Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 10/09/2012 09:42 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 11:59:08AM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: In current versions .service is implied if no extension is provided: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39386 About time :-) Awesome. And I want to take a moment to thank

Re: Developing for Fedora Operating System

2012-10-10 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 9.10.2012 20:04, Rohit napsal(a): Respected Sir, I am seriously considering developing for the Fedora Linux Operating System. Also, I have interest in participating in Google Summer of Code 2013 under your organisation. I have knowledge of C, PHP, Javascript, Python(basic) and

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-10 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 10/09/2012 10:03 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 09.10.12 17:25, Panu Matilainen (pmati...@laiskiainen.org) wrote: Can I pass this somehow to yum? Or do I have to creat a macro file for this? You can set it in yum.conf (tsflags=nodocs), but then rpm wont know about it (so if you

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Frank Murphy
On 09/10/12 15:16, Lennart Poettering wrote: journalctl -D pathtothejournalfiles Lennart Can journalctl send the logs via logwatch? -- Regards, Frank Jack of all, fubars -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Björn Persson
Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 09.10.12 09:09, Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) wrote: How do you read this log when the system is not running (e.g. mounting filesystems of a drive on another system, running from a rescue image, etc.)? journalctl -D pathtothejournalfiles So the

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 09:50:43AM +0200, Björn Persson wrote: Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 09.10.12 09:09, Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) wrote: How do you read this log when the system is not running (e.g. mounting filesystems of a drive on another system, running from a

Re: iSuggestion] Initscript system independen rpm scriptlets macros

2012-10-10 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 01:02:54AM +0200, Jochen Schmitt wrote: Hallo, unfortunately, I have missed the discussion of the introduction of the new systemd rpm macros as a new packaging gueidlines. From my point of view this new set of macros has two disadvantages: 1. The macros are

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 09:54:28AM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 09:50:43AM +0200, Björn Persson wrote: Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 09.10.12 09:09, Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) wrote: How do you read this log when the system is not running (e.g.

Re: minimal install set tuning [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Alexander Larsson
On tis, 2012-10-09 at 12:34 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: On 10/9/12 9:18 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: From the list of packages this minimal set still installs, that I'd really like to see gone: chkconfig gamin info systemd-sysv chkconfig seems like it could have the

Re: [Feature Suggestion] UsrMove continued

2012-10-10 Thread Serge
2012/10/9 Jochen Schmitt wrote: I want to disagree with your suggestion. /root is the home directory of the superuser and should not be placed on a network device in opposite of the home directories of the ordinary users. The user root should be able to logon without a network connection to

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Björn Persson
Richard W.M. Jones wrote: I checked out the code, and it does seem as if the format is intended to be backwards compatible. It uses a set of filesystem-like compatible and incompatible flags, so presumably a sufficiently recent journalctl would be able to read any previous version of the

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:00:41PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote: Richard W.M. Jones wrote: I checked out the code, and it does seem as if the format is intended to be backwards compatible. It uses a set of filesystem-like compatible and incompatible flags, so presumably a sufficiently

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2012-10-10)

2012-10-10 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 10/10/2012 03:25 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 06:01:22PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco, e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the

Re: [Feature Suggestion] UsrMove continued

2012-10-10 Thread Serge
2012/10/9 tim.lauridsen wrote: So you make your system incompatible with every other Linux distro out there, and with all existing documentation, but to what end? Tidyness? Tidyness, simplicity, new features... Incompatible with older, but compatible with newer distros. That's close to what

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 10/10/2012 08:54 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: This would be essential for libguestfs tools to parse logs out of guests (we do it now by reading /var/log/messages etc which has all of the properties you state). I'm not sure how you are doing this currently but for shutdown guest I assume

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 10/10/2012 07:54 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: On 09/10/12 15:16, Lennart Poettering wrote: journalctl -D pathtothejournalfiles Lennart Can journalctl send the logs via logwatch? As far as I know logwatch has not been patched to parse and use journal. Try filing an RFE against logwatch

