Re: Rawhide

2012-11-06 Thread Dan Horák
Jesse Keating píše v Út 06. 11. 2012 v 10:48 -0800: > On 11/06/2012 03:35 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: > > > > And rel-engs actively prohibits staging as much as they can [1], where > > it should be encouraged IMO. > > > > Vit > > > > > > [1] https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/4580 > > > Additio

Fedora Board, FAmSCo, FESCo Election Season, and Fedora Board Appointment.

2012-11-06 Thread Robyn Bergeron
The nomination period for FAmSCo (Fedora Ambassador Steering Committee), FESCo (Fedora Engineering Steering Committee), and the Fedora Board is now open, and will close on November 13, 2012, at 23:59:59 UTC. This election cycle will fill the following seats for a one-year period: * Fedora Board

Re: fedpkg / koji error

2012-11-06 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/06/2012 11:34 AM, Tom Callaway wrote: Jesse, please review and apply these upstream and make a new update. Fixed comments. Other patch (fedpkg-1.10-use-nil-to-unset-distunset.patch) is fine as is. Tweaked and pushed. Building an update now. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feat

Re: "network" service fails to set wireless parameters.

2012-11-06 Thread Björn Persson
Dan Williams wrote: > On Tue, 2012-11-06 at 21:47 +0100, Björn Persson wrote: > > I have a Wifi card that is supposed to be managed by the "network" > > service. The interface's IP addresses, prefixes, routes and all that > > get assigned correctly on boot, but the wireless parameters – mode, > > E

pulseaudio issue, any dbus exports?

2012-11-06 Thread Ian Malone
Hi, I'm trying to sort out a pulseaudio issue. It's failing to acknowledge a request (from Jack) to release a device. I've tried the pulseaudio list but haven't had any answers. The full thread is here: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/pulseaudio-discuss/2012-November/015210.html This is an

Re: "network" service fails to set wireless parameters.

2012-11-06 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2012-11-06 at 21:47 +0100, Björn Persson wrote: > I have a Wifi card that is supposed to be managed by the "network" > service. The interface's IP addresses, prefixes, routes and all that get > assigned correctly on boot, but the wireless parameters – mode, ESSID > and channel – do not g

"network" service fails to set wireless parameters.

2012-11-06 Thread Björn Persson
I have a Wifi card that is supposed to be managed by the "network" service. The interface's IP addresses, prefixes, routes and all that get assigned correctly on boot, but the wireless parameters – mode, ESSID and channel – do not get assigned. I have to set those manually with the iwconfig com

Re: New release cycle proposal (was Rolling release model philosophy (was ...))

2012-11-06 Thread Matthieu Gautier
Le 06/11/2012 20:19, Mark Bidewell a écrit : > oddly this looks a lot like the Ubuntu release cycle if you replace > stable with LTS Ubuntu LTS in about 5 years lifetime. Other releases have a lifetime of 18mo. For now, there is 5 maintained ubuntu versions at the same time (the older is from 2008

Re: New release cycle proposal (was Rolling release model philosophy (was ...))

2012-11-06 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/06/2012 07:54 PM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: One have to say the hard truth - only the latest fedora release is supported by many maintainers because that's what they/we use. Alexander Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse team Please read and follow the mailinglist guidelines... JBG -- devel maili

Re: New release cycle proposal (was Rolling release model philosophy (was ...))

2012-11-06 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
One have to say the hard truth - only the latest fedora release is supported by many maintainers because that's what they/we use. Alexander Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse team - Original Message - > From: "Matthieu Gautier" > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2012

Re: New release cycle proposal (was Rolling release model philosophy (was ...))

2012-11-06 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Tue, 2012-11-06 at 22:24 +0300, Peter Lemenkov wrote: > 2012/11/6 Matthieu Gautier : > > > Hum.. It should be some misunderstanding somewhere : > > Definitely. Please stop talking about things you have no idea about. You can also just show him where he is wrong rather than being pedantic. Aft

Re: fedpkg / koji error

2012-11-06 Thread Tom Callaway
On 11/06/2012 02:00 PM, Tom Callaway wrote: > Okay, so here are two patches: > > fedpkg-1.10-use-nil-to-unset-distunset.patch (this one uses %nil instead > of 0 in my previous fix) > fedpkg-1.10-unset-runtime-disttag.patch (this patch detects the runtime > environment and unsets the version speci

Re: New release cycle proposal (was Rolling release model philosophy (was ...))

2012-11-06 Thread Peter Lemenkov
2012/11/6 Matthieu Gautier : > Hum.. It should be some misunderstanding somewhere : Definitely. Please stop talking about things you have no idea about. -- With best regards, Peter Lemenkov. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/d

Re: New release cycle proposal (was Rolling release model philosophy (was ...))

2012-11-06 Thread Mark Bidewell
oddly this looks a lot like the Ubuntu release cycle if you replace stable with LTS On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Jason Brooks wrote: > On 11/06/2012 10:55 AM, Matthieu Gautier wrote: > > No, I never suggest that. Preview versions have a timelife of 6mo >> instead of 12. >> Stable version ha

Re: New release cycle proposal (was Rolling release model philosophy (was ...))

