Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 04:45:30PM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 22:21 +0200, Till Maas wrote: > > > This here sounds strange: > > | The update rate for any given release should drop off over time, > > | approaching zero near release end-of-life; since updates are primarily >

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 à 21:30 -0400, Gerald Henriksen a écrit : > After all Gnome 2.32 isn't released until later this month, and the > beta releases have been included in Fedora 14 up to now. Is that a good example ? Gnome has been broken one way or another in Fedora 14 since branching p

Re: Testing zsh completion for fedpkg

2010-09-22 Thread Ben Boeckel
Christopher Aillon wrote: > On 08/25/2010 03:13 PM, Ben Boeckel wrote: >> Christopher Aillon wrote: >>> I missed the first notice of this go by, but I use zsh so can play with >>> it in the next few days. Can you post the updates so I don't hit the >>> same bugs you did? >> >> Sure. Attached. Th

Re: Fedora "backports" repo?

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 22:38:21 +0200, Benny Amorsen wrote: > > I don't know about "many", but there is at least one organisation > which runs production databases on Postgres on Fedora. People keep > saying that "Fedora isn't for servers", but I just don't see why not. Because it is more wor

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Gerald Henriksen
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 19:33:22 + (UTC), you wrote: >On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:33:47 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> That is what branched releases have. Running one of these still gets you >> pretty up to date stuff, but a bit more protection from breakage. > >But branched releases stabilize somet

Re: Fedora "backports" repo?

2010-09-22 Thread Björn Persson
Michał Piotrowski wrote: > 2010/9/21 Björn Persson : > > How hard would it be to "cherry-pick" from this backports repository? To > > install a newer Firefox from there for example, but keep the PostgreSQL > > from the ordinary Fedora even if there is a newer one in the backports > > repository, an

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Dave Jones
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 02:45:03PM -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > I can see a big increase in boot time with my desktop setup when using a > debugging kernel among other slow-downs. From 8 seconds (non-debug) at > least double that. I use modern CPUs (quad core a minimum) with SSDs and

Re: Fedora 14 Beta Declared GOLD

2010-09-22 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 18:51 -0400, Dave Jones wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 03:31:39PM -0700, John Poelstra wrote: > > At the Fedora 14 Beta Go/No-Go meeting today, the Fedora 14 Beta was > > declared GOLD and ready for release on September 28, 2010. > > is what's at rsync://mirrors.kernel.o

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 14:45 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > > One could always use a stable kernel in conjunction with Rawhide. > > Speaking of debugging info, are they still turned on for branched > > releases like F-14? > > Yes. Not until the Final RC builds i

Re: Fedora 14 Beta Declared GOLD

2010-09-22 Thread Dave Jones
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 03:31:39PM -0700, John Poelstra wrote: > At the Fedora 14 Beta Go/No-Go meeting today, the Fedora 14 Beta was > declared GOLD and ready for release on September 28, 2010. is what's at rsync://mirrors.kernel.org/mirrors/fedora/development/14/ right now the beta tree, or i

[389-devel] Please review: Bug 634561 - Server crushes when using Windows Sync Agreement

2010-09-22 Thread Rich Megginson
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=634561 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=449061&action=diff https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=449061&action=edit -- 389-devel mailing list 389-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-dev

Fedora 14 Beta Declared GOLD

2010-09-22 Thread John Poelstra
At the Fedora 14 Beta Go/No-Go meeting today, the Fedora 14 Beta was declared GOLD and ready for release on September 28, 2010. Thank you to everyone who made this on-time release possible! === #fedora-meeting: Fedora 14 Beta Go/N

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 22:21 +0200, Till Maas wrote: > This here sounds strange: > | The update rate for any given release should drop off over time, > | approaching zero near release end-of-life; since updates are primarily > | bugfixes, fewer and fewer should be needed over time. > > This essent

[perl-Text-Hunspell/el6/master] Initial import of perl-Text-Hunspell-2.01-2

2010-09-22 Thread Paul Howarth
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Re: pushing updates for FTBFS

2010-09-22 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:38:50PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:37:44 -0400 > Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > > For (unreleased) F14, I think that the arugment that future work on > > the package is better off starting with something that works than to > > start off with somethin

[perl-Text-Hunspell] Created tag perl-Text-Hunspell-2.01-2.fc12

2010-09-22 Thread Paul Howarth
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Re: Fedora "backports" repo?