Re: [Feature Suggestion] UsrMove continued

2012-10-10 Thread Matěj Cepl
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 13:11:12 +0300, Serge wrote: Turning /lib into /usr/lib was also incompatible with every other Linux distro, nevertheless it's already done. The fact that we've made one useless and harmful mistake doesn't mean that we should repeat it all the time. Matěj -- devel

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 10:11:03AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 10/10/2012 08:54 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: This would be essential for libguestfs tools to parse logs out of guests (we do it now by reading /var/log/messages etc which has all of the properties you state). I'm

Re: [Feature Suggestion] UsrMove continued

2012-10-10 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 10:24:54AM +, Matěj Cepl wrote: On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 13:11:12 +0300, Serge wrote: Turning /lib into /usr/lib was also incompatible with every other Linux distro, nevertheless it's already done. The fact that we've made one useless and harmful mistake doesn't mean

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-10 Thread Daniel Veillard
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 09:45:09PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 06:14:39PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: Anaconda isn't going to do that unless there is rpm support to re-docify yourself. To accomplish this right now, every package would have to split out a -docs

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Björn Persson
Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:00:41PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote: So if my Fedora box won't boot, and I take the disk out and mount it in a CentOS box, I might not be able to read the log because journalctl in CentOS might be too old? Not fun. You can easily just

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-10 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 09.10.12 21:26, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 05:19:59PM -0700, J. Randall Owens wrote: Just on the naming, I'd rather steer clear of the actual concept, let me get this straight: You want a group called adm, presumably short for

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 10.10.12 09:50, Björn Persson (bjorn@rombobjörn.se) wrote: Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 09.10.12 09:09, Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) wrote: How do you read this log when the system is not running (e.g. mounting filesystems of a drive on another system, running from a

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-10 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Tue, 09.10.12 21:26, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 05:19:59PM -0700, J. Randall Owens wrote: Just on the naming, I'd rather steer clear of the actual concept, let me

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-10 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 07:17:58PM +0800, Daniel Veillard wrote: libxml2 takes up 5.2M, of which 3.8M is docs It really should go in -devel, I agree ! Check it out -- we've accomplished something with this thread. :) -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:12:26PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: About time :-) Awesome. And I want to take a moment to thank everyone for listening to these concerns. I'm optimistic that we can make this all work very nicely. Is this documented in the relevant man pages as well? In fact, I

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread drago01
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 10:11:03AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 10/10/2012 08:54 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: This would be essential for libguestfs tools to parse logs out of guests (we do it now by

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-10 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 01:58:58PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: The group is already there, so it's not a big stretch, but I agree the naming is confusing when used in this way. (wheel isn't exactly straightforward either, but at least it's Traditional.) As I already mentioned: adm has

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 02:54:13PM +0200, drago01 wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 10:11:03AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 10/10/2012 08:54 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: This would be essential for

Re: [Feature Suggestion] UsrMove continued

2012-10-10 Thread Michal Schmidt
Dne 10.10.2012 14:25, David Howells napsal(a): Actually, the UsrMove has mucked up at least one way of doing things: we have/had RHEL customer(s) who kept /usr on AFS and were able to boot just using the stuff in /bin and /sbin. This is no longer a viable option with Fedora, and presumably

F-18 Branched report: 20121010 changes

2012-10-10 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Wed Oct 10 09:15:26 UTC 2012 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [almanah] almanah-0.8.0-7.fc18.x86_64 requires libedataserverui-3.0.so.3()(64bit) almanah-0.8.0-7.fc18.x86_64 requires

Re: minimal install set tuning [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Alexander Larsson wrote: Honestly, we should be building glib2 with --disable-fam, since glib will prefer the inotify notification module anyway (it has prio 20 and fam prio 10). It looks[1] like Matthias was watching this thread. Yay! [1]

Unusual SCM Request?

