Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Eric Smith
Seems generally reasonable to me. Is there a definition somewhere of what constitutes a critical path update? Eric -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Why is Coin3d version 3 and Pivy not in Fedora

2010-09-22 Thread Prasad H. L.
Hi, I was trying to find out why is coin3d version 3.1.3 (latest stable version) and its python binding (pivy) not in fedora. All I managed to get was a bugzilla thread https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?format=multipleid=458975 which was talking about getting coin3d version 3 for Fedora.

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:01:04PM -0700, Eric Smith wrote: Seems generally reasonable to me. Is there a definition somewhere of what constitutes a critical path update? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Critical_path_packages#Where_can_I_find_the_critical_path.3F -- Tomasz Torcz

Re: Why is Coin3d version 3 and Pivy not in Fedora

2010-09-22 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/22/2010 08:32 AM, Prasad H. L. wrote: Hi, I was trying to find out why is coin3d version 3.1.3 (latest stable version) and its python binding (pivy) not in fedora. All I managed to get was a bugzilla thread https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?format=multipleid=458975 which was

Re: Why is Coin3d version 3 and Pivy not in Fedora

2010-09-22 Thread Prasad H. L.
On 22 September 2010 13:29, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 09/22/2010 08:32 AM, Prasad H. L. wrote: Hi, I was trying to find out why is coin3d version 3.1.3 (latest stable version) and its python binding (pivy) not in fedora. All I managed to get was a bugzilla thread

Re: Why is Coin3d version 3 and Pivy not in Fedora

2010-09-22 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/22/2010 10:38 AM, Prasad H. L. wrote: On 22 September 2010 13:29, Ralf Corsepiusrc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 09/22/2010 08:32 AM, Prasad H. L. wrote: Hi, I was trying to find out why is coin3d version 3.1.3 (latest stable version) and its python binding (pivy) not in fedora. All I

Re: Why is Coin3d version 3 and Pivy not in Fedora

2010-09-22 Thread Prasad H. L.
On 22 September 2010 14:24, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote:  On 09/22/2010 10:38 AM, Prasad H. L. wrote: On 22 September 2010 13:29, Ralf Corsepiusrc040...@freenet.de  wrote: On 09/22/2010 08:32 AM, Prasad H. L. wrote: Hi, I was trying to find out why is coin3d version 3.1.3

Re: Why is Coin3d version 3 and Pivy not in Fedora

2010-09-22 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/22/2010 11:06 AM, Prasad H. L. wrote: On 22 September 2010 14:24, Ralf Corsepiusrc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 09/22/2010 10:38 AM, Prasad H. L. wrote: On 22 September 2010 13:29, Ralf Corsepiusrc040...@freenet.dewrote: On 09/22/2010 08:32 AM, Prasad H. L. wrote: Hi, I was

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 09:58:53PM -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: 2010/9/20 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com: 2010/9/21 Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com: As the concept of using third party repositories (both as packagers and as users) grows, this interdependence will grow. Ok, so

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2010/9/22 Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com: Maybe we should turn this around and ask why more people don't use Rawhide. Maybe because when I installed rawhide I lost my desktop icons? :) IMHO rawhide isn't the right answer for most users who wants just one new app. Rich. Regards, Michal

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 15:47 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Greetings. I'd like to ask for feedback and helping cleaning up an updates policy draft page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft How can

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 10:24 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: This is reasonably easy to fix: we should do some testing and withhold packages from Rawhide if they don't pass some basic sanity checks (eg. does it boot, can an X server be started). That's basically the proven testers process,

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 09:58:53PM -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: 2010/9/20 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com: 2010/9/21 Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com: As the concept of using third party repositories (both

Passing arguments into LDFLAGS

2010-09-22 Thread Paul F. Johnson
Hi, I know I can do the likes of export CFLAGS=$CFLAGS -blah and it will pass whatever CFLAGS is plus the argument -blah to the compiler. How do I do this with LDFLAGS. I'm trying to pass --build-id using export LDFLAGS=$LDFLAGS --build-id It's about the only way I can get mono to build

