Re: [dev] [surf] Shortcuts for horizontal scrolling

2010-08-22 Thread stanio
* Alex Puterbaugh puterbau...@gmail.com [2010-08-21 20:32]: I think that horizontal scrolling via the keyboard is far from an edge use case for a web browser that already depends so heavily on the keyboard, Yep. I've patched surf for horiz scrolling several months ago and shared the patch

[dev] Usable typesetting system?

2010-08-22 Thread Martin Kopta
Hi everyone, I wrote my bachelor thesis using LaTeX and now I am going to write my master thesis. I would rather avoid TeX and everything TeX based this time. The PDF output of (La)TeX is awesome and I really like that part of it, but writting itself was painful, since the language is pretty

Re: [dev] Usable typesetting system?

2010-08-22 Thread Kai Hendry
On 22 August 2010 12:15, Martin Kopta mar...@kopta.eu wrote: * input as plain text (NOT xml) * simple syntax/commands/language I suggest markdown and HTML * output as PDF (acceptable as thesis), may be indirectly I recommend the non-free software http://www.princexml.com/ It takes in HTML,

Re: [dev] Usable typesetting system?

2010-08-22 Thread Alexander Teinum
I want to use Markdown for writing university documents, but it lacks features such as table of contents, list of figures, and reference lists. HTML is not something I would choose for output format, since it doesn’t know the height of a page. Personally, I’d love to see a Markdown-language with

Re: [dev] Usable typesetting system?

2010-08-22 Thread David J Patrick
On 10-08-22 07:15 AM, Martin Kopta wrote: Hi everyone, I wrote my bachelor thesis using LaTeX and now I am going to write my master thesis. I would rather avoid TeX and everything TeX based this time. consider writing in markdown and transforming via pandoc.

Re: [dev] Usable typesetting system?

2010-08-22 Thread Kurt H Maier
If you dislike TeX, use troff. If you dislike troff, just use microsoft word, because you're wrong. Markdown is a crippled pile of meta-shit; it is not a typesetting system. If you're producing anything other than blog posts in markdown you're fucking up. -- # Kurt H Maier

Re: [dev] Usable typesetting system?

2010-08-22 Thread Alexander Teinum
I might create a parser for a language that I just invented. It’s somewhat like Common Lisp. (h1 A heading) (p This is (strong awefully) nice.) (h2 Another heading) Or, it could be written this way… (h1 A heading) (p This is (strong awefully) nice.) (h2 Another heading) Writing a

Re: [dev] Usable typesetting system?

2010-08-22 Thread yy
I'm using a Markdown-like language to write my phd thesis in LaTeX (I have already used it for my master thesis and several scientific papers). Some day I should probably clean all my stuff and release something, but at this moment is a very ad-hoc thing. Basicly an awk script (find attached)

Re: [dev] A language similar to Markdown that sucks less

2010-08-22 Thread David J Patrick
On 10-08-22 11:52 AM, Alexander Teinum wrote: I didn’t want to start a completely off-topic discussion in the typesetting thread, so I created a new thread. I’m playing with the idea of creating a language that is simple to read like Markdown, but that has a stricter syntax. It looks like Common

Re: [dev] Usable typesetting system?

2010-08-22 Thread Jimmy Tang
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 03:29:35PM +0200, Alexander Teinum wrote: I want to use Markdown for writing university documents, but it lacks features such as table of contents, list of figures, and reference lists. HTML is not something I would choose for output format, since it doesn?t know the

Re: [dev] A language similar to Markdown that sucks less

2010-08-22 Thread Alexander Teinum
What doesn’t work well for me, is that I cannot easily extend Markdown. The design that I propose is simpler and more strict. All tags work the same way. The input is close to a data structure, and it doesn’t need complex parsing. The drawback is that tables and lists need more characters: p

Re: [dev] A language similar to Markdown that sucks less

2010-08-22 Thread David J Patrick
On 10-08-22 12:37 PM, Alexander Teinum wrote: What doesn’t work well for me, is that I cannot easily extend Markdown. The design that I propose is simpler and more strict. All tags work the same way. The input is close to a data structure, and it doesn’t need complex parsing. The drawback is

Re: [dev] A language similar to Markdown that sucks less

2010-08-22 Thread Aurélien Aptel
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Alexander Teinum atei...@gmail.com wrote: That’s the idea. I’d like to discuss the language here; the syntax and implementation details. Maybe it has already been done. Maybe the idea sucks. Have you heard of SexpCode?

