On Fri, 2012-03-02 at 09:07 -0500, Jaroslav Skarvada wrote:
> Hi,
>
> there is F17 espeak bug:
> http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=799137
>
> requesting drop of portaudio from espeak to lower the
> number of deps. Is anybody against?
I'm very much in favor of it - we don't want both pul
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On 03/02/2012 03:21 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
Process looks like this:
* Guidelines updated
* Someone notices that the package does not follow the guidelines (Note that
this step does not require that the Guidelines were updated... the
packaging bug could have been missed during review or
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 12:37:40PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 03/02/2012 12:03 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> >
> >Are the changes enforced? I don't think so ...
>
> Interesting which begs the question to which purpose do the guideline
> serve if no one is actually making sure that it's
The kernel has several widespread bugs that are affecting all releases,
that are impacting a lot of users.
* Hibernation
There are so many bugs here it's hard to know where to begin.
- We have cases where it fails to sleep, or resumes instantly.
- There are cases where it looks to be workin
On Thu, 2012-03-01 at 21:53 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> In case anyone's wondering what that actually does, here's what I can
> figure out.
>
> What it does directly is to add the user to the 'wheel' group. I'm not
> sure what all the consequences of that are, but there's two I've been
> a
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 05:36, Nikos Roussos wrote:
> Here is a weird example of how Fedora currenty handles some permission
> procedures. I created a standard user account (no admin rights) and I'm
> trying to install a package. When I press apply I'm prompted to enter a
> password. Since I have
https://fedorahosted.org/389/ticket/305
https://fedorahosted.org/389/attachment/ticket/305/0001-Ticket-305-Certain-CMP-operations-hang-or-cause-ns-s.patch
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On 03/02/2012 01:34 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
I other words, all is proposal would be doing is to cause bureaucratic
churn.
Well it only causes bureaucratic churn or otherwise inconvenience for
non responding maintainers as in maintainers that do not respond to a
report in timely manner + t
On 03/02/2012 08:43 AM, Nicola Soranzo wrote:
> Il giorno ven, 02/03/2012 alle 14.41 +0200, Jonathan Dieter ha scritto:
>> I've orphaned buoh and libsoup22 in all active branches of Fedora. Buoh
>> is a GTK online comics reader that I haven't used in forever and
>> libsoup22 is a compat version o
On 03/02/2012 12:12 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 03/02/2012 11:02 AM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote:
Ok, so you'll automatically start non-responsive maintainer process,
because maintainer didn't work on a one bug. But he might be working on
different component for whole month. He might be wo
Hi,
* Adam Williamson
> If there's a bug against this, it could be nominated as a Beta or Final
> blocker.
Here's a few:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=538499
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=552099
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=591630
https://bugzilla.redh
Hi,
there is F17 espeak bug:
http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=799137
requesting drop of portaudio from espeak to lower the
number of deps. Is anybody against?
Thanks & regards
Jaroslav
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Daniel J Walsh wrote:
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> On 02/29/2012 04:03 PM, Scott Doty wrote:
>> On 02/29/2012 08:46 AM, David Malcolm wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2012-02-29 at 07:02 -0500, Neal Becker wrote:
I think he's got a point
http://www.osnews.com/story/256
On 03/02/2012 12:41 PM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:
Nope, if you are a packager already and you have a unit file you want to push
in my package just ask me about commit rights via pkgdb and a mail explaining
it and I'll definetely approve your request and I'm pretty sure that a number
of packag
* Dan Williams
> 0.9.4 snapshots do not require both methods to complete (with either
> success or failure) before saying the machine is connected. Thus if
> IPv4 completes first, NM will say it's connected, and continue IPv6 in
> the background. And vice versa.
That is true, however, if IPv6 c
Il giorno ven, 02/03/2012 alle 14.41 +0200, Jonathan Dieter ha scritto:
> I've orphaned buoh and libsoup22 in all active branches of Fedora. Buoh
> is a GTK online comics reader that I haven't used in forever and
> libsoup22 is a compat version of libsoup required for buoh. I don't
> think any p
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>
> Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 3:08:26 PM
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> > To: devel@l
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> Dne 2.3.2012 13:47, Aleksandar Kurtakov napsal(a):
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> > - Original Message -
> >> From: "V
Dne 2.3.2012 13:47, Aleksandar Kurtakov napsal(a):
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From: "Vít Ondruch"
To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:37:53 PM
Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy
Dne 2.3.2012 13:19, Aleksandar Kurtakov napsal(a):
- Ori
On 03/02/2012 12:37 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
Don't be so touchy please. The truth is somewhere in between. There
are maintainers who do not respond for whatever reason and there are
others who are solving reported issue in a minute. I don't believe
that it was meant to threaten anybody. You rea
On 2012-03-01, Michal Schmidt wrote:
> Dne 1.3.2012 17:52, Petr Pisar napsal(a):
>> where to get public key for verifying RPM signatures.
>
> The keys are at: https://fedoraproject.org/keys
>
And F16 primary key (A82BA4B7) is signed by... 1 guy. Awesome.
