Re: Yet more undisclosed intermediates

2019-01-09 Thread Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 6:05 AM Rob Stradling wrote: > On 02/01/2019 22:40, Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy wrote: > > > Yes, the idea is that CT could remove the need to enforce intermediate > > disclosures via policy. > > Hi Wayne. That seems at odds with (my understanding of) the

Re: Yet more undisclosed intermediates

2019-01-09 Thread Rob Stradling via dev-security-policy
On 02/01/2019 14:10, Rob Stradling via dev-security-policy wrote: > On 02/01/2019 13:44, info--- via dev-security-policy wrote: >> We're reviewing what happened with this subCA, because it's reported to the >> CCADB (like all other subCAs). At the moment we've seen that there are two >>

Re: Yet more undisclosed intermediates

2019-01-07 Thread Rob Stradling via dev-security-policy
On 02/01/2019 22:40, Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy wrote: > Yes, the idea is that CT could remove the need to enforce intermediate > disclosures via policy. Hi Wayne. That seems at odds with (my understanding of) the purpose of the disclosure requirement. The relevant phrase in the

Re: Yet more undisclosed intermediates

2019-01-03 Thread Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy
On 03/01/2019 16:46, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On 2019-01-03 16:25, Jakob Bohm wrote: There is the date fields in the SubCA certificate itself, as well as any embedded CT data (assuming the parent CA is correctly CT-logged). Do you expect precertificates for CA certificates? I currently don't know

Re: Yet more undisclosed intermediates

2019-01-03 Thread Kurt Roeckx via dev-security-policy
On 2019-01-03 16:25, Jakob Bohm wrote: There is the date fields in the SubCA certificate itself, as well as any embedded CT data (assuming the parent CA is correctly CT-logged). Do you expect precertificates for CA certificates? I currently don't know if there are any requirements for logging

Re: Yet more undisclosed intermediates

2019-01-03 Thread Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy
On 02/01/2019 23:40, Wayne Thayer wrote: > On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 11:32 AM Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy < > dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > >> On 02/01/2019 17:17, Wayne Thayer wrote: >>> The options to consider are: >>> 1. Continue with current policy of treating

Re: Yet more undisclosed intermediates

2019-01-02 Thread Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy
On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 11:32 AM Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > On 02/01/2019 17:17, Wayne Thayer wrote: > > The options to consider are: > > 1. Continue with current policy of treating non-disclosure of > unconstrained > > intermediates as an

Re: Yet more undisclosed intermediates

2019-01-02 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 1:32 PM Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > > 2. Change our policy to state that any undisclosed intermediate we > discover > > will be immediately and permanently added to OneCRL. > > This needs adding some logical criteria,

Re: Yet more undisclosed intermediates

2019-01-02 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 11:18 AM Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > The options to consider are: > 1. Continue with current policy of treating non-disclosure of unconstrained > intermediates as an incident. This could eventually lead to having

Re: Yet more undisclosed intermediates

2019-01-02 Thread Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy
On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 7:10 AM Rob Stradling via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > On 02/01/2019 13:44, info--- via dev-security-policy wrote: > > El miércoles, 2 de enero de 2019, 12:49:52 (UTC+1), Rob Stradling > escribió: > >> On 09/10/2018 23:53, Wayne

Re: Yet more undisclosed intermediates

2019-01-02 Thread Rob Stradling via dev-security-policy
On 02/01/2019 13:44, info--- via dev-security-policy wrote: > El miércoles, 2 de enero de 2019, 12:49:52 (UTC+1), Rob Stradling escribió: >> On 09/10/2018 23:53, Wayne Thayer wrote: >>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 3:43 AM Rob Stradling wrote: >>> Wayne, Kathleen: >>> Given the number of

Re: Yet more undisclosed intermediates

2019-01-02 Thread info--- via dev-security-policy
El miércoles, 2 de enero de 2019, 12:49:52 (UTC+1), Rob Stradling escribió: > On 09/10/2018 23:53, Wayne Thayer wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 3:43 AM Rob Stradling wrote: > > Wayne, Kathleen: > > Given the number of times that all the CAs in Mozilla's Root Program > > have been

Re: Yet more undisclosed intermediates

2019-01-02 Thread Rob Stradling via dev-security-policy
On 09/10/2018 23:53, Wayne Thayer wrote: > On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 3:43 AM Rob Stradling wrote: > Wayne, Kathleen: > Given the number of times that all the CAs in Mozilla's Root Program > have been reminded about Mozilla's requirements for disclosing > intermediate certs, I wouldn't

Re: Yet more undisclosed intermediates

2018-10-10 Thread Rob Stradling via dev-security-policy
On 09/10/2018 23:53, Wayne Thayer wrote: >    - DigiCert > > Looks like DigiCert disclosed these within a few hours of your email. Yes, but I hope that DigiCert will provide an incident report so that we can understand why DigiCert's "processes in place to ensure that these requirements

Re: Yet more undisclosed intermediates

2018-10-09 Thread Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy
Thank you Rob. On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 3:43 AM Rob Stradling via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > "ACTION 6" of Mozilla's September 2018 CA Communication [1] reminded CAs > of the Mozilla Root Store Policy requirement [2] that > non-technically-constrained

Re: Yet more undisclosed intermediates [Telia]

2018-10-09 Thread Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy
[ Please reply to list, Mozilla NNTP<->mail gateway seems to insert wrong Reply-To ] Telia is a notable case as this seems to be a brand new Intermediary created but not disclosed 1 month ago. On 09/10/2018 12:43, Rob Stradling wrote: "ACTION 6" of Mozilla's September 2018 CA Communication [1]

Re: Yet more undisclosed intermediates [SwissSign]

2018-10-09 Thread Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy
[ Please reply to list, Mozilla NNTP<->mail gateway seems to insert wrong Reply-To ] It appears from the data that SwissSign has reacted to the requirement by starting to log some of their existing intermediaries in CT, instead of in CCADB. At least at a cursory glance. On 09/10/2018 12:43,

Yet more undisclosed intermediates

2018-10-09 Thread Rob Stradling via dev-security-policy
"ACTION 6" of Mozilla's September 2018 CA Communication [1] reminded CAs of the Mozilla Root Store Policy requirement [2] that non-technically-constrained intermediate CA certificates... "MUST be publicly disclosed in the CCADB by the CA that has their certificate included in Mozilla's