RE: Re: Google Trust Services Root Inclusion Request

2018-09-26 Thread Richard Wang via dev-security-policy
Sorry, I don't agree with this point. Ryan Sleevi is the Mozilla Module Peer that gave too many pressures to the M.D.S.P community to misleading the Community and to let Mozilla make the decision that Google want. There are two facts to support my opinion: (1) For StartCom sanction, Mozilla agr

RE: Re: Re: Google Trust Services Root Inclusion Request

2018-09-26 Thread Richard Wang via dev-security-policy
Hi Ryan, Thanks for your point out the link "https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA:WoSign_Issues'. I think I need to say more words about "misleading" and "lie". I like to expose some FACTs to show the public, to let public know who is misleading and lie. For the initiate WoSign issues email in M.D.S.

Re: Concerns with Dun & Bradstreet as a QIIS

2018-09-26 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
Thanks for raising this, Ian. The question and concern about QIIS is extremely reasonable. As discussed in past CA/Browser Forum activities, some CAs have extended the definition to treat Google Maps as a QIIS (it is not), as well as third-party WHOIS services (they’re not; that’s using a DTP). I

RE: Concerns with Dun & Bradstreet as a QIIS

2018-09-26 Thread Tim Hollebeek via dev-security-policy
There have been previous discussions about this very issue at CA/Browser Forum Validation Working Group meetings (see also draft Ballot 225). I think it is widely recognized that the rules around QIISs are far too weak and in need of improvement. I actually recently asked Kirk to add an item on t

Concerns with Dun & Bradstreet as a QIIS

2018-09-26 Thread Ian Carroll via dev-security-policy
Hi, In April and May of this year, I attempted to change the address listed in Dun & Bradstreet of my (Kentucky-incorporated) company "Stripe, Inc" to an address in Toledo, Ohio that did not exist (185 Berry Street Toledo Ohio). I was wondering the extent of validation Dun & Bradstreet would do

Re: InfoCert Acquisition of Camerfirma

2018-09-26 Thread David E. Ross via dev-security-policy
On 9/26/2018 3:21 PM, Wayne Thayer wrote: > I've held this discussion open for much longer than 3 weeks due to the > qualified audit reports that were received from Camerfirma. Since no > objections to the acquisition have been raised and the audit issues are > being discussed separately [1][2], I

Re: AC Camerfirma's CP & CPS disclosure

2018-09-26 Thread Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy
Hello Ramiro, On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 3:13 PM Wayne Thayer wrote: > Thank you for this response Ramiro. I have copied this to the bug [1] and > have described Mozilla's expectations for point-in-time audits that confirm > that these issues have been resolved. > > [1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/

Re: InfoCert Acquisition of Camerfirma

2018-09-26 Thread Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy
I've held this discussion open for much longer than 3 weeks due to the qualified audit reports that were received from Camerfirma. Since no objections to the acquisition have been raised and the audit issues are being discussed separately [1][2], I would like to close this discussion and the corres

Re: Google Trust Services Root Inclusion Request

2018-09-26 Thread Nick Lamb via dev-security-policy
On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 16:03:58 + Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy wrote: > Note that I didn’t say Google controlled the policy. However, as a > module peer, Google does have significant influence over the policy > and what CAs are trusted by Mozilla. Although everyone can > participate in

Re: Google Trust Services Root Inclusion Request

2018-09-26 Thread Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy
I'm disputing the conclusion that is being drawn from Jake's concerns, rather than the concerns themselves. Primarily, I disagree with the conclusion that because Google owns a browser with dominant market share and - due to the substantial contributions they make here - because Google has consider

Re: Google Trust Services Root Inclusion Request

2018-09-26 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 12:04 PM Jeremy Rowley wrote: > I also should also emphasize that I’m speaking as Jeremy Rowley, not as > DigiCert. > > > > Note that I didn’t say Google controlled the policy. However, as a module > peer, Google does have significant influence over the policy and what CAs

Re: Re: Google Trust Services Root Inclusion Request

2018-09-26 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
Hi Richard, A few corrections: On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 11:36 AM Richard Wang via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > Ryan mentioned WoSign/StartCom and 360, so I like to say some words. > > First, I think your idea is not a proper metaphor because 360 browser >

RE: Google Trust Services Root Inclusion Request

2018-09-26 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
I also should also emphasize that I’m speaking as Jeremy Rowley, not as DigiCert. Note that I didn’t say Google controlled the policy. However, as a module peer, Google does have significant influence over the policy and what CAs are trusted by Mozilla. Although everyone can participate in M

RE: Re: Google Trust Services Root Inclusion Request

2018-09-26 Thread Richard Wang via dev-security-policy
Ryan mentioned WoSign/StartCom and 360, so I like to say some words. First, I think your idea is not a proper metaphor because 360 browser can't compare to Google browser, Google browser have absolutely strong market share to say YES/NO to all CAs, but I am sure not to Google CA. Second, I thin

Re: Google Trust Services Root Inclusion Request

2018-09-26 Thread Fotis Loukos via dev-security-policy
On 26/09/2018 09:43 πμ, Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy wrote: > (While covered in https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA/Policy_Participants , I'm > going to emphasize that this response is in a personal capacity) > > On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 12:10 AM Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy < > dev-securit

Re: Incident Report - Misissuance of one certificate without DNS CAA authorization (Certigna)

2018-09-26 Thread josselin.allemandou--- via dev-security-policy
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