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 8:06 AM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 09:58:53PM -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: 2010/9/20 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com: 2010/9/21 Toshio Kuratomi

rawhide report: 20100922 changes

2010-09-22 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Wed Sep 22 08:15:25 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- almanah-0.7.3-3.fc14.x86_64 requires libedataserverui-1.2.so.10()(64bit) antlr3-python-3.1.2-7.fc14.noarch requires python(abi) = 0:2.6

Re: Passing arguments into LDFLAGS

2010-09-22 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/22/2010 02:08 PM, Paul F. Johnson wrote: Hi, I know I can do the likes of export CFLAGS=$CFLAGS -blah and it will pass whatever CFLAGS is plus the argument -blah to the compiler. How do I do this with LDFLAGS. Depends on a build-system's internals. I'm trying to pass --build-id

Re: Why is Coin3d version 3 and Pivy not in Fedora

2010-09-22 Thread Rich Mattes
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:16 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: [snip] Exactly - That's why I am wondering if the page you cite above is an outdated place holder or if this page current and brand new. It looks like the project updated its version number to 4.0.0a last year:

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 08:20 -0400, Brandon Lozza wrote: That's why I propose an easy way to install additional repos. I can't see a non tech savvy user installing the chromium browser on fedora, to be brutally honest. It's annoying having to hold their hand and walk them through it. I don't

[Bug 633737] perl-Padre-0.70 is available

2010-09-22 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 633737] perl-Padre-0.70 is available

2010-09-22 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 636514] File-HomeDir-0.93 bump

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Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/22/2010 05:06 AM, drago01 wrote: Well use rawhide for anything else than testing and/or developing the new release just do not fly. Some of the reasons I can think of: 1) To high rate of changes / breakage Not much one can do on this

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/22/2010 04:07 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 10:24 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: This is reasonably easy to fix: we should do some testing and withhold packages from Rawhide if they don't pass some basic sanity checks

[Bug 636518] New: JSON-XS-2.3 bump

2010-09-22 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 636518] JSON-XS-2.3 bump

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[Bug 633737] perl-Padre-0.70 is available

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[Bug 633737] perl-Padre-0.70 is available

2010-09-22 Thread bugzilla
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Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:07:24PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 10:24 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: This is reasonably easy to fix: we should do some testing and withhold packages from Rawhide if they don't pass some basic sanity checks (eg. does it boot, can an

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 02:06:12PM +0200, drago01 wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 09:58:53PM -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: 2010/9/20 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com: 2010/9/21 Toshio Kuratomi

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
I should add that whether this testing happens in Koji or in AutoQA isn't material. AutoQA is probably better. *Provided* that if the basic sanity tests fail they must prevent the packages from going into the Rawhide compose. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 12:48 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 15:47 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Greetings. I'd like to ask for feedback and helping cleaning up an updates policy draft page:

File Wx-Perl-ProcessStream-0.28.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by mmaslano

2010-09-22 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Wx-Perl-ProcessStream: 9a893347401af6e1c40b22c72d92b383 Wx-Perl-ProcessStream-0.28.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Wx-Perl-ProcessStream] - update, works with Wx 0.97

2010-09-22 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit d88ff6c709b6cfa9304002f8f9ca061da3d05381 Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com Date: Wed Sep 22 15:34:10 2010 +0200 - update, works with Wx 0.97 .gitignore |1 + perl-Wx-Perl-ProcessStream.spec |9 ++--- sources |

[Bug 636518] JSON-XS-2.3 bump

2010-09-22 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 636471] perl-Wx-Perl-ProcessStream-0.28 is available

2010-09-22 Thread bugzilla
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Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: I should add that whether this testing happens in Koji or in AutoQA isn't material.  AutoQA is probably better.  *Provided* that if the basic sanity tests fail they must prevent the packages from going into the