2012-11-06 Thread Matthieu Gautier
Le 06/11/2012 20:05, Peter Lemenkov a écrit : > 2012/11/6 Matthieu Gautier : >>> So you not a maintainer but you still suggesting that we, maintainers, >>> should do 2 times more job by supporting several simultaneous Fedora >>> versions instead of 3 right now for more than two years. And that's >>

Re: New release cycle proposal (was Rolling release model philosophy (was ...))

2012-11-06 Thread Jason Brooks
On 11/06/2012 10:55 AM, Matthieu Gautier wrote: No, I never suggest that. Preview versions have a timelife of 6mo instead of 12. Stable version have a lifetime of 24mo (12mo for regular updates) instead of 12. The cycle would have to go: stable, preview, preview, stable, and so on to avoid ma

Re: New release cycle proposal (was Rolling release model philosophy (was ...))

2012-11-06 Thread Peter Lemenkov
2012/11/6 Matthieu Gautier : >> So you not a maintainer but you still suggesting that we, maintainers, >> should do 2 times more job by supporting several simultaneous Fedora >> versions instead of 3 right now for more than two years. And that's >> all just because you think it's a good idea to spe

Re: fedpkg / koji error

2012-11-06 Thread Tom Callaway
On 10/23/2012 04:54 PM, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > Lo! > > On 23.10.2012 17:23, Tom Callaway wrote: >> On 10/22/2012 10:37 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >>> On 10/22/2012 10:43 PM, Tom Callaway wrote: On 10/22/2012 12:09 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> There is currently no way to "undefine" a m

Re: New release cycle proposal (was Rolling release model philosophy (was ...))

2012-11-06 Thread Matthieu Gautier
Le 06/11/2012 19:48, Peter Lemenkov a écrit : > Hello All. > > 2012/11/6 Matthieu Gautier : >> For example, if we start from Fedora20 at beginning of 2014: >> - Fedora20(jan 2014) is a stable release. (Fedora18 eol, actual way of >> doing) >> - Fedora21Preview(jul 2014) is an "unstable" release. (F

Re: New release cycle proposal (was Rolling release model philosophy (was ...))

2012-11-06 Thread Peter Lemenkov
Hello 2012/11/6 Jason Brooks : > For those who upgrade each release (or sooner), a 6mo life span for the > latest release wouldn't matter. Those who don't want to upgrade every six > months might well appreciate the two year life span. They should pay for RHEL. -- With best regards, Peter Lemenk

Re: New release cycle proposal (was Rolling release model philosophy (was ...))

2012-11-06 Thread Jason Brooks
On 11/06/2012 10:34 AM, Matthieu Gautier wrote: Hello all, I'm not a Fedora developer, nor package maintainer. I'm a French Fedora Ambassador for a long time. (I should say "I was" cause I don't do to many things last time, just wake up every 6 months for Fedora releases and other events). I'm a

Re: New release cycle proposal (was Rolling release model philosophy (was ...))

2012-11-06 Thread Peter Lemenkov
Hello All. 2012/11/6 Matthieu Gautier : > For example, if we start from Fedora20 at beginning of 2014: > - Fedora20(jan 2014) is a stable release. (Fedora18 eol, actual way of > doing) > - Fedora21Preview(jul 2014) is an "unstable" release. (Fedora 19 eol) > - Fedora21(jan 2015) is a stable releas

New release cycle proposal (was Rolling release model philosophy (was ...))

2012-11-06 Thread Matthieu Gautier
Hello all, I'm not a Fedora developer, nor package maintainer. I'm a French Fedora Ambassador for a long time. (I should say "I was" cause I don't do to many things last time, just wake up every 6 months for Fedora releases and other events). I'm also a developer but that's not about Fedora. Whil

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-06 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 16:04:39 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: When I do not react upon requests, I usually either missed or forgot about the request or deliberately do not yet want to approve. That said, what I feel is missing in Fedora's pkgdb web-forms is an option to "leave a comment to

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-06 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 11/06/2012 04:32 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 11/06/2012 01:07 PM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: Oh no, you are top posting again ;-) Could you create fesco ticket for this package? I proposed usage of the script in Johann's ticket https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/967#comment:7 Imho

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-06 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/06/2012 01:07 PM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: Oh no, you are top posting again ;-) Could you create fesco ticket for this package? I proposed usage of the script in Johann's ticket https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/967#comment:7 Imho it might be better to give acl to more people, then

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-06 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/06/2012 02:24 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 6.11.2012 14:17, Aleksandar Kurtakov napsal(a): - Original Message - From: "Vít Ondruch" To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 2:56:18 PM Subject: Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process So give me

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-06 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 6.11.2012 14:17, Aleksandar Kurtakov napsal(a): - Original Message - From: "Vít Ondruch" To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 2:56:18 PM Subject: Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process So give me the permission [1] as well as the others who

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-06 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - > From: "Vít Ondruch" > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 2:56:18 PM > Subject: Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process > > So give me the permission [1] as well as the others who requested it > before me. > > Apparently

