On 6/25/11, Connor Lane Smith c...@lubutu.com wrote:
Progress update. You can edit things, but we don't have the B-tree in
place yet, so I'm mostly working on the peripherals. I'll set up a
repo very soon, though aside from my UTF-8 and display abstraction
library I have little to show, yet.
Progress update. You can edit things, but we don't have the B-tree in
place yet, so I'm mostly working on the peripherals. I'll set up a
repo very soon, though aside from my UTF-8 and display abstraction
library I have little to show, yet.
Here's a little screenshot of the aesthetic I'm going
[2011-06-17 16:24] Martin Kühl martin.ku...@gmail.com
Consider ex
mode. How do you edit text in it? You don't have normal mode to help
you, it only operates on real buffers, and you certainly don't have
ex mode available. If ex mode were just a command buffer, you could
use every piece of
The plan for swk was to move all drawing stuff to draw.c at some point. I will
be happy to hear from what you are writing for.
I stopped writing it because i didnt wanted to reimplement a text editor stuff..
But i think that conceptually swk can fit well in different emvironments like
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 09:34:42 +0100
garbeam garb...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 June 2011 09:21, pancake panc...@youterm.com wrote:
The plan for swk was to move all drawing stuff to draw.c at some point. I
will be happy to hear from what you are writing for.
I stopped writing it because i didnt
On 18 June 2011 09:44, Robert Ransom rransom.8...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 09:34:42 +0100
garbeam garb...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18 June 2011 09:21, pancake panc...@youterm.com wrote:
The plan for swk was to move all drawing stuff to draw.c at some point. I
will be happy to hear
On 18 June 2011 09:34, garbeam garb...@gmail.com wrote:
The closest thing that came to my mind is this idea of seeing swk as a
curses replacement. With this, the clients that are written with it,
could also run perfectly fine in text mode, but if you have a
graphical environment at hand, the
hi,
Whether or not your keyboard has a page up/down key is a bit moot;
the point is that an editor should have under 10 keybindings: up,
down, left, right (C-hjkl), page up and down (C-uv), save and quite
(and search and search-and-replace (if you are feeling luxurious)).
you are wrong
[2011-06-15 08:12] Peter John Hartman peterjohnhart...@gmail.com
Why would you want several editors?
For the same reason we want Unix's manifold toolchain and for the same
reason we want several programming languages: Because ``One fits all''
is an illusion.
The problem with vi and mutt is
On 06/17/2011 10:37 AM, markus schnalke wrote:
For the same reason we want Unix's manifold toolchain and for the same
reason we want several programming languages: Because ``One fits all''
is an illusion.
Then try to figure out some basic tools that you can glue together to
form a fully
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Nicolai Waniek roc...@rochus.net wrote:
On 06/17/2011 10:37 AM, markus schnalke wrote:
For the same reason we want Unix's manifold toolchain and for the same
reason we want several programming languages: Because ``One fits all''
is an illusion.
Then try to
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:51 AM, David Tweed david.tw...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Nicolai Waniek roc...@rochus.net wrote:
On 06/17/2011 10:37 AM, markus schnalke wrote:
For the same reason we want Unix's manifold toolchain and for the same
reason we want several
[2011-06-15 14:47] Connor Lane Smith c...@lubutu.com
On 15 June 2011 12:26, markus schnalke mei...@marmaro.de wrote:
What's the difference between a mode and a ``quasimode''?
What's the difference between shift and caps lock?
I disagree with this analogy. Shift is no quasimode.
In vi, you
[2011-06-17 09:54] David Tweed david.tw...@gmail.com
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:51 AM, David Tweed david.tw...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Nicolai Waniek roc...@rochus.net wrote:
On 06/17/2011 10:37 AM, markus schnalke wrote:
For the same reason we want Unix's manifold
On 17 June 2011 10:07, markus schnalke mei...@marmaro.de wrote:
I disagree with this analogy. Shift is no quasimode.
Yes it is.
Likewise you enter ex mode (i.e. last-line
mode), which you consider a quasimode
No, you misunderstand completely: I don't consider ex mode `quasi'.
What I said was
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 03:16:00PM +0100, Connor Lane Smith wrote:
I'm writing a simple UI abstraction library, sort of like swk meets
draw.c, in that it's completely platform-agnostic (so we can port it
to other things than Xlib), but doesn't use widgets, you just draw
things. This has the
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Nick suckless-...@njw.me.uk wrote:
I haven't used it,
so don't know it's level of suckiness, but might cairo work?
No.
--
# Kurt H Maier
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:49:12AM -0400, Kurt H Maier wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Nick suckless-...@njw.me.uk wrote:
I haven't used it,
so don't know it's level of suckiness, but might cairo work?
No.
maybe check out animator: http://repo.hu/projects/animator/
disclaimers:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:49:12AM -0400, Kurt H Maier wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Nick suckless-...@njw.me.uk wrote:
I haven't used it,
so don't know it's level of suckiness, but might cairo work?
No.