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Brandon Lozza
something like sidux, but fedora based im thinking stable f14 with the goodies stable vision blocks because people want stale software, and i'd rather not use rawhide or opensuse On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Brandon Lozza bran...@pwnage.ca wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Richard

Re: Passing arguments into LDFLAGS

2010-09-22 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/22/2010 08:08 AM, Paul F. Johnson wrote: Hi, I know I can do the likes of export CFLAGS=$CFLAGS -blah and it will pass whatever CFLAGS is plus the argument -blah to the compiler. How do I do this with LDFLAGS. I'm trying to pass

Java SIG meeting minutes from September 21st

2010-09-22 Thread Stanislav Ochotnicky
Meeting minutes from our second meeting. I reordered our wiki a bit to accomodate future meeting minutes and agendas (thanks to KDE SIG for template :-) ) I would like to know how many people wanted to attend but couldn't because of time. There are about 2x as many people written on our SIG page

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 8:06:12 AM, drag01 wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 09:58:53PM -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: 2010/9/20 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com: 2010/9/21 Toshio Kuratomi

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:35:01 +0200, Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote: - Avoid changing the user experence if at all possible. - this is too strong condition. In some cases fixing a bug might inevitable change the user experience and in some cases for example the user experience might

[Bug 633737] perl-Padre-0.70 is available

2010-09-22 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 633737] perl-Padre-0.70 is available

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Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote: This example is IMO wrong: - WebKit requires an update to solve a security problem. This requires updating Midori to a version with some minor menu layout changes. This would be a judgement call based on how intrusive the

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 15:18 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: 4) To much of manual fixing required 5) To many broken deps, which might prevent applying updates and security fixes 6) Some others that I can't think of right now might be a consequence of the above or something else I think

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 6:19:28 PM, Jesse wrote: On 09/22/2010 04:07 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 10:24 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: This is reasonably easy to fix: we should do some testing and withhold packages from Rawhide if they don't pass some basic

[Bug 633737] perl-Padre-0.70 is available

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Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:24:38 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: I use Rawhide on my laptop and one of my servers, so I'll tell you the answer to this: because critical components such as the kernel are often broken. IME this is because there is no testing of these

Re: Passing arguments into LDFLAGS

2010-09-22 Thread Garrett Holmstrom
Stephen Gallagher wrote: On 09/22/2010 08:08 AM, Paul F. Johnson wrote: I know I can do the likes of export CFLAGS=$CFLAGS -blah and it will pass whatever CFLAGS is plus the argument -blah to the compiler. How do I do this with LDFLAGS. I'm trying to pass --build-id using export

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 14:06:12 +0200, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: Some of the reasons I can think of: 2) No signed packages There is a plan to deal with that, but I am not sure what its current status is. 5) To many broken deps, which might prevent applying updates and security

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 09:59:51 -0400, Al Dunsmuir al.dunsm...@sympatico.ca wrote: If a second rawhide-specific staging repository (equivalent to updates-testing, so call it rawhide-testing) was added with some autoqa automation to prevent gratuitous problems (such as

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 15:34:34 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: No, I think you are wrong. First of all, I can see no benefit in pushing a package that cannot do its basic function to Rawhide. Even in Rawhide, no one wants a kernel that doesn't boot, even if in some

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/22/2010 04:14 PM, Al Dunsmuir wrote: On Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 6:19:28 PM, Jesse wrote: On 09/22/2010 04:07 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 10:24 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: This is reasonably easy to fix: we

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 16:09 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote: This example is IMO wrong: - WebKit requires an update to solve a security problem. This requires updating Midori to a version with some minor menu layout changes.