Re: [dev] A language similar to Markdown that sucks less

2010-08-22 Thread Anh Hai Trinh
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Alexander Teinum atei...@gmail.com wrote: I didn’t want to start a completely off-topic discussion in the typesetting thread, so I created a new thread. I’m playing with the idea of creating a language that is simple to read like Markdown, but that has a

Re: [dev] A language similar to Markdown that sucks less

2010-08-22 Thread Kurt H Maier
This just looks like POD all over again. Which is fine, as POD works well, but can someone explain to me why we need sixty thousand metamarkup languages? You're never going to make one that sucks less. Metamarkup is a sucky idea in the first place. Markdown sucks because it only implements a

Re: [dev] A language similar to Markdown that sucks less

2010-08-22 Thread Alexander Teinum
pandoc extends markdown and has some table support, It does have lots of extensions that I miss in the standard Markdown, so that’s a good point. Still, I’d like to have a minimalistic tool for this that is 100 % based on functions. Have you heard of SexpCode? No, but that looks very

Re: [dev] A language similar to Markdown that sucks less

2010-08-22 Thread Troels Henriksen
Alexander Teinum atei...@gmail.com writes: Maybe the idea sucks. You've missed the point of Markdown, which is readable plaintext that looks much like an email of Usenet post would. Your language seems fine, but it's not a useful replacement for Markdown, because it's clearly aimed at

Re: [dev] Usable typesetting system?

2010-08-22 Thread Suraj Kurapati
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 4:15 AM, Martin Kopta mar...@kopta.eu wrote: I am currently looking for some replacement with: * input as plain text (NOT xml) * simple syntax/commands/language * output as PDF (acceptable as thesis), may be indirectly * usable compilator (readable overall output,

Re: [dev] A language similar to Markdown that sucks less

2010-08-22 Thread Alexander Teinum
TeX is great unless you've got some kind of aversion to learning how to do what you want to do.  troff is the same way. I have used TeX for a university paper, and I think the result looked great. I might use this language to generate TeX, HTML, … Most likely my project will die, since that

Re: [dev] A language similar to Markdown that sucks less

2010-08-22 Thread yy
2010/8/22 Alexander Teinum atei...@gmail.com: I think the parser should be implemented in Go. Why? It looks like something much easier to do with lisp. -- - yiyus || JGL . 4l77.com

Re: [dev] A language similar to Markdown that sucks less

2010-08-22 Thread Alexander Teinum
I think the parser should be implemented in Go. Why? It looks like something much easier to do with lisp. Good point, and that might be true, but I want to do it in Go because… 1. I want to learn Go – I haven’t had a chance to try it yet. 2. My guess is that it will execute faster when

Re: [dev] [sic] port argument necessary?

2010-08-22 Thread Jimmy Tang
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 03:31:19PM -0700, Robert Ransom wrote: On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 07:37:28 +1000 Ramana Kumar ramana.ku...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Josh! Does anyone know whether ircd is supposed to be set up properly on Linux? I can tell you that it doesn't get done on Arch, at least.

Re: [dev] A language similar to Markdown that sucks less

2010-08-22 Thread Joseph Xu
On 8/22/2010 12:47 PM, David J Patrick wrote: On 10-08-22 12:37 PM, Alexander Teinum wrote: What doesn’t work well for me, is that I cannot easily extend Markdown. The design that I propose is simpler and more strict. All tags work the same way. The input is close to a data structure, and it

[dev] [surf] Why enable spatial navigation?