2010-09-22 Thread Benny Amorsen
Arthur Pemberton writes: > What exactly is the fear here with these updates? Are there many > desktop users who do NOT want the latest released Firefox? Are there > many people using Fedora as their OS for their database server? I don't know about "many", but there is at least one organisation w

[perl-Text-Hunspell/f12/master] Initial import of perl-Text-Hunspell-2.01-2

2010-09-22 Thread Paul Howarth
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[perl-Text-Hunspell] Created tag perl-Text-Hunspell-2.01-2.fc13

2010-09-22 Thread Paul Howarth
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Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 03:47:04PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > I'd like to ask for feedback and helping cleaning up an updates policy > draft page: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft > > How can we clarify the language or the layout of the page to be more > clear

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 14:45:03 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > > Rawhide kernels or using a stable kernel w/ Rawhide are not valid > options. Rawhide is rawhide - development of Fedora, not for production > use. Period. You can't jazz it up no matter how hard you try (Looking at > you

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 19:33:22 +, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > > But branched releases stabilize sometime before the beta point is > reached, which triggered off this huge discussion in the first place, > because Postgresql 9.0 came out too late for inclusion. But if you are trackin

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > One could always use a stable kernel in conjunction with Rawhide. > Speaking of debugging info, are they still turned on for branched > releases like F-14? Yes. Not until the Final RC builds is debugging switched off. (IIRC) Rawhide kernels or using a stable kernel

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 19:00:25 +0200, drago01 wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Richard W.M. Jones > wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 04:22:45PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: >>> I guess I spend too much money on CPUs. Or don't work 'em hard enough. >>> :P >> >> I've not noticed it either,

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:33:47 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 09:59:51 -0400, > Al Dunsmuir wrote: >> >> If a second rawhide-specific staging repository (equivalent to >> updates-testing, so call it rawhide-testing) was added with some >> autoqa automation

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:57:49 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 08:20 -0400, Brandon Lozza wrote: >> That's why I propose an easy way to install additional repos. I can't >> see a non tech savvy user installing the chromium browser on fedora, to >> be brutally honest. It's annoy

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 13:01:49 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > Right. Also, added to that is: Are the bug fixes worth shipping to > millions of people? ie, do they fix bugs that Fedora users would/have > encountered. That's another gray area without much guidance currently. I think mostly pac

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 20:56:07 +0200, drago01 wrote: > > Might be true but a random notice on some website / mailinglist / > $whatever is NOT a fix. period. If one decided to use a notification to mitigate a security issue, one would put the notice where the affected people would be likely t

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Alex Hudson
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 12:35 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Alex Hudson wrote: > > I think there's one thing missing: some discussion about the guiding > > principles about where these rules came from. > > Well, there is the Boards vision that this came out of: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/St

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 13:05:23 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > ok. I Changed 'Beta' mentions in the Pre Beta section to "Alpha or Beta > releases". Does that work? That looks fine now. Thanks. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:45:55 -0500 Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:35:55 -0600, > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:09:32 -0500 > > Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 15:47:04 -0600, > > > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > > Greetings. > > > >

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:42:14 -0500 Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:35:38 -0600, > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > So, that would be, BAD: > > > > - Changing User interface (moving menu items or buttons around) > > - Changing names of commands for command line. > > - Changing behav

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:12:54 -0500 > Bruno Wolff III wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 18:58:25 +0200, >>   drago01 wrote: >> > >> > In case of a security issue a random note somewhere "don't do that" >> > is not acceptable ... that's all I

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:35:55 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:09:32 -0500 > Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 15:47:04 -0600, > > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > Greetings. > > > > > > I'd like to ask for feedback and helping cleaning up an updates > > >

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:35:38 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > So, that would be, BAD: > > - Changing User interface (moving menu items or buttons around) > - Changing names of commands for command line. > - Changing behavior of command line options (ie, --foo does something > totally differen

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:35:32PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > So, for example, we have these use cases for Fedora which involves > > information working on the desktop, so the guiding principles for the > > stable release ought to be about those users being generally happy and > > having a deskt

Re: pushing updates for FTBFS

2010-09-22 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:37:44 -0400 Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > For (unreleased) F14, I think that the arugment that future work on > the package is better off starting with something that works than to > start off with something that's broken by new gcc, boost, etc is very > valid. Sure. I would su

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:09:32 -0500 Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 15:47:04 -0600, > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > Greetings. > > > > I'd like to ask for feedback and helping cleaning up an updates > > policy draft page: > > Do you want feedback on the mailing list or the Talk pa

