Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-26 Thread pranomestro
> I have experienced complete system freezes when unplugging displays > with quite recent (2014) MacBooks and current OSX versions. btw, I always had a lot of fun going to the local apple store, muting a mac and typing cat /dev/urandom in the terminal, which caused the mac (i don't know the exact

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-25 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 26 October 2016 at 02:05, wrote: > On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 12:53:36PM +0200, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> To bring it to one sentence, Apple is about providing their stuff as >> incompatible as possible with all non-Apple stuff. […] proceeds with >> the keyboard layout, > >

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-25 Thread alp
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 12:53:36PM +0200, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > To bring it to one sentence, Apple is about providing their stuff as > incompatible as possible with all non-Apple stuff. […] proceeds with > the keyboard layout, Unh, other than swapping Mod1 and Mod4, they've usually been the

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-25 Thread hiro
i don't care about their sins. their keyboard and their software is unusable, the rest doesn't matter enough.

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-25 Thread stephen Turner
while my mac experience is limited to only 1 year, i can say that sticking to mavericks (10.9.5) and el capitan (10.11.6) have been exceptionally stable. Some antivirus programs such as mcafee have been known to corrupt files on the mac as was our issue previously but have since switched to a

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-25 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 25 October 2016 at 13:34, Laslo Hunhold wrote: > what are the really compelling reasons for a Mac user to make the > switch to Linux/BSD? How can we convince people to make the switch? The only reason for an experienced Mac user doing the switch is, because he wants to gain

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-25 Thread Cág
Laslo Hunhold wrote: How can we convince people to make the switch? Should we? I became a Unix/Linux user because I got tired of BSODs. Let them experience such moments with their systems and if they won't then it's okay. After all, does it make sense how many people use what we use? My

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-25 Thread Laslo Hunhold
On Tue, 25 Oct 2016 12:53:36 +0200 Anselm R Garbe wrote: Hey Anselm, > I kind of disagree here. I'm using both, PC laptops and MacBooks and > besides the aluminium case and the screen, MacBooks are in no way > superior or more reliable than the competition -- both in terms >

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-25 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 23 October 2016 at 23:44, Laslo Hunhold wrote: > "People who are really serious about software should make their > own hardware." > > And this approach works: Macs are reliable and used to be very reliable > machines, as already pointed out in this thread IBM

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-24 Thread Kurt Van Dijck
> not to mention > the bad design of their hardware and it's overprice. I use a Airbook (version 2012) hardware (without MacOSX, only slackware). I observed proper hardware design. Technically comparable alternatives are (at least) equally priced. Show me a laptop that has no defect in its ACPI

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-23 Thread Martin Kühne
Btw, Laslo's post reminded me that I in fact posted this article about the topic on my feed. cheers! mar77i [0] https://medium.com/chris-messina/silicon-valley-is-all-wrong-about-the-airpods-8204ede08f0f#.9ro6pge1w

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-23 Thread Laslo Hunhold
On Fri, 21 Oct 2016 21:54:04 +0200 lukáš Hozda wrote: Hello Lukáš, > Do you know about some bad things Apple has done in their pursuit of > ever-increasing profits? Do you know about ways Apple is against free > and open-source software? Please let me know. Naturally, if

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-23 Thread Hadrien LACOUR
While this can seem relatively unimportant to some, the use of proprietary screws (Pentalobe) really does sum up Apple's stance toward its client base.

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-23 Thread lukáš Hozda
Hello, thank you for all your great answers. They are greatly appreciated and help a lot. >This thread is, as I somewhat expected, a total train wreck. > >Replying with regard to technical criticism regarding osx, because >literally *none* of the claims could be substancially supported by >even

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-23 Thread Martin Kühne
On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Markus Teich wrote: > Martin Kühne wrote: >> TL;DR, while I'm sure most of this stuff holds further scrutiny, I just doubt >> it's generally a good idea to list so many problems while providing no >> technical context whatsoever. > >

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-23 Thread Markus Teich
Martin Kühne wrote: > TL;DR, while I'm sure most of this stuff holds further scrutiny, I just doubt > it's generally a good idea to list so many problems while providing no > technical context whatsoever. Heyho Martin, I didn't want to do the whole schoolwork for Lukáš, so I just gave a

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-22 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi Luk, On 21 October 2016 at 21:54, lukáš Hozda wrote: > I am not very familiar with the usage of mailing lists and unsure > whether this is the right place to post this request, but just like > the title says, I am collecting the sins of Apple. I will be having a >

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-22 Thread Martin Kühne
This thread is, as I somewhat expected, a total train wreck. Replying with regard to technical criticism regarding osx, because literally *none* of the claims could be substancially supported by even anyone else's analysis or facts. So most of what I read about apple technically, I'm referring to

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-22 Thread Markus Teich
lukáš Hozda wrote: > Do you know about some bad things Apple has done in their pursuit of > ever-increasing profits? Do you know about ways Apple is against free and > open-source software? Please let me know. Naturally, if you know about some > good deeds of Apple, I accept them as well. Heyho

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-21 Thread Nathan Edson
> I just read an article [1] saying that IBM saved a significant > amount of money thanks to the fact that they partially switched > to Macs from PCs. Depending on the perspective, saving money could still be considered a sin. -- Nathan GPG: 42AD 5FB1 4EC0 4AF7 0457 D9B8 5F3E 4106 A182

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-21 Thread Ammar James
I have never been able to have my Linux client access folders and files shared under Mac OS X Samba server. Apple replaced Samba with SMBX, their home-cooked application for Windows File Sharing. By default, it also doesn't do much logging. If you want to review logs, you'll have to edit the

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-21 Thread Sergey Matveev
https://stallman.org/apple.html

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-21 Thread pranomestro
lukáš Hozda wrote: http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/operating-systems/osx/ http://aiju.de/rant/os/osx > Hello suckless folks, > > I am not very familiar with the usage of mailing lists and unsure > whether this is the right place to post this request, but just like > the

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-21 Thread Ali H. Fardan
One of the biggest failures they have, is they're unable to develop their own OS/Software by themselves, see their source tree[0], it's just GNU utils, BSD utils, and other stolen parts, not to mention the bad design of their hardware and it's overprice. On 2016-10-21 22:54, lukáš Hozda wrote:

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-21 Thread Silvan Jegen
On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 09:54:04PM +0200, lukáš Hozda wrote: > Do you know about some bad things Apple has done in their pursuit of > ever-increasing profits? Do you know about ways Apple is against free > and open-source software? Please let me know. Naturally, if you know > about some good deeds

Re: [dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-21 Thread Mateusz Piotrowski
Hi, On 21 Oct 2016, at 21:54, lukáš Hozda wrote: > Naturally, if you know about some good deeds of Apple, I accept > them as well. I just read an article [1] saying that IBM saved a significant amount of money thanks to the fact that they partially switched to Macs from PCs. Cheers, -m

[dev] Collecting sins of Apple

2016-10-21 Thread lukáš Hozda
Hello suckless folks, I am not very familiar with the usage of mailing lists and unsure whether this is the right place to post this request, but just like the title says, I am collecting the sins of Apple. I will be having a speech/presentation on problems of Apple the next week at my school