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-06 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 11/06/2012 01:56 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote: So give me the permission [1] as well as the others who requested it before me. Apparently the current owner doesn't care. You can compare the version history in koji [2] and [3] and if he doesn't care about one package, it is reasonable to doubt that t

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-06 Thread Vít Ondruch
So give me the permission [1] as well as the others who requested it before me. Apparently the current owner doesn't care. You can compare the version history in koji [2] and [3] and if he doesn't care about one package, it is reasonable to doubt that the other packages will be in better state

F-18 Branched report: 20121106 changes

2012-11-06 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Tue Nov 6 09:15:33 UTC 2012 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [dhcp-forwarder] dhcp-forwarder-upstart-0.10-1801.fc18.noarch requires /sbin/initctl [dnf] dnf-0.2.14-2.git4831982.fc18.noarch requires python-hawkey >=

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-06 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
Is it really that hard for you people to follow our mailing list guidelines[1]? JBG 1.https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines#If_You_Are_Replying_to_a_Message -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-06 Thread Colin Walters
On Mon, 2012-11-05 at 22:52 -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > all we would gain is a way to distinguish an offical > build vs a scratch build in koji or a build someone did to mimic our > environment. I think what people mainly want here is a means to protect against man-in-the-middle attacks between

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-06 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
I agree. I'd rather give people permission to co-maintain package, then push them out of community. I'm afraid we can only loose maintainers by measurements of activity. Marcela On 11/06/2012 12:10 PM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: It's the whole thread that implies that not your mail only. No o

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-06 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 4.11.2012 10:31, Panu Matilainen napsal(a): On 11/04/2012 02:32 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: - Autoqa could perhaps help out, but I am not holding my breath. ;) Yeh, autoqa can't do a whole lot when its builds often intentionally dependencies break (eg soname bumps). Unless such builds were re

[Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Beta Go/No-Go Meeting, Thursday, November 08 @ 19:00 UTC (2pm Eastern, 11am Pacific)

2012-11-06 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
Join us on irc.freenode.net in #fedora-meeting-1 for this important meeting, wherein we shall determine the readiness of the Fedora 18 Beta. Thursday, November 08, 2012 @19:00 UTC (14:00 EST/11:00 PST/20:00 CET) "Before each public release Development, QA and Release Engineering meet to determine

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-06 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
It's the whole thread that implies that not your mail only. No one managed to explain why there should be actions against people instead of packages. I would be really thankful if someone explains how he can getter better measurement of people activity than of package maintenance problems and w

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-06 Thread Vít Ondruch
I don't know what are you reading in my response, but I definitely did not propose anything like "noone wants people that are ready to do one thing in a year". Vit Dne 6.11.2012 09:52, Aleksandar Kurtakov napsal(a): Where is the community spirit? What went wrong with fedora community? Why o

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-06 Thread Matěj Cepl
On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:53:37 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> That's called CentOS, > Nope ... CentOS/RHEL is a different end of extremes. > > 7 years+ life-time, no API changes, etc. > What is lacking is a middle ground between "Fedora" and "CentOS". > > Something with a life-time of "~2 years",

Re: A question about system-config-* tools

2012-11-06 Thread Mat Booth
On 6 November 2012 08:07, MANIK BAJPAI wrote: > Hi, > I have developed a small s390 (System z/mainframe) specific utility > that allows the user to configure the stand-alone or a "VM" kind of dump. > This is somewhat similar to system-config-kdump, but this is not a 'kdump' > tool. I just wa

Re: Feature template update [was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule...]

2012-11-06 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/06/2012 05:35 AM, Garrett Holmstrom wrote: On 2012-11-05 12:22, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 11/05/2012 07:52 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: A crit path update that affects, say, two packages and nothing else, could be "approved by default" as well. Many of the crit path features however

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-06 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
Where is the community spirit? What went wrong with fedora community? Why on earth do you people insist on tracking people activity and not try detecting unmaintained packages? Detecting unmaintained packages is even easier and has clearer metrics. Really, why noone wants people that are ready

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-06 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 5.11.2012 10:22, Marcela Mašláňová napsal(a): On 11/02/2012 06:57 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 11/02/2012 04:56 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:44:06 + "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 11/02/2012 04:25 PM, Tom Lane wrote: =?UTF-8?B?IkrDs2hhbm4gQi4gR3XDsG11bmR

Re: Any issue with fedpkg new-sources?

2012-11-06 Thread Elio Maldonado Batiz
On 11/03/2012 08:27 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 09:41:05 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 09:29:07 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: Hans and I have been having a problem uploading the source for the new version of hegdewars to the lookaside cache. T

A question about system-config-* tools

2012-11-06 Thread MANIK BAJPAI
Hi, I have developed a small s390 (System z/mainframe) specific utility that allows the user to configure the stand-alone or a "VM" kind of dump. This is somewhat similar to system-config-kdump, but this is not a 'kdump' tool. I just wanted to know if I can contribute it as a patch to th