And ISO images propagated on Fedora web pa
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> To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:37:53 PM
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> Dne 2.3.2012 13:19, Aleksandar Kurtakov napsal(a):
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> > - Original Message -
> >> From: "M
On 02/03/12 13:37, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:
> I really have no idea nor I would have the time to deal with such
> thing anytime soon as it will also require development work if
> accepted. The current process works fine for me. I just wanted to
> show that there are better way than throwing out p
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> From: "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
> To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:34:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy
>
> On 03/02/2012 12:27 PM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:
> > Well, Fedora ships packages. I might
I've orphaned buoh and libsoup22 in all active branches of Fedora. Buoh
is a GTK online comics reader that I haven't used in forever and
libsoup22 is a compat version of libsoup required for buoh. I don't
think any packages other than buoh require libsoup22, but I could be
wrong.
Buoh's upstream
On 02/03/12 13:16, Panu Matilainen wrote:
> Not to mention bug reporter not necessarily understanding the full
> consequences of a change - change that might look trivial but has
> world-breaking effects.
>
> And FWIW, four week vacations are common in this part of the world...
>
> - Panu -
A
On 03/02/2012 12:03 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
Are the changes enforced? I don't think so ...
Interesting which begs the question to which purpose do the guideline
serve if no one is actually making sure that it's being followed?
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Dne 2.3.2012 13:19, Aleksandar Kurtakov napsal(a):
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From: "Matthias Runge"
To: "Development discussions related to Fedora"
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:05:07 PM
Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy
On 02/03/12 12:53, Marcela Mašláňová wrote:
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> From: "Matthias Runge"
> To: "Development discussions related to Fedora"
>
> Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:34:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy
>
> On 02/03/12 13:24, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:
> > Well, the whole idea came in a
On 03/02/2012 12:27 PM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:
Well, Fedora ships packages. I might be stupid but would someone please explain
me how can one deliver fixed/improved packages to users without do at least a
bit of packaging work. I don't see a way this to happen.
Spec files are no rocket sc
On 02/03/12 13:24, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:
> Well, the whole idea came in a second so someone should refine it.
> FWIW the period should be long enough - in my eyes not less than a
> months so if noone responded in like 3 months the fix would no longer
> be at least quick. And as always we trust
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> Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:27:04 PM
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>
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
> > T
On 02/03/12 13:06, Marcela Mašláňová wrote:
> Yes, I would be afraid that reporters won't be able to fix it
> properly. Even if I'm a provenpackager, I don't commit into
> packages not related to mine.
Yes, I guess, that's a more general problem. But since we have proven
packagers, they might jump
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> From: "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
> To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:16:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy
>
> On 03/02/2012 11:52 AM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:
> > So I would make a contra-proposal.
>
On 03/02/2012 12:21 PM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote:
Units again:)
Are you trying create some metrics because of units on whole
distribution? It simply won't fit to all groups.
No I'm only using units or rather the systemd migration process since
i'm most familiar with it.
( been doing it for 3 r
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> From: "Matthias Runge"
> To: "Development discussions related to Fedora"
>
> Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:15:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy
>
> On 02/03/12 13:10, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:
> > What about bug reporter being
On 03/02/2012 01:13 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 03/02/2012 11:47 AM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote:
>> Some developers prefer ignore it until they have time. Why should I
>> write yes, yes, it's broken, I'll look at it next month. That's not
>> helping anyway.
>
> I disagree it certainly doe
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> To: "Development discussions related to Fedora"
>
> Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:05:07 PM
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> On 02/03/12 12:53, Marcela Mašláňová wrote:
> > I'm afraid we end up with more b
On 03/02/2012 11:52 AM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:
So I would make a contra-proposal.
If a maintainer doesn't respond to a bug repord with the status new in a week -
give commit rights to the reporter in pkgdb so he/she can fix it himself.
I really think this is way more fare and people that t
On Fri, 2012-03-02 at 05:21 -0600, Conan Kudo (ニール・ゴンパ) wrote:
> For printers, currently installing printers does not require superuser
> privileges, but managing those printers installed by that user does.
> Is it possible to make it so that printers installed by that user can
> be managed by the
On 03/02/2012 02:00 PM, Matthias Runge wrote:
On 02/03/12 12:52, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:
If a maintainer doesn't respond to a bug repord with the status
new in a week - give commit rights to the reporter in pkgdb
so he/she can fix it himself.
I kind a' like this proposal. You're speaking of
On 02/03/12 13:10, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:
> What about bug reporter being unable to fix the mentioned bug?
Oh no. I'm mean unable to fix because of missing knowledge, not
unable because of missing commit rights.
I might file a bug against kernel, but I'm definitely not the right
person to patc
On 03/02/2012 11:47 AM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote:
Some developers prefer ignore it until they have time. Why should I
write yes, yes, it's broken, I'll look at it next month. That's not
helping anyway.
I disagree it certainly does matter.