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:06:42 -0400 Josh Boyer wrote: > > You've obviously spent a lot of time thinking about the exceptions. I > think that is good. I would, however, suggest you also include > examples of changes/updates that are not applicable for a stable > release. Good idea. Add some t

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:12:54 -0500 Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 18:58:25 +0200, > drago01 wrote: > > > > In case of a security issue a random note somewhere "don't do that" > > is not acceptable ... that's all I am saying here. > > You are leaving users at risk by assuming

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:05:42 -0500 Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:35:01 +0200, > Tomas Mraz wrote: > > > > - Avoid changing the user experence if at all possible. - this is > > too strong condition. In some cases fixing a bug might inevitable > > change the user experienc

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 18:14:47 +0100 Alex Hudson wrote: > Hey Kevin, > > On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 15:47 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > How can we clarify the language or the layout of the page to be more > > clear? Are there places that it could be more like the existing > > package update howto page?

Re: pushing updates for FTBFS

2010-09-22 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 03:25:25PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:06:09 -0700 > Eric Smith wrote: > > > A bug was filed against meshlab because of an FTBFS for Fedora 14. I > > added a patch to resolve it and submitted an update. After seven > > days with no feedback, I was

Re: bodhi v0.7.9 deployed

2010-09-22 Thread Luke Macken
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 02:19:06PM -0400, Luke Macken wrote: > Backend Changes > === > > - Add the new 'dist-fN-updates{-testing,}-pending' tags to builds so AutoQA > can > start testing them before they get pushed > - List security & critpath testing updates in our updates-testing

File STD-32116.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

2010-09-22 Thread Petr Pisar
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-STD: fc84fda3b80eef3708d8a51dfcb9a5ba STD-32116.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/per

[Bug 635235] perl-DBD-CSV-0.31 is available

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Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 18:58:25 +0200, drago01 wrote: > > In case of a security issue a random note somewhere "don't do that" is > not acceptable ... that's all I am saying here. > You are leaving users at risk by assuming that they will read that > notice (note: most wont). I disagree. There

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Alex Hudson
Hey Kevin, On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 15:47 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > How can we clarify the language or the layout of the page to be more > clear? Are there places that it could be more like the existing package > update howto page? Could we be more detailed about what bodhi enforces > and whats jus

[perl-DBD-CSV] 0.31 bump

2010-09-22 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 8cd85a626a4a8f8b8d9c48d2d0ed9b587ee30029 Author: Petr Písař Date: Wed Sep 22 19:12:09 2010 +0200 0.31 bump .gitignore|1 + perl-DBD-CSV.spec | 24 +--- sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 19 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/

File DBD-CSV-0.31.tgz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

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Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 04:22:45PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: >> On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 10:13 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: >> > Jesse Keating wrote: >> > > It isn't going to be perfect, but it'll definitely be better than what >>

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:27:43 +0200, >  drago01 wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:01:02 +0200, >> >  Tomas Mraz wrote: >> >> I say that the example of Webkit should be re

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 04:22:45PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 10:13 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > > Jesse Keating wrote: > > > It isn't going to be perfect, but it'll definitely be better than what > > > we have now. > > > > I'm still not going to use rawhide. Ther

[Bug 635235] perl-DBD-CSV-0.31 is available

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Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:51:01 +0200, Tomas Mraz wrote: > Of course, the issue might be very minor, but in that case it is not a > "judgement call based on how intrusive thec changes are" but "judgement > call on whether the pros and cons of doing the update are significantly > in favor of pro

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:27:43 +0200, drago01 wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:01:02 +0200, > >  Tomas Mraz wrote: > >> I say that the example of Webkit should be removed because if it is not > >> possible to backport the securit

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 10:04 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:01:02 +0200, > Tomas Mraz wrote: > > I say that the example of Webkit should be removed because if it is not > > possible to backport the security patch and due to the version update > > Midori has to be upda

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:01:02 +0200, >  Tomas Mraz wrote: >> I say that the example of Webkit should be removed because if it is not >> possible to backport the security patch and due to the version update >> Midori has to be updated to

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Al Dunsmuir wrote: > On Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 8:06:12 AM, drag01 wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Richard W.M. Jones >> wrote: >>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 09:58:53PM -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: 2010/9/20 Michał Piotrowski : > 2010

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 10:13 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Jesse Keating wrote: > > It isn't going to be perfect, but it'll definitely be better than what > > we have now. > > I'm still not going to use rawhide. There would have to be a kernel > without debugging before I would even think of

[Bug 634899] perl-PPIx-Regexp-0.011 is available

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[Bug 636514] File-HomeDir-0.93 bump

