Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-17 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/17/2011 11:30 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: The actual Linus rule is that if it breaks user stuff it must be fixed now or it will be reverted. Which is not impossible If we know about the bugs we can fix them. This bug was only reported after the release. Rahul -- devel mailing list

Re: why does my systemd-services not work?

2011-06-17 Thread Michal Schmidt
On 06/17/2011 02:05 AM, Bob Arendt wrote: mpd forks and daemonizes itself, so the main pid dies. There is a misunderstanding about what main PID means. It is not the PID of the original process which forks and then exits. It should be the PID of the process of the running daemon. The one that

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.06.2011 08:31, schrieb Rahul Sundaram: On 06/17/2011 11:30 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: The actual Linus rule is that if it breaks user stuff it must be fixed now or it will be reverted. Which is not impossible If we know about the bugs we can fix them. This bug was only reported

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: This is a common misapprehension, but it's not true. The reason for the large icon grid is actually that the developers did real world user research (yes, really!) and found that many people had significant trouble navigating the typical Windows / GNOME 2 nested menu

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.06.2011 03:59, schrieb Adam Williamson: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 01:19 +0200, Henrik Wejdmark wrote: My impression is that GNOME3 is trying to compete with Android and FrontRow, but have forgotten all of us who still uses desktops/laptops. We don't have touch screens yet The

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 06/17/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: This is a common misapprehension, but it's not true. The reason for the large icon grid is actually that the developers did real world user research (yes, really!) and found that many people had significant trouble navigating

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 17.6.2011 11:14, Ralf Corsepius napsal(a): On 06/17/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: This is a common misapprehension, but it's not true. The reason for the large icon grid is actually that the developers did real world user research (yes, really!) and found that

[perl-Crypt-DSA] Created tag perl-Crypt-DSA-1.17-1.el6

2011-06-17 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Crypt-DSA-1.17-1.el6' was created pointing to: 91648db... Merge branch 'master' into el6 -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 06/17/2011 11:36 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 17.6.2011 11:14, Ralf Corsepius napsal(a): On 06/17/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: This is a common misapprehension, but it's not true. The reason for the large icon grid is actually that the developers did real world

[perl-Config-IniFiles] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit ee15c1ea835b8cfde005f5a6e88aa963ab6dba15 Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jun 17 11:56:36 2011 +0200 Perl mass rebuild perl-Config-IniFiles.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Config-IniFiles.spec

RE: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Henrik Wejdmark
The workflow is: 1) Move the mouse to the to left corner (move is enough, you don't have to click. You even can drag and drop through activities, so learn to not click there.) 2) Type on the keyboard few character of the application name you want to run, e.g. cal and on your screen will be

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-17 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/17/2011 02:13 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: a needed TWO WEEKS to go in updates-testing, this is way roo long for such a major bug preventing the user from booting the system and it takes time until it is for normal users in stable repos too! It is not a major bug since it is not common for

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/17/2011 02:26 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: This is a common misapprehension, but it's not true. The reason for the large icon grid is actually that the developers did real world user research (yes, really!) and found that many people had significant trouble navigating

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 17.6.2011 11:57, Henrik Wejdmark napsal(a): The workflow is: 1) Move the mouse to the to left corner (move is enough, you don't have to click. You even can drag and drop through activities, so learn to not click there.) 2) Type on the keyboard few character of the application name you

RE: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Henrik Wejdmark
Since you recommend not using the application menu, in other words, you agree that the application menu is useless? It is useful when you are looking for something and you don't know what exactly it is. In that case, it is much much better then the previous menus, because you have nice

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/17/2011 03:50 PM, Henrik Wejdmark wrote: On my desktop it's not on one page, it's a mile long listing so you get no overview at all. In Gnome2 at least all the apps are categorized. If the graphical user interface _requires_ you to use the keyboard to type the command it has failed it's

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 06/17/2011 12:16 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 17.6.2011 11:57, Henrik Wejdmark napsal(a): It is useful when you are looking for something and you don't know what exactly it is. In that case, it is much much better then the previous menus, because you have nice overview on one page and

RE: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Henrik Wejdmark
GNOME 3 menu has categories in the right as well but in any case, the common apps are in the dash and using a keyboard with a search as you type interface isn't the same as using bash. Let us not be dramatic. Rahul As has been stated earlier in this thread, having the hot spot in the top

File Perl-MinimumVersion-1.28.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by corsepiu