For example let's take these two [1] [2] bugs that are o
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> To: "Development discussions related to Fedora"
>
> Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:00:32 PM
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> On 02/03/12 12:52, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:
> >
> > If a maintainer doesn't r
Dne 2.3.2012 12:52, Aleksandar Kurtakov napsal(a):
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From: "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
To: "Development discussions related to Fedora"
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 12:20:10 PM
Subject: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy
I am a feature owner for a feature that
On 03/02/2012 01:00 PM, Matthias Runge wrote:
> On 02/03/12 12:52, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:
>>
>> If a maintainer doesn't respond to a bug repord with the status
>> new in a week - give commit rights to the reporter in pkgdb
>> so he/she can fix it himself.
> I kind a' like this proposal. You're
On 02/03/12 12:53, Marcela Mašláňová wrote:
> I'm afraid we end up with more bureaucracy than we have now. I'm not
> against tracking some statistics, so you can look up who is active and
> probably will answer in few days, but I'd rather not use it for the
> unresponsive process.
>
> Marcela
I'm
Dne 2.3.2012 12:56, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" napsal(a):
On 03/02/2012 11:16 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
Actually I support such initiative. We have also filled a few bugs
against Ruby components which needs some love due to Ruby update and
it happens that we have no response. If there would be to
On 02/03/12 12:52, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:
>
> If a maintainer doesn't respond to a bug repord with the status
> new in a week - give commit rights to the reporter in pkgdb
> so he/she can fix it himself.
I kind a' like this proposal. You're speaking of current package
maintainers getting comm
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> To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 1:57:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy
>
> On 03/02/2012 12:52 PM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
>
On 03/02/2012 11:16 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
Actually I support such initiative. We have also filled a few bugs
against Ruby components which needs some love due to Ruby update and
it happens that we have no response. If there would be tool that
reports "yes, the maintainer was active in some
On 03/02/2012 12:52 PM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:
>
>
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
>> To: "Development discussions related to Fedora"
>>
>> Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 12:20:10 PM
>> Subject: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy
>>
>> I am a featur
On 03/02/2012 12:12 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 03/02/2012 11:02 AM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote:
>> Ok, so you'll automatically start non-responsive maintainer process,
>> because maintainer didn't work on a one bug. But he might be working on
>> different component for whole month. He mig
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> To: "Development discussions related to Fedora"
>
> Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 12:20:10 PM
> Subject: Automating the NonResponsiveMaintainers policy
>
> I am a feature owner for a feature that involves components in the
> hundred
On 03/02/2012 12:09 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>
> Am 02.03.2012 12:02, schrieb Marcela Mašláňová:
>> Ok, so you'll automatically start non-responsive maintainer process,
>> because maintainer didn't work on a one bug. But he might be working on
>> different component for whole month. He might be
Here is a weird example of how Fedora currenty handles some permission
procedures. I created a standard user account (no admin rights) and I'm
trying to install a package. When I press apply I'm prompted to enter a
password. Since I have no admin rights I would expect to be asked for the
root passw
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 2:12 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 10:53 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 2012-03-01 at 17:43 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote:
> >> On Thu, 2012-03-01 at 16:39 -0500, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> >>
> >>> I believe Fedora 17 has an add user to admin group check
Dne 2.3.2012 12:02, Marcela Mašláňová napsal(a):
On 03/02/2012 11:20 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
I am a feature owner for a feature that involves components in the
hundreds and is heavily depended on maintainers responsiveness.
For me to start enacting the non responsive maintainers poli
On 03/02/2012 11:02 AM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote:
Ok, so you'll automatically start non-responsive maintainer process,
because maintainer didn't work on a one bug. But he might be working on
different component for whole month. He might be working on a new
upstream release and not paying attention
On 03/02/2012 11:20 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> I am a feature owner for a feature that involves components in the
> hundreds and is heavily depended on maintainers responsiveness.
>
> For me to start enacting the non responsive maintainers policy is a
> tremendous work thus I'm wondering
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I am a feature owner for a feature that involves components in the
hundreds and is heavily depended on maintainers responsiveness.
For me to start enacting the non responsive maintainers policy is a
tremendous work thus I'm wondering if there is something preventing us
from automating the non
# F17 Beta Blocker Review meeting #1
# Date: 2012-03-02
# Time: 17:00 UTC [1] (12:00 EST, 09:00 PST)
# Location: #fedora-bugzappers on irc.freenode.net
It's that time again! The first F17 beta blocker bug review meeting
will be this Friday at 17:00 UTC in #fedora-bugzappers. We'll be
running throu
On Mar 1, 2012, at 10:53 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-03-01 at 17:43 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote:
>> On Thu, 2012-03-01 at 16:39 -0500, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
>>
>>> I believe Fedora 17 has an add user to admin group checkbox when
>>> adding the initial user, not sure if it is checked
On 03/02/2012 08:36 AM, Xibo Ning wrote:
> Hi all,
> Just as the subject. I did not find this perl module Pod::Plainer.
> This module is required by LSB dist test for LSB 4.1. But I did
> not find in LSB DB tables.
>
LSB should be fixed. Pod::Plainer was obsoleted by the Perl upstream:
http://sear
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