2012-10-10 Thread Paul Flo Williams
I'm trying to make an SCM Request on a Package Review ticket to add a pseudo-user (the Fonts SIG) to a fonts package that has already been approved. I'd like to do a number of these, but I've started with bug 857487: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=857487#c4 I thought that the

Re: Packages in need of new maintainers UPDATED LIST

2012-10-10 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Peter Gordon pe...@thecodergeek.com wrote: Please add these two to the list: * meld (EPEL 5, EPEL 6) * opengl-games-utils (EPEL 6) Orphaned, take them. -J Thanks. -- Peter Gordon (codergeek42) pe...@thecodergeek.com Who am I? ::

Re: Unusual SCM Request?

2012-10-10 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Paul Flo Williams p...@frixxon.co.uk wrote: I'm trying to make an SCM Request on a Package Review ticket to add a pseudo-user (the Fonts SIG) to a fonts package that has already been approved. I'd like to do a number of these, but I've started with bug 857487:

Re: [Feature Suggestion] UsrMove continued

2012-10-10 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012, Matěj Cepl wrote: On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 13:11:12 +0300, Serge wrote: Turning /lib into /usr/lib was also incompatible with every other Linux distro, nevertheless it's already done. The fact that we've made one useless and harmful mistake doesn't mean that we should

Re: [Feature Suggestion] UsrMove continued

2012-10-10 Thread Ben Rosser
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.orgwrote: I cannot agree enough. Just b/c we've blundered down a bad route doesn't mean you cannot turn back. Instead of chiseling our way back, let's just revert and go. Not every decision a distribution makes is a good

Broken dependencies: perl-OpenOffice-UNO

2012-10-10 Thread buildsys
perl-OpenOffice-UNO has broken dependencies in the rawhide tree: On x86_64: perl-OpenOffice-UNO-0.07-3.fc17.x86_64 requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.14.2) On i386: perl-OpenOffice-UNO-0.07-3.fc17.i686 requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.14.2)

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-10 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2012-10-10 at 13:58 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 09.10.12 21:26, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 05:19:59PM -0700, J. Randall Owens wrote: Just on the naming, I'd rather steer clear of the actual concept, let me get this

Re: Developing for Fedora Operating System

2012-10-10 Thread Rohit
Thank You Very Much For Your Reply. I am Interested in the OS Developer Category. The Description of Programming i need to know for OS Development is not clear. What All programming languages should i know for OS Development ? One More Thing, I would like to know. The Fedora's GSoC 2012 Page

Re: [Feature Suggestion] UsrMove continued

2012-10-10 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Seth Vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org said: Not every decision a distribution makes is a good one, lets not get caught up believing that we cannot make mistakes. UsrMove was a mistake. End of discussion. Let's go back. I agree. The additional churn would be another

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Miloslav Trmač
I apologize, I'm ill and not generally up to providing detailed responses. So just some sourced facts to counter [1] untruths. For education on what current syslogs do, http://blog.gerhards.net/2012/10/main-advantages-of-rsyslog-v7-vs-v5.html is a possible start and

Re: [Feature Suggestion] UsrMove continued

2012-10-10 Thread David Tardon
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 01:11:12PM +0300, Serge wrote: 2012/10/9 tim.lauridsen wrote: +1 to Richard, I really don't see the purpose, why does it matter that number of dirs in /. I don't know why, but some people actually like when there're fewer subdirectories in a directory. Then I

Anyone know where to send iasl (Intel ACPI compiler) patches?

2012-10-10 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
I have added 4 patches to Fedora's iasl package, one of which fixes a serious segfault due to pointer truncation: http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/iasl.git/tree/ https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=856856 However I have absolutely no idea if iasl has an upstream as such, or where else

Re: Anyone know where to send iasl (Intel ACPI compiler) patches?