2011-06-17 Thread corsepiu
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Perl-MinimumVersion: 1f0ec43ebe2076862b4d0d6439e3b943 Perl-MinimumVersion-1.28.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Evandro Giovanini
Em Sex, 2011-06-17 às 11:55 +0200, Ralf Corsepius escreveu: On 06/17/2011 11:36 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 17.6.2011 11:14, Ralf Corsepius napsal(a): On 06/17/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: This is a common misapprehension, but it's not true. The reason for the

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread 夜神 岩男
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 15:50 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 06/17/2011 03:50 PM, Henrik Wejdmark wrote: On my desktop it's not on one page, it's a mile long listing so you get no overview at all. In Gnome2 at least all the apps are categorized. If the graphical user interface _requires_ you

RE: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 12:20 +0200, Henrik Wejdmark wrote: Since you recommend not using the application menu, in other words, you agree that the application menu is useless? It is useful when you are looking for something and you don't know what exactly it is. In that case, it is

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/17/2011 03:59 PM, Henrik Wejdmark wrote: As has been stated earlier in this thread, having the hot spot in the top left corner and categories far right causes a lot of mouse movements. Common apps in the dash only opens the first instance, after that it switches to the existing instance,

[Bug 714089] New: perl-FCGI-0.73 is available

2011-06-17 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: perl-FCGI-0.73 is available https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=714089 Summary: perl-FCGI-0.73 is available Product: Fedora

[Bug 714088] New: perl-Fedora-Rebuild-0.2.1 is available

2011-06-17 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: perl-Fedora-Rebuild-0.2.1 is available https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=714088 Summary: perl-Fedora-Rebuild-0.2.1 is available Product:

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 06:48:14PM +0800, Mathieu Bridon wrote: On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 12:20 +0200, Henrik Wejdmark wrote: Since you recommend not using the application menu, in other words, you agree that the application menu is useless? It is useful when you are looking for

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 17.6.2011 12:29, Ralf Corsepius napsal(a): On 06/17/2011 12:16 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 17.6.2011 11:57, Henrik Wejdmark napsal(a): It is useful when you are looking for something and you don't know what exactly it is. In that case, it is much much better then the previous menus,

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 06/17/2011 01:02 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 06:48:14PM +0800, Mathieu Bridon wrote: On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 12:20 +0200, Henrik Wejdmark wrote: Since you recommend not using the application menu, in other words, you agree that the application menu is useless? It

Re: F15 Error mounting eCryptfs: [-5] Input/output error on different disks

2011-06-17 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:45:01 +0200, MP wrote: W dniu 16 czerwca 2011 21:43 użytkownik Eric Sandeen napisał: On 6/16/11 2:37 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: Hi, Do anyone noticed any problems with mounting eCryptfs recently on F15? It seems to me unlikely that I have an I/O errors on few

Broken dependencies: perl-BerkeleyDB

2011-06-17 Thread buildsys
perl-BerkeleyDB has broken dependencies in the rawhide tree: On x86_64: perl-BerkeleyDB-0.43-5.fc15.x86_64 requires libdb = 0:5.1.25 perl-BerkeleyDB-0.43-5.fc15.x86_64 requires libdb-5.1.so()(64bit) On i386: perl-BerkeleyDB-0.43-5.fc15.i686 requires libdb = 0:5.1.25

[Bug 689709] Circular and missing dependecies

2011-06-17 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689709 --- Comment #16 from Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org 2011-06-17 07:28:14 EDT --- (In reply to comment #15) f14 can't be built,

Re: F15 Error mounting eCryptfs: [-5] Input/output error on different disks

2011-06-17 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2011/6/17 Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com: On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:45:01 +0200, MP wrote: W dniu 16 czerwca 2011 21:43 użytkownik Eric Sandeen napisał: On 6/16/11 2:37 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: Hi, Do anyone noticed any problems with mounting eCryptfs recently on F15? It seems

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 06/17/2011 12:48 PM, Mathieu Bridon wrote: On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 12:20 +0200, Henrik Wejdmark wrote: You can search for bro and among the results will be Nautilus and Firefox (hint: Gnome Shell also searches in the application description, and both are browsers). A keyword search is

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Pádraig Brady
On 17/06/11 12:17, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: On 06/17/2011 01:02 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: I can't believe real usability testing was done on the final version of GNOME 3. I keep hearing about all these completely undiscoverable keyboard shortcuts that appear to be necessary to use

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Domingo Becker
2011/6/17 Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com: On 06/17/2011 03:59 PM, Henrik Wejdmark wrote: As has been stated earlier in this thread, having the hot spot in the top left corner and categories far right causes a lot of mouse movements. Common apps in the dash only opens the first instance,