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F-14 Branched report: 20100922 changes

2010-09-22 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Wed Sep 22 13:15:39 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- RackTables-0.18.3-1.fc14.noarch requires /usr/local/bin/php RackTables-0.18.3-1.fc14.noarch requires perl(File::FnMatch) 1:anjuta-2.30.0.0-2.fc1

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Jesse Keating wrote: > It isn't going to be perfect, but it'll definitely be better than what > we have now. I'm still not going to use rawhide. There would have to be a kernel without debugging before I would even think of using it for my home or work systems. I have a need for speed. :P -- de

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/22/2010 05:07 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:05:30 +0200, > Jesse Keating wrote: >> >> It isn't going to be perfect, but it'll definitely be better than what >> we have now. > > The other case to consider is two updat

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:05:30 +0200, Jesse Keating wrote: > > It isn't going to be perfect, but it'll definitely be better than what > we have now. The other case to consider is two updates in rawhide-pending that each are OK with rawhide, but which together have dependency issues. -- deve

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:01:02 +0200, Tomas Mraz wrote: > I say that the example of Webkit should be removed because if it is not > possible to backport the security patch and due to the version update > Midori has to be updated to a new version regardless of the changes of > user experience.

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/22/2010 04:14 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > That would likely be an improvement, but have you thought through the > interaction issues? Builds are rarely standalone, so we need to figure > out which builds go with which other builds so they can be

[Bug 636514] File-HomeDir-0.93 bump

2010-09-22 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=636514 --- Comment #1 from Tom "spot" Callaway 2010-09-22 10:57:28 EDT --- Petr, I'd be happy to let you co-maintain here. -- Config

[perl-PPIx-Regexp] 0.011 bump

2010-09-22 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 429bb74e17b0e3b7a2e25331ae43097727dbc1b7 Author: Petr Písař Date: Wed Sep 22 17:01:26 2010 +0200 0.011 bump .gitignore|1 + perl-PPIx-Regexp.spec | 14 ++ sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 12 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-) --- diff --git

File PPIx-Regexp-0.011.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

2010-09-22 Thread Petr Pisar
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-PPIx-Regexp: 2c315aa4603e511cc9f4f69a535bb02f PPIx-Regexp-0.011.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mail

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 16:09 +0200, drago01 wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Tomas Mraz wrote: > > >> > This example is IMO wrong: > >> > - WebKit requires an update to solve a security problem. This requires > >> > updating Midori to a version with some minor menu layout changes. This >

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/22/2010 04:14 PM, Al Dunsmuir wrote: > On Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 6:19:28 PM, Jesse wrote: >> On 09/22/2010 04:07 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: >>> On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 10:24 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >>> This is reasonably easy

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 15:34:34 +0100, "Richard W.M. Jones" wrote: > > No, I think you are wrong. > > First of all, I can see no benefit in pushing a package that cannot do > its basic function to Rawhide. Even in Rawhide, no one wants a kernel > that doesn't boot, even if in some circumstan

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 09:59:51 -0400, Al Dunsmuir wrote: > > If a second rawhide-specific staging repository (equivalent to > updates-testing, so call it rawhide-testing) was added with some > autoqa automation to prevent gratuitous problems (such as broken > dependencies

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 09:22:21AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:24:38 +0100, > "Richard W.M. Jones" wrote: > > > > I use Rawhide on my laptop and one of my servers, so I'll tell you the > > answer to this: because critical components such as the kernel are > > ofte

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 14:06:12 +0200, drago01 wrote: > Some of the reasons I can think of: > > 2) No signed packages There is a plan to deal with that, but I am not sure what its current status is. > 5) To many broken deps, which might prevent applying updates and security > fixes Hopeful

Re: Passing arguments into LDFLAGS

2010-09-22 Thread Garrett Holmstrom
Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On 09/22/2010 08:08 AM, Paul F. Johnson wrote: >> I know I can do the likes of >> >> export CFLAGS="$CFLAGS -blah" and it will pass whatever CFLAGS is plus >> the argument "-blah" to the compiler. >> >> How do I do this with LDFLAGS. I'm trying to pass --build-id using >

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:24:38 +0100, "Richard W.M. Jones" wrote: > > I use Rawhide on my laptop and one of my servers, so I'll tell you the > answer to this: because critical components such as the kernel are > often broken. IME this is because there is no testing of these > components befo

[Bug 633737] perl-Padre-0.70 is available

2010-09-22 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=633737 --- Comment #4 from Petr Pisar 2010-09-22 10:16:46 EDT --- Created attachment 448944 --> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachmen

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 6:19:28 PM, Jesse wrote: > On 09/22/2010 04:07 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 10:24 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >> >>> This is reasonably easy to fix: we should do some testing and withhold >>> packages from Rawhide if they don't pass som

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 15:18 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > > 4) To much of "manual fixing" required > > 5) To many broken deps, which might prevent applying updates and security > > fixes > > 6) Some others that I can't think of right now might be a consequence > > of the above or something else >

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Tomas Mraz wrote: >> > This example is IMO wrong: >> > - WebKit requires an update to solve a security problem. This requires >> > updating Midori to a version with some minor menu layout changes. This >> > would be a judgement call based on how intrusive the chan

[Bug 633737] perl-Padre-0.70 is available

2010-09-22 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=633737 Petr Pisar changed: What|Removed |Added

[Bug 633737] perl-Padre-0.70 is available

2010-09-22 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=633737 --- Comment #3 from Petr Pisar 2010-09-22 10:08:46 EDT --- perl(threads::shared) >= 1.33 is needed (upgrade requested in bug #63

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:35:01 +0200, Tomas Mraz wrote: > > - Avoid changing the user experence if at all possible. - this is too > strong condition. In some cases fixing a bug might inevitable change the > user experience and in some cases for example the user experience might > be just seve

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 8:06:12 AM, drag01 wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Richard W.M. Jones > wrote: >> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 09:58:53PM -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: >>> 2010/9/20 Michał Piotrowski : >>> > 2010/9/21 Toshio Kuratomi : >>> >> As the concept of using third

Java SIG meeting minutes from September 21st

2010-09-22 Thread Stanislav Ochotnicky
Meeting minutes from our second meeting. I reordered our wiki a bit to accomodate future meeting minutes and agendas (thanks to KDE SIG for template :-) ) I would like to know how many people wanted to attend but couldn't because of time. There are about 2x as many people written on our SIG page t

Re: Passing arguments into LDFLAGS

2010-09-22 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/22/2010 08:08 AM, Paul F. Johnson wrote: > Hi, > > I know I can do the likes of > > export CFLAGS="$CFLAGS -blah" and it will pass whatever CFLAGS is plus > the argument "-blah" to the compiler. > > How do I do this with LDFLAGS. I'm trying t

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Brandon Lozza
something like sidux, but fedora based im thinking stable f14 with the goodies stable vision blocks because people want stale software, and i'd rather not use rawhide or opensuse On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Brandon Lozza wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Brandon Lozza
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > I should add that whether this testing happens in Koji or in AutoQA > isn't material.  AutoQA is probably better.  *Provided* that if the > basic sanity tests fail they must prevent the packages from going into > the Rawhide compose. > >

[Bug 636471] perl-Wx-Perl-ProcessStream-0.28 is available

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[Bug 636518] JSON-XS-2.3 bump

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[perl-Wx-Perl-ProcessStream] - update, works with Wx > 0.97

2010-09-22 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit d88ff6c709b6cfa9304002f8f9ca061da3d05381 Author: Marcela Mašláňová Date: Wed Sep 22 15:34:10 2010 +0200 - update, works with Wx > 0.97 .gitignore |1 + perl-Wx-Perl-ProcessStream.spec |9 ++--- sources |2 +- 3 files chan

File Wx-Perl-ProcessStream-0.28.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by mmaslano

2010-09-22 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Wx-Perl-ProcessStream: 9a893347401af6e1c40b22c72d92b383 Wx-Perl-ProcessStream-0.28.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fed

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 12:48 +0200, drago01 wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Tomas Mraz wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 15:47 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >> Greetings. > >> > >> I'd like to ask for feedback and helping cleaning up an updates policy > >> draft page: > >> > >> https://fed

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
I should add that whether this testing happens in Koji or in AutoQA isn't material. AutoQA is probably better. *Provided* that if the basic sanity tests fail they must prevent the packages from going into the Rawhide compose. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 02:06:12PM +0200, drago01 wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Richard W.M. Jones > wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 09:58:53PM -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > >> 2010/9/20 Michał Piotrowski : > >> > 2010/9/21 Toshio Kuratomi : > >> >> As the concept of using thir

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:07:24PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 10:24 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > This is reasonably easy to fix: we should do some testing and withhold > > packages from Rawhide if they don't pass some basic sanity checks > > (eg. does it boot,

[Bug 633737] perl-Padre-0.70 is available

2010-09-22 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=633737 Petr Pisar changed: What|Removed |Added

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