Guessed that would be the case, just throwing it out there
;)
Connor's
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 6:29 AM, Nick suckless-...@njw.me.uk wrote:
But if we're thinking about
breaking from the terminal, how would remote editing work?
Some sort of ssh piping from / to the file on the server?
I haven't thought this through, but it's certainly a usecase
which would be nice
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 07:15:22AM -0800, Andrew Hills wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 6:29 AM, Nick suckless-...@njw.me.uk wrote:
But if we're thinking about
breaking from the terminal, how would remote editing work?
Some sort of ssh piping from / to the file on the server?
I haven't
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 07:15:22AM -0800, Andrew Hills wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 6:29 AM, Nick suckless-...@njw.me.uk wrote:
But if we're thinking about
breaking from the terminal, how would remote editing work?
Some sort of ssh piping from / to the file on the server?
I haven't
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Rob robpill...@gmail.com wrote:
sshfs?
That's what I use, personally, but some people hate it, and it's not
always available. I prefer to see the network latency when I'm
actually reading or writing the file rather than seeing my editor
freeze, though, so I
Just a few points from random things in this thread...
Someone said they want cut and paste to be put to tmux, X, etc...
I don't know that X or tmux have anything more than mark and copy to
clipboard. The rest is handled by the program in them.
Also the modeless second window isn't a bad idea,
On 17 June 2011 15:24, Martin Kühl martin.ku...@gmail.com wrote:
If ex mode were just a command buffer, you could
use every piece of functionality your editor provided, maybe even open
another command buffer operating on the current one.
I'd not even considered this possibility, but you're
Quoth Rob:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 07:15:22AM -0800, Andrew Hills wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 6:29 AM, Nick suckless-...@njw.me.uk wrote:
But if we're thinking about
breaking from the terminal, how would remote editing work?
Some sort of ssh piping from / to the file on the server?
hi,
Whether or not your keyboard has a page up/down key is a bit moot;
the point is that an editor should have under 10 keybindings: up,
down, left, right (C-hjkl), page up and down (C-uv), save and quite
(and search and search-and-replace (if you are feeling luxurious)).
you are wrong and/or
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Peter John Hartman
peterjohnhart...@gmail.com wrote:
A simple editor probably shouldn't have any more keybindings than, say,
surf; in fact one or two less: page up/down, up/right/left/down, and find.
One doesn't need modes for that. If you want to do
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 09:27:38AM +0200, Mate Nagy wrote:
hi,
Whether or not your keyboard has a page up/down key is a bit moot;
the point is that an editor should have under 10 keybindings: up,
down, left, right (C-hjkl), page up and down (C-uv), save and quite
(and search and
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 4:15 AM, David Tweed david.tw...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm going to assume that what you mean by The editor doesn't need to
do this. is the computer user doesn't benefit from having undo in
the editor rather than a version control;
invalid assumption. what he meant was 'the
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 4:15 AM, David Tweed david.tw...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm going to assume that what you mean by The editor doesn't need to
do this. is the computer user doesn't benefit from having undo in
the editor
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 02:18:01PM +0100, David Tweed wrote:
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 4:15 AM, David Tweed david.tw...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm going to assume that what you mean by The editor doesn't need to
do this. is
[2011-06-12 18:55] Martin Kühl martin.ku...@gmail.com
[...] command-quasimode [...]
[...] mostly modeless.
[2011-06-12 22:38] Connor Lane Smith c...@lubutu.com
For substitution I'm tempted to just add a keybind to switch to and
from the command pane, which appears at the bottom of the view
Still I wonder why you try so much to stay modeless. Modes are a real
advantage because each mode offers a separate editor. Take vi: You can
edit in normal mode (= the actual vi mode) or in ex mode or in insert
mode (e.g. with ^W, ^U). You have the choice which editor (mode) you
use for some
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Peter John Hartman
peterjohnhart...@gmail.com wrote:
A simple editor probably shouldn't have any more keybindings than, say,
surf; in fact one or two less: page up/down, up/right/left/down, and find.
One doesn't need modes for that. If you want to do something
On 15 June 2011 12:26, markus schnalke mei...@marmaro.de wrote:
What's the difference between a mode and a ``quasimode''?
What's the difference between shift and caps lock?
Surely, the problems are knowing in which mode you're in and switching
modes. But in return, each mode lets you re-use
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 02:47:55PM +0100, Connor Lane Smith wrote:
My view of that kind of editing is, you select the third word in the
fourth sentence (either by leaping or with the mouse), hop over to the
command buffer (Ctrl-Tab?), and run `x/[aeiou]/d'. If you want
something weird like
- Original message -
Still I wonder why you try so much to stay modeless. Modes are a real
advantage because each mode offers a separate editor. Take vi: You can
edit in normal mode (= the actual vi mode) or in ex mode or in insert
mode (e.g. with ^W, ^U). You have the choice which
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Jon bradley weat...@gmail.com wrote:
I own a keyboard that has no pgup/pgdn, or arrow keys.