Unresponsive Package Maintainer - Jeroen van Meeuwen

2011-06-17 Thread Vít Ondruch
I'm following the procedure at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers Does anyone know how to contact Jeroen van Meeuwen? He is not answering e-mails at his listed address or the following Bugzilla reports: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=707934

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Evandro Giovanini
Em Sex, 2011-06-17 às 13:43 +0200, Ralf Corsepius escreveu: On 06/17/2011 12:48 PM, Mathieu Bridon wrote: On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 12:20 +0200, Henrik Wejdmark wrote: You can search for bro and among the results will be Nautilus and Firefox (hint: Gnome Shell also searches in the application

Re: OT: SystemD F16\Rawhide Pointers needed.

2011-06-17 Thread Frank Murphy
On 16 June 2011 11:50, Michal Schmidt mschm...@redhat.com wrote: On 06/16/2011 11:20 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: nfs mounted local repo from an attached NAS. (supplies a number of boxes) yum-updateonboot used to update on boot. (sans rhgb quiet) In level 3, login prompt appears before update

F15: Reboot impossible after upgrade

2011-06-17 Thread Reindl Harald
what happens here? - upstart is replaced by systemd i hope a hard-reset is not the solution for this [root@buildserver64:~]$ /sbin/grub-install /dev/sda Installation finished. No error reported. This is the contents of the device map /boot/grub/device.map. Check if this is correct or not. If any

slightly late heads up: soname bump for gssdp/gupnp

2011-06-17 Thread Peter Robinson
Hey All, Sorry for the late notice but there was a soname bump in gssdp/gupnp that I missed. Most of the broken packages have now been rebuilt and it should be cleaned up for the next rawhide run. Cheers, Peter -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Disregard last reply Re: OT: SystemD F16\Rawhide Pointers needed.

2011-06-17 Thread Frank Murphy
On 17/06/11 13:10, Frank Murphy wrote: My apologies, I was looking at 2 unfixed boxes. Alert.. remains in fixed boxes. So kudos to you Michal. -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of fedoraproject.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* Domingo Becker [17/06/2011 14:21] : Access through keyboard was something missing in previous GNOME. End users go faster if they only use keyboard (of course, the program and the desktop environment should be prepared for that). Agreed. Before installing F15, I was sceptic about having to

Re: Unresponsive Package Maintainer - Jeroen van Meeuwen

2011-06-17 Thread Farkas Levente
On 06/17/2011 02:01 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote: I'm following the procedure at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers Does anyone know how to contact Jeroen van Meeuwen? He is not answering e-mails at his listed address or the following Bugzilla reports:

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Jared K. Smith
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 5:14 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: With Gnome3 you 1stly have to tick on Applications (located left top on the screen), then hit this tiny scroll bar located ca. 1 in/2cm left of the right screen (not an easy task - Requires travelling almost the whole

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 09:01:57AM -0300, Evandro Giovanini wrote: I would argue that simply typing a keyword related to the task you're trying to perform is far more effective and easier to use than manually browsing a long list of applications artificially categorized, specially in this age

[perl-File-Copy-Recursive] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit 096b251e47c057dc02c10f4b87dbb891d4367ea5 Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jun 17 15:01:03 2011 +0200 Perl mass rebuild perl-File-Copy-Recursive.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-File-Copy-Recursive.spec

[perl-common-sense] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit fade01724391f2a7e99a231fa4cbb98b92b00596 Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jun 17 15:01:04 2011 +0200 Perl mass rebuild perl-common-sense.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-common-sense.spec

[perl-IO-Null] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit 1e36b6aa4a3fba62770748473a6d8bb00c712359 Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jun 17 15:01:06 2011 +0200 Perl mass rebuild perl-IO-Null.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-IO-Null.spec b/perl-IO-Null.spec

[perl-Date-Simple] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit c421f05eb78fbf6579af1c0bc252b3dbbbdafd3d Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jun 17 15:01:06 2011 +0200 Perl mass rebuild perl-Date-Simple.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Date-Simple.spec

[perl-Hash-WithDefaults] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit 7ccaa9d1d2a9ce432a396d02289b1d5647caefb8 Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jun 17 15:01:24 2011 +0200 Perl mass rebuild perl-Hash-WithDefaults.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Hash-WithDefaults.spec

