Proposing: Interactive Domain Verification Approval

2012-12-31 Thread Kai Engert
I propose to more actively involve users into the process of accepting certificates for domains. I envision a UI where users are required to approve once, whether the combination of a CA and a domain is acceptable to the user. The following UI would be shown whenever a user starts a connection to

Proposing: Interactive Domain Verification Approval

2012-12-31 Thread Kai Engert
I propose to more actively involve users into the process of accepting certificates for domains. I envision a UI where users are required to approve once, whether the combination of a CA and a domain is acceptable to the user. The following UI would be shown whenever a user starts a connection to

Re: Proposing: Interactive Domain Verification Approval

2012-12-31 Thread Eitan Adler
On 31 December 2012 10:18, Kai Engert wrote: > I propose to more actively involve users into the process of accepting > certificates for domains. > > I envision a UI where users are required to approve once, whether the > combination of a CA and a domain is acceptable to the user. > > The followin

Re: Proposing: Interactive Domain Verification Approval

2012-12-31 Thread Kai Engert
On Mon, 2012-12-31 at 10:38 -0500, Eitan Adler wrote: > * user gets confused: "what the heck is this screen"? It's good if users are educated what is going on. We could have a switch to completely turn this off, if the user really doesn't care. > * user realizes that pressing yes usually works

Re: Proposing: Interactive Domain Verification Approval

2012-12-31 Thread Eitan Adler
On 31 December 2012 11:06, Kai Engert wrote: > On Mon, 2012-12-31 at 10:38 -0500, Eitan Adler wrote: >> * user gets confused: "what the heck is this screen"? > > It's good if users are educated what is going on. How is adding another annoying not-going-to-be-read dialog "educating" users? > We c

Re: Proposing: Interactive Domain Verification Approval

2012-12-31 Thread Kai Engert
On Mon, 2012-12-31 at 11:17 -0500, Eitan Adler wrote: > Expect the user to click yes to every dialog if prompted without reading. > > [*] note, I am not talking about people like you or I that have an > understanding of the implications here. I am talking about the > typical user that studies ha

Re: Proposing: Interactive Domain Verification Approval

2012-12-31 Thread Eitan Adler
On 31 December 2012 11:23, Kai Engert wrote: > It could be an opt-in feature, advertised through some kind of > notification popup. http://patrol.psyced.org/ ? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/certificate-patrol/ ? -- Eitan Adler -- dev-tech-crypto mailing list dev-tech-crypto@

Re: Proposing: Interactive Domain Verification Approval

2012-12-31 Thread Kai Engert
On Mon, 2012-12-31 at 16:26 +0100, Kai Engert wrote: > I propose to more actively involve users into the process of accepting > certificates for domains. I propose the following in addition: Each CA certificate shall have a single country where the CA organization is physically located (they alr

Re: Proposing: Interactive Domain Verification Approval

2012-12-31 Thread Ryan Sleevi
On Mon, December 31, 2012 10:23 am, Kai Engert wrote: > On Mon, 2012-12-31 at 16:26 +0100, Kai Engert wrote: > > I propose to more actively involve users into the process of accepting > > certificates for domains. > > I propose the following in addition: > > Each CA certificate shall have a sing

Re: Proposing: Interactive Domain Verification Approval

2012-12-31 Thread Julien Pierre
Ryan, On 12/31/2012 11:43, Ryan Sleevi wrote: So far, the two proposals are: 1) Nag the user whenever they want to make a new secure connection. This nag screen is not shown over HTTP, so clearly, HTTP is preferable here. 2) Respect national borders on the Internet. If anything, the more user

Re: Proposing: Interactive Domain Verification Approval

2013-01-08 Thread helpcrypto helpcrypto
Hi Kyle, happy new year. I agree with you -users should learn-, but "showing and skipping" still happens (I love to think each day less). Instead of warning BEFORE openning page/conection, what about opening in a "safe mode" and a warning toolbar (similar to blocked popup) alerting about all this?

Re: Proposing: Interactive Domain Verification Approval

2013-01-10 Thread Florian Weimer
On 12/31/2012 07:23 PM, Kai Engert wrote: On Mon, 2012-12-31 at 16:26 +0100, Kai Engert wrote: I propose to more actively involve users into the process of accepting certificates for domains. I propose the following in addition: Each CA certificate shall have a single country where the CA org

Alternative pinning scheme. Re: Proposing: Interactive Domain Verification Approval

2013-01-05 Thread Anders Rundgren
On 2012-12-31 16:18, Kai Engert wrote: > I propose to more actively involve users into the process of accepting > certificates for domains. If we get away from garbage like , PKI-based authentication becomes a natural feature for mobile devices. This in itself render the mentioned attacks much le

Secure credit-card payments? Re: Proposing: Interactive Domain Verification Approval

2013-01-01 Thread Anders Rundgren
On 2012-12-31 16:26, Kai Engert wrote: > I propose to more actively involve users into the process of accepting > certificates for domains. Although the recent CA failures cast a shadow over the web they have AFAIK not led to any major losses for anybody. The credit-card system OTOH is a major so

Re: Secure credit-card payments? Re: Proposing: Interactive Domain Verification Approval

2013-01-02 Thread Julien Pierre
Anders, On 1/1/2013 12:47, Anders Rundgren wrote: Although the recent CA failures cast a shadow over the web they have AFAIK not led to any major losses for anybody. The credit-card system OTOH is a major source of losses and hassles. IMO the only parties that can fix it are the browser vendor

Re: Secure credit-card payments? Re: Proposing: Interactive Domain Verification Approval

2013-01-04 Thread Anders Rundgren
On 2013-01-03 01:28, Julien Pierre wrote: > Anders, > > On 1/1/2013 12:47, Anders Rundgren wrote: >> Although the recent CA failures cast a shadow over the web they have >> AFAIK not led to any major losses for anybody. The credit-card system >> OTOH is a major source of losses and hassles. IMO