Did you steal it from a museum?
--Andrew Hills
A simple editor probably shouldn't have any more keybindings than, say,
surf; in fact one or two less: page up/down, up/right/left/down, and find.
One doesn't need modes for that. If you want to do something wacked out to
your file (like go to the third word on the 4th sentence and delete
* Andrew Hills hills...@gmail.com [2011-06-15 11:51:17 -0400]:
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Jon bradley weat...@gmail.com wrote:
I own a keyboard that has no pgup/pgdn, or arrow keys.
Did you steal it from a museum?
you don't have to go to a musem for that
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Szabolcs Nagy n...@port70.net wrote:
* Andrew Hills hills...@gmail.com [2011-06-15 11:51:17 -0400]:
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Jon bradley weat...@gmail.com wrote:
I own a keyboard that has no pgup/pgdn, or arrow keys.
Did you steal it from a museum?
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Andrew Hills hills...@gmail.com wrote:
That keyboard also doesn't have Ctrl... and I'm guessing no one here
will bother porting the editor to an Android app.
Nokia n900/n810 have no pgdn or pgup, but do have ctrl and arrows.
--
# Kurt H Maier
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 05:03:23PM -0400, Kurt H Maier wrote:
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Andrew Hills hills...@gmail.com wrote:
That keyboard also doesn't have Ctrl... and I'm guessing no one here
will bother porting the editor to an Android app.
Nokia n900/n810 have no pgdn or pgup,
plus mark, cut and paste.
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Peter John Hartman
peterjohnhart...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 05:03:23PM -0400, Kurt H Maier wrote:
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Andrew Hills hills...@gmail.com
wrote:
That keyboard also doesn't have Ctrl...
On 06/15/11 21:24, Andrew Hills wrote:
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Szabolcs Nagyn...@port70.net wrote:
* Andrew Hillshills...@gmail.com [2011-06-15 11:51:17 -0400]:
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Jon bradleyweat...@gmail.com wrote:
I own a keyboard that has no pgup/pgdn, or arrow
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Piotr Zalewa zal...@gmail.com wrote:
I use G2 as an emergency when I need to edit via SSH.
it works well with vi.
I have a Motorola Droid on which I use vi over SSH on a regular basis.
It is extremely painless.
--Andrew Hills
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 00:05, Connor Lane Smith c...@lubutu.com wrote:
My plan, then, is to write an editor for X, which although
(almost-)modeless, is extremely fast to use. (I say `almost' because
search, for instance, is a mode, but is at the users' locus of
attention. I may also make
On 12 June 2011 18:55, Martin Kühl martin.ku...@gmail.com wrote:
Have you considered a command-quasimode? That way you could keep
vi-style composeable commands and stay mostly modeless.
Yes, this is possible -- I was wondering whether we could fit in
command composition. A quasimode would work
The editor uses interactive structural regular expressions, somewhat
like sam, only with more visual support. Say you run the command
`x/re/'; a special `match' buffer will open containing the matching
lines and line numbers (and in the case of X Y, their file names
too), allowing you to
On 13 June 2011 03:25, Leon leondistef...@gmail.com wrote:
x doesn't necessarily match lines; it chunks the file arbitrarily. The
chunks could potentially be huge.
Of course; I just meant the matches and their addresses.
Also, another buffer seems unwieldy.
Still, perhaps a non-contiguous
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Rafa Garcia Gallego
rafael.garcia.gall...@gmail.com wrote:
I like the idea of structural regex, but I haven't used sam much. The
match buffer sounds a bit emacs-y for my taste. I doubt emacs has
something exactly like that; then again I am more of a vi(m) guy so
After seeing words very experimental, I'm willing to share some
ideas, maybe too controversial otherwise for suckless folk ;)
First of all, check Recdit[1] editor. It's Mac OS X app, but nice paper
and short video is available. It has some unique features.
Is vertical side by side layout stupid
+--- Paul Onyschuk ---+
[...]
I love the text editor Sam. There is one problem with it - it's stack
based WM over stack based WM. How to resolve this issue? Just look at
so called distraction-free editors like FocusWriter[2] - using full
screen is a feature.
if
On 10 June 2011 08:54, Rafa Garcia Gallego
rafael.garcia.gall...@gmail.com wrote:
What do you mean by that? Is there an experimental way to view,
insert, change, delete text? I've read below about the multiple views
and all, is that one of the research-y ideas? Just curious.
Well, you can't
Paul Onyschuk bl...@bojary.koba.pl writes:
It has been discussed before[1]. With Sam regexps, own window manager
can be handy. Some quotes:
Russ Cox rsc at swtch.com wrote:
The die hard sam users would disagree vehemently with you.
The nice thing about sam is that it's one window, not
Hey all,
I'd like to include those of you who aren't in IRC in the discussion
we're having wrt writing a new text editor. We do already have Sandy
of course, and I think Rafa is doing a great job, but there are a
couple of reasons why I don't think it will for me replace Vi:
1. Curses: it has
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