev] SDL fullscreen problems in dwm

2010-05-14 Thread Szabolcs Nagy
On 5/14/10, hessi...@hessiess.com wrote: > Its because SDL is resolution dependent(non resizeable). what do you mean by non resizeable?

Re: [dev] SDL fullscreen problems in dwm

2010-05-14 Thread hessiess
Its because SDL is resolution dependent(non resizeable). I wrote the Quad-Ren graphics engine, a resolution independent graphics engine to solve this problem. It was designed specifically to work with tiling WM's.

[dev] Re: you mentioned a widget library

2010-05-14 Thread mobi phil
Hello all, I am really happy to find this community, pancake suggested me to have a visit, and it is really worth... As I was looking for a simple widget implementation, accidentally it happened the pancake was working on sthg. like that.. Please allow me a few commenst about swk: I find the ma