2010-08-22 Thread Matthew Bauer
Why does surf by default have spatial navigation[1] enabled? I would think most users would want the up key to move the page up and the down key to move the page down. [1]: http://webkitgtk.org/reference/webkitgtk-WebKitWebSettings.html#WebKitWebSettings--enable-spatial-navigation diff -r

Re: [dev] A language similar to Markdown that sucks less

2010-08-22 Thread David Tweed
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Joseph Xu joseph...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/22/2010 12:47 PM, David J Patrick wrote: On 10-08-22 12:37 PM, Alexander Teinum wrote: What doesn’t work well for me, is that I cannot easily extend Markdown. The design that I propose is simpler and more strict. All

Re: [dev] [surf] Why enable spatial navigation?

2010-08-22 Thread Matthew Bauer
Some web apps use the arrow keys to navigate, like Google Spreadsheets. On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Alex Puterbaugh puterbau...@gmail.comwrote: Personal taste I guess. There are existing keybinds for scrolling that you can change in config.h, so I guess enabling spatial navigation

Re: [dev] [surf] Why enable spatial navigation?

2010-08-22 Thread Josh Rickmar
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 04:19:10PM -0400, Alex Puterbaugh wrote: Personal taste I guess. There are existing keybinds for scrolling that you can change in config.h, so I guess enabling spatial navigation allows the best of both worlds or something. It also means that you can't then use left

[dev] Re: [surf] Why enable spatial navigation?

2010-08-22 Thread Matthew Bauer
I just realized there was some extra stuff in the patch. A fixed version is attached. On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Matthew Bauer mjbaue...@gmail.com wrote: Why does surf by default have spatial navigation[1] enabled? I would think most users would want the up key to move the page up and

Re: [dev] [surf] Why enable spatial navigation?

2010-08-22 Thread Alex Puterbaugh
Personal taste I guess. There are existing keybinds for scrolling that you can change in config.h, so I guess enabling spatial navigation allows the best of both worlds or something. On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 02:26:13PM -0500, Matthew Bauer wrote: Why does surf by default have spatial

Re: [dev] Usable typesetting system?

2010-08-22 Thread Martin Kopta
Also, work with images is pretty much impossible Can you elaborate? Do you mean that it is hard to draw an image or it is hard to include an image or it is hard to predict where the image will end up in the document? I meant that placing images is pretty much imposible and if you try

Re: [dev] Usable typesetting system?

2010-08-22 Thread Martin Kopta
[1] http://lout.wiki.sourceforge.net/ Very interesting, thank you. dum8d0g pgpeAHfLIXWfY.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [dev] Usable typesetting system?

2010-08-22 Thread Martin Kopta
Are you planning on writing any papers (effectively, do you plan to become an academic)? If so, it's worth bearing in mind that some subject areas tend to distribute the conference/journal/arxiv style as LaTeX packages; Good point. TeX being de facto standard in academic field may be

Re: [dev] flo - a command line program for organizing events, to-dos, and deadlines

2010-08-22 Thread sqweek
On 16 August 2010 02:49, anonymous ya6io...@lavabit.com wrote: I don't think this should be written in shell scripting language: it is not too easy to calculate what date it will be tomorrow without libc and it should be very fast. I wanted to do some date manipulation in rc awhile back and

[dev] st on OpenBSD?

2010-08-22 Thread Anthony J. Bentley
Hi guys, I am interested in using st on OpenBSD, but it does not compile since OpenBSD does not implement posix_openpt et al: st.c: In function 'ttynew': st.c:243: warning: implicit declaration of function 'posix_openpt' st.c:245: warning: implicit declaration of function 'grantpt' st.c:247:

Re: [dev] Usable typesetting system?

2010-08-22 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Martin Kopta mar...@kopta.eu wrote: Problem is designing page layout by your own will, which is kind of /unsupported/. That's because TeX is supposed to do the page layout. If you want such fine-grained control, use a desktop publishing suite like Quark XPress

Re: [dev] Re: Digest of dev@suckless.org issue 40 (5783-5832)

2010-08-22 Thread Suraj Kurapati
Please trim your quoted text and do not top-post. http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/top-post.html