[perl-Text-Aligner] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit 3ca4b0e92154d83ff63ea9341c5776a6d4af9b40 Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jun 17 15:01:23 2011 +0200 Perl mass rebuild perl-Text-Aligner.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Text-Aligner.spec

[perl-XML-RegExp] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit e2feccda15e969d1aaff95f28b67202e3f52e3eb Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jun 17 15:01:27 2011 +0200 Perl mass rebuild perl-XML-RegExp.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-XML-RegExp.spec

[perl-Class-Prototyped] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit 50421d59600df3e07cab51ba4329708cd84aa2e3 Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jun 17 15:01:33 2011 +0200 Perl mass rebuild perl-Class-Prototyped.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Class-Prototyped.spec

[perl-Class-Accessor-Lite] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit 68cf1d2f96eff30e61d190b708ad0eba6996aacc Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jun 17 15:01:41 2011 +0200 Perl mass rebuild perl-Class-Accessor-Lite.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Class-Accessor-Lite.spec

Re: what key between Ctrl Alt (was: GNOME3 and au revoir...)

2011-06-17 Thread Felix Miata
On 2011/06/17 08:53 (GMT-0300) Domingo Becker composed: The shortest way is by using keyboard, as Rahul says: 1. Press the key between Ctrl and Alt. What key between Ctrl Alt? The last good[1] keyboards made (AFAIK) predate keyboards with windows keys, so none of the keyboards I use

[perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Paul Howarth
commit a4d71c782aac53a9c56a66b2f7c1fc64c062f888 Author: Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org Date: Fri Jun 17 14:06:28 2011 +0100 Perl mass rebuild perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib.spec

[perl-Class-Loader] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit f8ae430b28d14b97f22b8acb2d54958b2954231c Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jun 17 15:08:31 2011 +0200 Perl mass rebuild perl-Class-Loader.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Class-Loader.spec

[perl-Unicode-String] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit 96a045f80cbd3a6c9f35dcb4a6d85b350c01238f Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jun 17 15:09:57 2011 +0200 Perl mass rebuild perl-Unicode-String.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Unicode-String.spec

[perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib] Created tag perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.035-2.fc16

2011-06-17 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.035-2.fc16' was created pointing to: a4d71c7... Perl mass rebuild -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: what key between Ctrl Alt (was: GNOME3 and au revoir...)

2011-06-17 Thread Domingo Becker
2011/6/17 Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net: On 2011/06/17 08:53 (GMT-0300) Domingo Becker composed: The shortest way is by using keyboard, as Rahul says: 1. Press the key between Ctrl and Alt. What key between Ctrl Alt? The key that can not be named! lol cheers Domingo Becker --

[Bug 714140] undefined symbol: Perl_Gthr_key_ptr

2011-06-17 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=714140 Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added

Re: what key between Ctrl Alt (was: GNOME3 and au revoir...)

2011-06-17 Thread Camilo Mesias
It looks like a hanky or a napkin to me! -Cam -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 06/17/2011 02:53 PM, Jared K. Smith wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 5:14 AM, Ralf Corsepiusrc040...@freenet.de wrote: With Gnome3 you 1stly have to tick on Applications (located left top on the screen), then hit this tiny scroll bar located ca. 1 in/2cm left of the right screen (not an easy

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/17/2011 06:51 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: ... you mean by holy ghost intuition, feel tempted to press a key to access a hidden feature, where once was a simple feature? Alt+F1 which was the shortcut for accessing the menu still works. For GUI users, they just hit the hot corner. For

Re: Unresponsive Package Maintainer - Jeroen van Meeuwen

2011-06-17 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:37:10 +0200 Farkas Levente lfar...@lfarkas.org wrote: On 06/17/2011 02:01 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote: I'm following the procedure at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers Does anyone know how to contact Jeroen van Meeuwen? He is

Re: F15: Reboot impossible after upgrade

2011-06-17 Thread Michal Schmidt
On 06/17/2011 02:10 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: what happens here? - upstart is replaced by systemd Is this bug 707717? i hope a hard-reset is not the solution for this 'sync reboot -f' should work even in this case. Michal -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: OT: SystemD F16\Rawhide Pointers needed.

2011-06-17 Thread Michal Schmidt
On 06/17/2011 02:10 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: It works for a single boot, then removes itself from: /lib/systemd/system/systemd-user-sessions.service The file will get overwritten when a systemd package update comes. It's better to make a copy of it in /etc/systemd/system and edit that instead.