2012-10-10 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 04:20:02PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: I have added 4 patches to Fedora's iasl package, one of which fixes a serious segfault due to pointer truncation: http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/iasl.git/tree/ https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=856856

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz wrote: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: which syslog does not: for example per-service rate limits, False. http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/imuxsock.html, There is input rate limiting

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Kay Sievers k...@vrfy.org wrote: and unfakable meta-data for log messages. False: http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/imuxsock.html, trusted syslog properties are available (and in v7 they can be enabled in the Fedora configuration by default) It's well meant, but

Fedora ARM weekly status meeting 2012-10-10

2012-10-10 Thread Paul Whalen
Good day all, This weeks Fedora ARM status meeting will take place today (Wednesday Oct 10th) in #fedora-meeting-1 on Freenode. Times in various time zones (please let us know if these do not work): PDT: 1pm MDT: 2pm CDT: 3pm EDT: 4pm UTC: 8pm BST: 9pm CST: 10pm Current items on the agenda:

Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2012-10-10)

2012-10-10 Thread Kevin Fenzi
=== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2012-10-10) === Meeting started by nirik at 17:00:01 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-10-10/fesco.2012-10-10-17.00.log.html . Meeting summary

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 09.10.12 22:30, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: logrotate has time based policies for very good reasons. Yeah, because Unix doesn't really allow much else... Oh come on, stop bashing unix, logrotate could certainly grow a size checking policy if people felt the need, unix

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 09.10.12 22:30, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: logrotate has time based policies for very good reasons. Yeah, because Unix doesn't really allow much else... Oh come on, stop bashing unix, logrotate could certainly grow a size

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 10.10.12 17:05, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: I am not generally against adding time-based rotation, but really, this is much less of a necessity than other things the journal provides, which

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 10.10.12 14:16, Seth Vidal (skvi...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: On Tue, 09.10.12 22:30, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: logrotate has time based policies for very good reasons. Yeah, because Unix doesn't really allow much else... Oh come on, stop bashing unix, logrotate could

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 10.10.12 14:16, Seth Vidal (skvi...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: On Tue, 09.10.12 22:30, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: logrotate has time based policies for very good reasons. Yeah, because Unix doesn't really allow much else...

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 10.10.12 08:54, Frank Murphy (frankl...@gmail.com) wrote: On 09/10/12 15:16, Lennart Poettering wrote: journalctl -D pathtothejournalfiles Lennart Can journalctl send the logs via logwatch? Not sure I can parse this, but IIUC you are wondering whether logwatch is compatible

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 10.10.12 09:54, Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 09:50:43AM +0200, Björn Persson wrote: Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 09.10.12 09:09, Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) wrote: How do you read this log when the system is not running (e.g.

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 10.10.12 10:12, Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 09:54:28AM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 09:50:43AM +0200, Björn Persson wrote: Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 09.10.12 09:09, Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net)

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Konstantin Ryabitsev
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: Can journalctl send the logs via logwatch? Not sure I can parse this, but IIUC you are wondering whether logwatch is compatible with the journal. Not to my knowledge, no. But adding this should be fairly easy as

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Konstantin Ryabitsev i...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: Can journalctl send the logs via logwatch? Not sure I can parse this, but IIUC you are wondering whether logwatch is compatible

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 02:37:05PM -0400, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: So, in other words, all our existing log analysis tools have to be modified if they are to be of any use in Fedora 18? No, not in the even slightest. I don't think that's even up for discussion. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2012-10-10)

2012-10-10 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:08:31 +0200 Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com wrote: On 10/10/2012 03:25 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 06:01:22PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to this e-mail, file a new ticket at

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012, Kay Sievers wrote: So, in other words, all our existing log analysis tools have to be modified if they are to be of any use in Fedora 18? What part of Run the syslog daemon like you always did, if you need syslog files. did you not understand? Kay, This is not an

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Konstantin Ryabitsev
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Kay Sievers k...@vrfy.org wrote: So, in other words, all our existing log analysis tools have to be modified if they are to be of any use in Fedora 18? What part of Run the syslog daemon like you always did, if you need syslog files. did you not understand?