File PPIx-Regexp-0.011.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

2010-09-22 Thread Petr Pisar
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-PPIx-Regexp: 2c315aa4603e511cc9f4f69a535bb02f PPIx-Regexp-0.011.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-PPIx-Regexp] 0.011 bump

2010-09-22 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 429bb74e17b0e3b7a2e25331ae43097727dbc1b7 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Wed Sep 22 17:01:26 2010 +0200 0.011 bump .gitignore|1 + perl-PPIx-Regexp.spec | 14 ++ sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 12 insertions(+), 5

[Bug 636514] File-HomeDir-0.93 bump

2010-09-22 Thread bugzilla
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Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/22/2010 04:14 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: That would likely be an improvement, but have you thought through the interaction issues? Builds are rarely standalone, so we need to figure out which builds go with which other builds so they can be

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:01:02 +0200, Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote: I say that the example of Webkit should be removed because if it is not possible to backport the security patch and due to the version update Midori has to be updated to a new version regardless of the changes of user

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:05:30 +0200, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote: It isn't going to be perfect, but it'll definitely be better than what we have now. The other case to consider is two updates in rawhide-pending that each are OK with rawhide, but which together have dependency

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/22/2010 05:07 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:05:30 +0200, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote: It isn't going to be perfect, but it'll definitely be better than what we have now. The other case to consider is

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Jesse Keating wrote: It isn't going to be perfect, but it'll definitely be better than what we have now. I'm still not going to use rawhide. There would have to be a kernel without debugging before I would even think of using it for my home or work systems. I have a need for speed. :P --

F-14 Branched report: 20100922 changes

2010-09-22 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Wed Sep 22 13:15:39 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- RackTables-0.18.3-1.fc14.noarch requires /usr/local/bin/php RackTables-0.18.3-1.fc14.noarch requires perl(File::FnMatch)

[Bug 636514] File-HomeDir-0.93 bump

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[Bug 634899] perl-PPIx-Regexp-0.011 is available

2010-09-22 Thread bugzilla
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Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 10:13 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Jesse Keating wrote: It isn't going to be perfect, but it'll definitely be better than what we have now. I'm still not going to use rawhide. There would have to be a kernel without debugging before I would even think of using

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:01:02 +0200,  Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote: I say that the example of Webkit should be removed because if it is not possible to backport the security patch and due to the version update

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 10:04 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:01:02 +0200, Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote: I say that the example of Webkit should be removed because if it is not possible to backport the security patch and due to the version update Midori has

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:27:43 +0200, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:01:02 +0200,  Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote: I say that the example of Webkit should be removed because if it is

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:51:01 +0200, Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote: Of course, the issue might be very minor, but in that case it is not a judgement call based on how intrusive thec changes are but judgement call on whether the pros and cons of doing the update are significantly in

[Bug 635235] perl-DBD-CSV-0.31 is available

2010-09-22 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=635235 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 04:22:45PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 10:13 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Jesse Keating wrote: It isn't going to be perfect, but it'll definitely be better than what we have now. I'm still not going to use rawhide. There would have

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:27:43 +0200,  drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:01:02 +0200,  Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote:

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 04:22:45PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 10:13 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Jesse Keating wrote: It isn't going to be perfect, but it'll definitely be better than

File DBD-CSV-0.31.tgz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

2010-09-22 Thread Petr Pisar
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-DBD-CSV: 50918cc0ed58dd38df462398a16adc36 DBD-CSV-0.31.tgz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-DBD-CSV] 0.31 bump

2010-09-22 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 8cd85a626a4a8f8b8d9c48d2d0ed9b587ee30029 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Wed Sep 22 19:12:09 2010 +0200 0.31 bump .gitignore|1 + perl-DBD-CSV.spec | 24 +--- sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 19 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-)

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 18:58:25 +0200, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: In case of a security issue a random note somewhere don't do that is not acceptable ... that's all I am saying here. You are leaving users at risk by assuming that they will read that notice (note: most wont). I

[Bug 635235] perl-DBD-CSV-0.31 is available

2010-09-22 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=635235 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added