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 06/17/2011 03:28 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 06/17/2011 06:51 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: ... you mean by holy ghost intuition, feel tempted to press a key to access a hidden feature, where once was a simple feature? Alt+F1 which was the shortcut for accessing the menu still works. For

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/17/2011 07:08 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 06/17/2011 03:28 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 06/17/2011 06:51 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: ... you mean by holy ghost intuition, feel tempted to press a key to access a hidden feature, where once was a simple feature? Alt+F1 which was the

Re: what key between Ctrl Alt (was: GNOME3 and au revoir...)

2011-06-17 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 09:05 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: On 2011/06/17 08:53 (GMT-0300) Domingo Becker composed: The shortest way is by using keyboard, as Rahul says: 1. Press the key between Ctrl and Alt. What key between Ctrl Alt? The last good[1] keyboards made (AFAIK) predate

Re: Unresponsive Package Maintainer - Jeroen van Meeuwen

2011-06-17 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 17.6.2011 15:31, Kevin Fenzi napsal(a): On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:37:10 +0200 Farkas Leventelfar...@lfarkas.org wrote: On 06/17/2011 02:01 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote: I'm following the procedure at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers Does anyone know

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 5:21 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: ... you mean by holy ghost intuition, feel tempted to press a key to access a hidden feature, where once was a simple feature? The question really isn't whether or not to make use of the newer keys. The real question is

Re: slightly late heads up: soname bump for gssdp/gupnp

2011-06-17 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 13:11:34 +0100, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Hey All, Sorry for the late notice but there was a soname bump in gssdp/gupnp that I missed. Most of the broken packages have now been rebuilt and it should be cleaned up for the next rawhide run. I have

Re: slightly late heads up: soname bump for gssdp/gupnp

2011-06-17 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 13:11:34 +0100, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Hey All, Sorry for the late notice but there was a soname bump in gssdp/gupnp that I missed. Most of the broken packages have now been rebuilt and it should be cleaned up for the next rawhide run. Nevermind

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Bernd Stramm
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 11:36:21 +0200 Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: So in conclusion it is not that surprising at the end, that W7 and G3 are pretty similar. Tha's no excuse. Also the icons are getting bigger on both platforms. Yes and the text labels are tiny. Most icons are

Re: F15 Error mounting eCryptfs: [-5] Input/output error on different disks

2011-06-17 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 6/17/11 6:28 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:45:01 +0200, MP wrote: W dniu 16 czerwca 2011 21:43 użytkownik Eric Sandeen napisał: On 6/16/11 2:37 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: Hi, Do anyone noticed any problems with mounting eCryptfs recently on F15? It seems to me

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Bernd Stramm
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:33:18 +0900 夜神 岩男 supergiantpot...@yahoo.co.jp wrote: Considering the frequent calls of Gnome 3 has failed at its task or the GUI has failed if the user must makes me wonder: Where is the task definition or specification against which the implementation has

Re: F15: Reboot impossible after upgrade

2011-06-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.06.2011 15:32, schrieb Michal Schmidt: On 06/17/2011 02:10 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: what happens here? - upstart is replaced by systemd Is this bug 707717? not sure, i upgraded from F14 to F15 who does from F13 - jesus christ :-( i hope a hard-reset is not the solution for this

Re: what key between Ctrl Alt (was: GNOME3 and au revoir...)

2011-06-17 Thread Jared K. Smith
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Domingo Becker domingobec...@gmail.com wrote: What key between Ctrl Alt? The key that can not be named! It can be named... it's called the Super key. Well, at least mine is super, as it has a Fedora logo on it :-) -- Jared Smith Fedora Project Leader --

Re: what key between Ctrl Alt

2011-06-17 Thread Frank Murphy
On 17/06/11 15:42, Jared K. Smith wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Domingo Beckerdomingobec...@gmail.com wrote: What key between Ctrl Alt? The key that can not be named! It can be named... it's called the Super key. Mine's called Fred aka menu key. -- Regards, Frank Murphy

Re: Orphaning istanbul ahead of F-16.

2011-06-17 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jeff Spaleta (jspal...@gmail.com) said: If you want to pick up maintainership for istanbul let me know. I'm going to be retiring this package in about a week. What's the preferred screen recorder these days (outside of the shell easter egg?) Bill -- devel mailing list

[perl-Devel-SmallProf] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit 0ebb4a8722a265096048c9c3c33967dffe51bbf1 Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jun 17 16:58:08 2011 +0200 Perl mass rebuild perl-Devel-SmallProf.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Devel-SmallProf.spec

[perl-MLDBM] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit 08ed76228c9a9e0720f6e8d6792bbcd556051c65 Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jun 17 16:58:12 2011 +0200 Perl mass rebuild perl-MLDBM.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-MLDBM.spec b/perl-MLDBM.spec index

[perl-GTop] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit 2d123abe0dd487a3cfe1385a128adef351d21d92 Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jun 17 16:58:24 2011 +0200 Perl mass rebuild perl-GTop.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-GTop.spec b/perl-GTop.spec index

Re: Orphaning istanbul ahead of F-16.