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2012-10-10)

2012-10-10 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:43:10PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: So, I was going to draft up a policy for this, but then I recalled that we already fixed the display-manager case (whichever one is installed last is run). Doesn't that come down to it's random in the combined case? In which case,

File Pod-Wordlist-hanekomu-1.122840.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by pghmcfc

2012-10-10 Thread Paul Howarth
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Pod-Wordlist-hanekomu: 771790afd40714c45297d82f81f79c64 Pod-Wordlist-hanekomu-1.122840.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Konstantin Ryabitsev i...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Kay Sievers k...@vrfy.org wrote: So, in other words, all our existing log analysis tools have to be modified if they are to be of any use in Fedora 18? What part of Run the

Small heads-up: Mesa packaging change for F18

2012-10-10 Thread Adam Jackson
Mesa 9.0 no longer includes a copy of libGLU, it is instead available as a separate tarball. To reflect this the packaging has been changed to build mesa-libGLU as its own srpm; likewise for the GL manpages, since both libGL-devel and libGLU-devel want to depend on them. This change has already

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 02:44:53PM -0400, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: Well, hang on, Kay. My understanding was that we're trying to make syslog an optional install in Fedora 18 (or is it 19?). If that is the The suggestion was to propose this as a feature for F19. I think there's some

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Konstantin Ryabitsev
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Additionally, it _would_ be cool for log monitoring and analysis tools to gain journald support, so that users of those tools can take advantage of all the features Lennart lists. If we could have some of those in

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Wed, 2012-10-10 at 15:01 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 02:44:53PM -0400, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: case, then even if I require rsyslog for a package, that won't work unless rsyslog is started and running. So, sysadmin's experience changes: Was: Install

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Additionally, it _would_ be cool for log monitoring and analysis tools to gain journald support, so that users of those tools can take advantage of all the features Lennart lists. If we could have some of those in

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Konstantin Ryabitsev
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: I am not generally against adding time-based rotation, but really, this is much less of a necessity than other things the journal provides, which syslog does not: for example per-service rate limits, and unfakable

File Test-Vars-0.002.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by pghmcfc

2012-10-10 Thread Paul Howarth
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Test-Vars: c0893e34824ae95decb8ca4329d4a77f Test-Vars-0.002.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Test-Vars] Update to 0.002

2012-10-10 Thread Paul Howarth
commit c335b7e86abb83b64b34da4256046c4b599022cf Author: Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org Date: Wed Oct 10 20:43:42 2012 +0100 Update to 0.002 - New upstream release 0.002 - Fix compatibility with Perl 5.16 (CPAN RT#72133) - Drop upstreamed patch for 5.16 compatibility

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Konstantin Ryabitsev i...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: I am not generally against adding time-based rotation, but really, this is much less of a necessity than other things the journal

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2012-10-10 at 21:44 +0200, Kay Sievers wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Konstantin Ryabitsev i...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: I am not generally against adding time-based rotation, but really, this

[perl-Test-Vars/f18] Update to 0.002

2012-10-10 Thread Paul Howarth
Summary of changes: c335b7e... Update to 0.002 (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2012-10-10 at 21:44 +0200, Kay Sievers wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Konstantin Ryabitsev i...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: I am

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-10 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 10:58:45AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Like to me rsyslog since the journal is an integrated part of systemd. Leaving aside the merits or otherwise of the journal, why does it need to be part of systemd? Why not have it as a separate project? (Perhaps requiring

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Konstantin Ryabitsev
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Kay Sievers k...@vrfy.org wrote: I think you overestimate how much a sysadmin cares about fake messages. The thing that's really important to a sysadmin is to make sure that none of the REAL messages are lost. If someone fakes root login entries by using

[Test-Announce] 2012-10-11 @ 16:00 UTC - F18 Beta Blocker Bug Review #3.1

2012-10-10 Thread Tim Flink
# F18 Beta Blocker Review meeting #3.1 # Date: 2012-10-11 # Time: 16:00 UTC [1] (12:00 EDT, 09:00 PDT) # Location: #fedora-qa on irc.freenode.net Since we didn't get through all of the bugs during the last meeting, we will have a continuation on 2012-10-11. We'll be running through the beta

[Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Power Management testday on Thursday (2012-10-11) also on-site

2012-10-10 Thread Jaroslav Skarvada
Hi, I'm glad to announce Power management testday, date: 2012-10-11 (Thursday), link: [1] During this event suspend/hibernate/resume, backlight control as well as tuned daemon will be tested. You can also measure compare power consumption with others. As a new F18 kernel feature suspend to