File STD-32116.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

2010-09-22 Thread Petr Pisar
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-STD: fc84fda3b80eef3708d8a51dfcb9a5ba STD-32116.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: pushing updates for FTBFS

2010-09-22 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 03:25:25PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:06:09 -0700 Eric Smith e...@brouhaha.com wrote: A bug was filed against meshlab because of an FTBFS for Fedora 14. I added a patch to resolve it and submitted an update. After seven days with no

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 18:14:47 +0100 Alex Hudson fed...@alexhudson.com wrote: Hey Kevin, On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 15:47 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: How can we clarify the language or the layout of the page to be more clear? Are there places that it could be more like the existing package

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:12:54 -0500 Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 18:58:25 +0200, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: In case of a security issue a random note somewhere don't do that is not acceptable ... that's all I am saying here. You are leaving users

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:06:42 -0400 Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com wrote: You've obviously spent a lot of time thinking about the exceptions. I think that is good. I would, however, suggest you also include examples of changes/updates that are not applicable for a stable release. Good idea.

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:09:32 -0500 Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 15:47:04 -0600, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: Greetings. I'd like to ask for feedback and helping cleaning up an updates policy draft page: Do you want feedback on the mailing

Re: pushing updates for FTBFS

2010-09-22 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:37:44 -0400 Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote: For (unreleased) F14, I think that the arugment that future work on the package is better off starting with something that works than to start off with something that's broken by new gcc, boost, etc is very valid.

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:35:32PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: So, for example, we have these use cases for Fedora which involves information working on the desktop, so the guiding principles for the stable release ought to be about those users being generally happy and having a desktop that

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:35:38 -0600, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: So, that would be, BAD: - Changing User interface (moving menu items or buttons around) - Changing names of commands for command line. - Changing behavior of command line options (ie, --foo does something

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:35:55 -0600, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:09:32 -0500 Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 15:47:04 -0600, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: Greetings. I'd like to ask for feedback and helping

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:12:54 -0500 Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 18:58:25 +0200,   drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: In case of a security issue a random note somewhere don't do that is

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:42:14 -0500 Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:35:38 -0600, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: So, that would be, BAD: - Changing User interface (moving menu items or buttons around) - Changing names of commands for command line.

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:45:55 -0500 Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:35:55 -0600, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:09:32 -0500 Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 15:47:04 -0600, Kevin Fenzi

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 13:05:23 -0600, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: ok. I Changed 'Beta' mentions in the Pre Beta section to Alpha or Beta releases. Does that work? That looks fine now. Thanks. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Alex Hudson
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 12:35 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Alex Hudson fed...@alexhudson.com wrote: I think there's one thing missing: some discussion about the guiding principles about where these rules came from. Well, there is the Boards vision that this came out of:

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 20:56:07 +0200, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: Might be true but a random notice on some website / mailinglist / $whatever is NOT a fix. period. If one decided to use a notification to mitigate a security issue, one would put the notice where the affected people

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 13:01:49 -0600, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: Right. Also, added to that is: Are the bug fixes worth shipping to millions of people? ie, do they fix bugs that Fedora users would/have encountered. That's another gray area without much guidance currently. I

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:57:49 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 08:20 -0400, Brandon Lozza wrote: That's why I propose an easy way to install additional repos. I can't see a non tech savvy user installing the chromium browser on fedora, to be brutally honest. It's annoying

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:33:47 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 09:59:51 -0400, Al Dunsmuir al.dunsm...@sympatico.ca wrote: If a second rawhide-specific staging repository (equivalent to updates-testing, so call it rawhide-testing) was added with some

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 19:00:25 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 04:22:45PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: I guess I spend too much money on CPUs. Or don't work 'em hard enough. :P I've not noticed it

Re: Fedora backports repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: One could always use a stable kernel in conjunction with Rawhide. Speaking of debugging info, are they still turned on for branched releases like F-14? Yes. Not until the Final RC builds is debugging switched off. (IIRC) Rawhide kernels or using a stable kernel

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