Re: EV guidelines

2007-02-04 Thread Florian Weimer
* Eddy Nigg: According to my reading of Verisign's CPS, the site visit is not required if the applicant can prove that it's incorporated at the given address. Mmmhh, may I ask, what exactly has the Verisign CPS to do with the EV guidelines? I was under the impression that the EV appndexi

Re: Study questions EV certs effectiveness?

2007-02-04 Thread Dan Veditz
Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) wrote: But also back and again...EV is a business plan! It has nothing to do with the supposed verification procedures, because the procedures existed in similar forms already...any CA is free to pick these procedures as their own and start issuing certificates

Re: Flowchart covering SSL checks, error states, dialogs

2007-02-04 Thread Dan Veditz
Nelson B wrote: These proposals are all now about a year old. They were barred from consideration for FF2. Let's hope they will be considered for FF3. Redesigning the security UI is a P1 for Firefox 3. Redoing the errors was explicitly added as a line item when we went over the plan this

Re: EV guidelines

2007-02-04 Thread Ben Bucksch
Boris Zbarsky wrote: Ben Bucksch wrote: See below. Natural persons have a passport As pointed out several times now, this is not strictly true. I argued that * the difference is not serious in this case. It may actually be relevant (if you don't pay for your children, you don't

Re: Study questions EV certs effectiveness?

2007-02-04 Thread Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)
Hi Dan, Dan Veditz wrote: Yes, they could but the presentation in the browser is exactly the same whether they do or don't. Why would they bother doing it the hard way? More and more CA's are apparently asking themselves that question. Well no! CA's did in the past and today offer thorough

Applicability of SSL / use-cases

2007-02-04 Thread Ben Bucksch
(Followup-To m.d.crypto) In private discussion, Eddy of StartCom suggested SSL CA certs for * internal sites (company webmail/IMAP, VPN etc.) * private discussion (blogs, forums, chat) * generally everything where you supply a login/password. I think other solutions are more

Applicability of SSL / use-cases

2007-02-04 Thread Ben Bucksch
(Followup-To m.d.t.crypto) In private discussion, Eddy of StartCom suggested SSL CA certs for * internal sites (company webmail/IMAP, VPN etc.) * private discussion (blogs, forums, chat) * generally everything where you supply a login/password. I think other solutions are more

Re: EV guidelines

2007-02-04 Thread Florian Weimer
* Eddy Nigg: if the EV guidelines require a site visit They don't, as far as I can tell. Evidence provided by a Qualified Indepedent Information Source (QIIS) is usually sufficent. Verisign seems to have copied this part of the guidelines verbatim. Now the interesting question is how much

Re: EV guidelines

2007-02-04 Thread Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)
Florian Weimer wrote: They don't, as far as I can tell. Evidence provided by a Qualified Indepedent Information Source (QIIS) is usually sufficent. Verisign seems to have copied this part of the guidelines verbatim. Guess whatthey wrote most of the guidelines by themselves! Now the

Re: Applicability of SSL / use-cases

2007-02-04 Thread Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)
Ben Bucksch wrote: If the above is accepted, it would need subtle UI changes, maybe small changes to NSS, maybe changes to the SSL PKI model (removal of expiry, keep only revocation). Well, I guess this discussion is somewhat pointless and your views about SSL are certainly unique. Also one

Re: EV guidelines

2007-02-04 Thread Florian Weimer
* Eddy Nigg: Is the current certificate on https://www.verisign.com/ an EV certificate? It lacks a physical address, which is required by (my reading of) the guidelines. Good catch! Hmm, street address seems to be optional after all. But I don't quite understand why the certificate

Re: EV guidelines

2007-02-04 Thread Florian Weimer
* Eddy Nigg: Certain is goodhasn't Verisign its own domain registry department? Conflict of interest? The guidelines explicitly forbids that they use themselves as a QIIS. (Which makes it kind of interesting how you issue your own certificate.) But everyone else could still use

Re: EV guidelines

2007-02-04 Thread Ben Bucksch
Florian Weimer wrote: The guidelines explicitly forbids that they use themselves as a QIIS. (Which makes it kind of interesting how you issue your own certificate.) I guess you have to look yourself up in the phonebook. (And discover how outdated/wrong it is.) -- When responding via