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 03:49:11PM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: So make it really better and support time-based rotation. You don't need to make time-based rotation the default, but you'll make a lot of people happy to have the option. Journald will rotate logs when signalled with SIGUSR2. So

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-10 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 09:06:56PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 10:58:45AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Like to me rsyslog since the journal is an integrated part of systemd. Leaving aside the merits or otherwise of the journal, why does it need to be part

[perl-Test-Vars] Created tag perl-Test-Vars-0.001-2.el6

2012-10-10 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Test-Vars-0.001-2.el6' was created pointing to: 5e27442... Initial import (perl-Test-Vars-0.001-2) -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Test-Vars] Created tag perl-Test-Vars-0.001-2.fc14

2012-10-10 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Test-Vars-0.001-2.fc14' was created pointing to: 5e27442... Initial import (perl-Test-Vars-0.001-2) -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Test-Vars] Created tag perl-Test-Vars-0.001-2.fc15

2012-10-10 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Test-Vars-0.001-2.fc15' was created pointing to: 5e27442... Initial import (perl-Test-Vars-0.001-2) -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Test-Vars] Created tag perl-Test-Vars-0.001-2.fc16

2012-10-10 Thread Paul Howarth
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[perl-Test-Vars] Created tag perl-Test-Vars-0.001-2.fc17

2012-10-10 Thread Paul Howarth
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[perl-Test-Vars] Created tag perl-Test-Vars-0.002-1.fc18

2012-10-10 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Test-Vars-0.002-1.fc18' was created pointing to: c335b7e... Update to 0.002 -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Test-Vars] Created tag perl-Test-Vars-0.002-1.fc19

2012-10-10 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Test-Vars-0.002-1.fc19' was created pointing to: c335b7e... Update to 0.002 -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-10 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 10:06 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 10:58:45AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Like to me rsyslog since the journal is an integrated part of systemd. Leaving aside the merits or otherwise of the journal, why does it need to

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Chris Murphy
On Oct 10, 2012, at 2:02 PM, Kay Sievers wrote: Syslog is by fact today already an add-on, and not a required component, it is just installed by default today. I don't use or run syslog on any of my boxes since quite a while. How is rsyslog properly disabled? sockets.target syslog.target

Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes

2012-10-10 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 10.10.12 21:06, Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 10:58:45AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Like to me rsyslog since the journal is an integrated part of systemd. Leaving aside the merits or otherwise of the journal, why does it need to be

Heads up: Active Directory Integration test day

2012-10-10 Thread Stef Walter
In case you're interested, there's an Active Directory integration test day for Fedora 18. Testing stuff like sssd and realmd with Active Directory. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2012-10-18_Active_Directory I'll be trying to get an Active Directory domain setup. But if you want to

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 10.10.12 22:19, Tomasz Torcz (to...@pipebreaker.pl) wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 03:49:11PM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: So make it really better and support time-based rotation. You don't need to make time-based rotation the default, but you'll make a lot of people happy to have the

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 10.10.12 14:39, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote: On Oct 10, 2012, at 2:02 PM, Kay Sievers wrote: Syslog is by fact today already an add-on, and not a required component, it is just installed by default today. I don't use or run syslog on any of my boxes since quite

Fedora ARM weekly status meeting minutes 2012-10-10

2012-10-10 Thread Paul Whalen
Good day all, Thanks to those who were able to join us for the weekly status meeting today. For those that were unable, the minutes are posted below: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-10-10/fedora-meeting-1.2012-10-10-20.00.html Minutes (text):

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Chris Murphy
On Oct 10, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 10.10.12 14:39, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote: How is rsyslog properly disabled? sockets.target syslog.target rsyslog.service all seem related. systemctl disable rsyslog.service should suffice. I did that

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2012-10-10)

2012-10-10 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 14:50:05 -0400 Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:43:10PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: So, I was going to draft up a policy for this, but then I recalled that we already fixed the display-manager case (whichever one is installed last

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