2011-06-17 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: Jeff Spaleta (jspal...@gmail.com) said: If you want to pick up maintainership for istanbul let me know.  I'm going to be retiring this package in about a week. What's the preferred screen recorder these days (outside

Re: what key between Ctrl Alt (was: GNOME3 and au revoir...)

2011-06-17 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 6:42 AM, Jared K. Smith jsm...@fedoraproject.org wrote: It can be named... it's called the Super key.  Well, at least mine is super, as it has a Fedora logo on it :-) That's a bad place for the Fedora logo... just like its a bad place for the Windows logo. What is

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:59 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 01:19 +0200, Henrik Wejdmark wrote: My impression is that GNOME3 is trying to compete with Android and FrontRow, but have forgotten all of us who still uses desktops/laptops. We don't have touch

Re: what key between Ctrl Alt

2011-06-17 Thread Steve Clark
On 06/17/2011 09:05 AM, Felix Miata wrote: On 2011/06/17 08:53 (GMT-0300) Domingo Becker composed: The shortest way is by using keyboard, as Rahul says: 1. Press the key between Ctrl and Alt. What key between Ctrl Alt? The last good[1] keyboards made (AFAIK) predate keyboards with windows

Re: what key between Ctrl Alt (was: GNOME3 and au revoir...)

2011-06-17 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Domingo Becker wrote: 2011/6/17 Felix Miata : On 2011/06/17 08:53 (GMT-0300) Domingo Becker composed: The shortest way is by using keyboard, as Rahul says: 1. Press the key between Ctrl and Alt. What key between Ctrl Alt? The key that can not be named!

[perl-Text-Glob] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit 09dc3aba0e136202d3e6ac978d297bd976a66856 Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jun 17 17:24:46 2011 +0200 Perl mass rebuild perl-Text-Glob.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Text-Glob.spec

[perl-YAPE-Regex] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit 9dbcef2918441b814e27c836c1d0ce651e764cd8 Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jun 17 17:24:45 2011 +0200 Perl mass rebuild perl-YAPE-Regex.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-YAPE-Regex.spec

[perl-Text-Levenshtein] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit c150064d7328cd2b0696a5415c406944571a74b6 Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jun 17 17:24:46 2011 +0200 Perl mass rebuild perl-Text-Levenshtein.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Text-Levenshtein.spec

[perl-NOCpulse-Utils] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit e7323c3094ac3b151fb14bb1673f82c0caa7ba61 Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jun 17 17:24:57 2011 +0200 Perl mass rebuild perl-NOCpulse-Utils.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-NOCpulse-Utils.spec

[perl-MDV-Packdrakeng] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit e516d7f5bdd5ca6615c893a569b0f1924ea441df Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jun 17 17:25:07 2011 +0200 Perl mass rebuild perl-MDV-Packdrakeng.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-MDV-Packdrakeng.spec

[perl-Number-Format] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit a7f15f65347cade19fab547d54fe9bdde5b0e444 Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jun 17 17:25:11 2011 +0200 Perl mass rebuild perl-Number-Format.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Number-Format.spec

Re: what key between Ctrl Alt

2011-06-17 Thread Steve Clark
On 06/17/2011 09:43 AM, Tomas Mraz wrote: On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 09:05 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: On 2011/06/17 08:53 (GMT-0300) Domingo Becker composed: The shortest way is by using keyboard, as Rahul says: 1. Press the key between Ctrl and Alt. What key between Ctrl Alt? The last good[1]

[perl-CLASS] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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[perl-Devel-Refactor] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit b5a85b5bd455046f0af1d1d87099f1015c6b43d4 Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jun 17 17:25:31 2011 +0200 Perl mass rebuild perl-Devel-Refactor.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Devel-Refactor.spec

[perl-Proc-Wait3] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
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[perl-Parse-Yapp] Perl mass rebuild

2011-06-17 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit 316403d192cadaaef0bc4392ecad61afebf0fc74 Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jun 17 17:25:28 2011 +0200 Perl mass rebuild perl-Parse-Yapp.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Parse-Yapp.spec

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