GSoC'13 Proposal

2013-05-03 Thread ajay kulkarni
Hi, my proposal is in the link http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/ajay143kulkarni/1# and my application at fedora wiki page is in the link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ajaykulkarni Please have a look :) and don't forget to send remarks :) -- Your sincerly

Re: [GSoC13] Implement a binding translator for GlusterFS

2013-05-03 Thread Tiago Lam
On 05/03/2013 06:23 AM, Sarup Banskota wrote: > Hi Adam, > [...] > > And Tiago, anything you reply to, try to do a "reply-all" so that the > summer-coding mailing list receives it too. You'll get a lot more help > out of them. :) > > Thank you, > Sarup Banskota Yes, I did that in the previous

Re: Self introduction, and maintaining MySQL package

2013-05-03 Thread Bjorn Munch
On 02/05 17.53, Honza Horak wrote: > > > I have just submitted a request for rename of the package > > community-mysql "back" to mysql-community: > > > > However, I need to repeat that this could have some impact to > choosing default package when asking for "mysql" name, as I've > described at:

Re: Adding open-vm-tools to core group

2013-05-03 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Ravindra Kumar (ravindraku...@vmware.com) said: >> (Batching a bunch of replies) >> >> > Install and uninstall looks a bit weird to me; what could be >> > done is to make the package conditionally whether it's running >> > in a VMware VM or

Re: no kernels updates in F17 ?

2013-05-03 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote: > On Qui, 2013-05-02 at 15:22 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: >> On Mon, 2013-04-29 at 15:01 +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote: >> > On Sáb, 2013-04-27 at 15:59 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: >> > > this one is no longer relevant and if there would be a karma

Re: Self introduction, and maintaining MySQL package

2013-05-03 Thread Norvald H. Ryeng
On Fri, 03 May 2013 12:43:33 +0200, Bjorn Munch wrote: On 02/05 17.53, Honza Horak wrote: > I have just submitted a request for rename of the package > community-mysql "back" to mysql-community: > However, I need to repeat that this could have some impact to choosing default package when a

Re: Adding open-vm-tools to core group

2013-05-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Ven 3 mai 2013 01:46, Adam Williamson a écrit : > I don't really hate the 'let's just install it everywhere and make sure > it doesn't run unless it's necessary' approach, but it is kinda lazy > engineering, and it *does* waste space on those small-space cases Peter > is always reminding us ab

rawhide report: 20130503 changes

2013-05-03 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Fri May 3 08:15:02 UTC 2013 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [InsightToolkit] InsightToolkit-4.3.1-10.fc20.i686 requires libgdcmMSFF.so.2.0 InsightToolkit-4.3.1-10.fc20.i686 requires libgdcmIOD.so.2.0 Insi

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-05-01)

2013-05-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mer 1 mai 2013 17:53, Toshio Kuratomi a écrit : > #topic Clarify release name guidelines - Explicitly list blacklisted > characters Since UTF-8 contains many glyphs with similar shapes and uses, the guideline needs to first explicitly state that release names must be encoded in UTF-8, and sec

Re: Idea: "{Gnome,KDE,Xfce,...} Minimal Desktop" groups

2013-05-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mer 1 mai 2013 01:37, Sandro Mani a écrit : > (here it might be a good idea to have the dejavu-sans-fonts as > dependencies of kdm / kde-workspace?) Please not, such font hardcoding in deps does not age well. If you want to preselect specific font packages, do it via comps groups. -- Nicola

Re: Adding open-vm-tools to core group

2013-05-03 Thread Simone Caronni
On 3 May 2013 01:46, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 22:44 +0200, Simone Caronni wrote: > > I think is already a bit too late, unfortunately. On my laptop: > > > > xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-13.0.0-1.fc18.x86_64 > > xorg-x11-drv-vmware-12.0.2-3.20120718gite5ac80d8f.fc18.x86_64 > > xorg-x

Re: Idea: "{Gnome,KDE,Xfce,...} Minimal Desktop" groups

2013-05-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mer 1 mai 2013 02:17, Sandro Mani a écrit : > > On 01.05.2013 02:08, Felix Miata wrote: >> On 2013-05-01 01:37 (GMT+0200) Sandro Mani composed: >> # yum install @critical-path-gnome >> >>> The gnome one is close, the kde one not: critpath contains kdelibs and >>> kdm, but a minimal set wou

New build should not always obsolete previous one in Bodhi

2013-05-03 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 3.5.2013 00:22, Adam Williamson napsal(a): On Mon, 2013-04-29 at 15:01 +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote: On Sáb, 2013-04-27 at 15:59 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: this one is no longer relevant and if there would be a karma-option in koji i would have given as i rolled out 3.8.8-102.fc17.x86_64 in p

Re: Re: F-19 Branched report: 20130425 changes

2013-05-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Ven 26 avril 2013 13:43, José Matos a écrit : > FWIW as it can be seen above ctan-musixtex-fonts should follow the same > fate of tex-musixtex. I'm pretty sure the texlive font package does not follow packaging guidelines, while ctan-musixtex-fonts is clean -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mai

Re: Idea: "{Gnome,KDE,Xfce,...} Minimal Desktop" groups

2013-05-03 Thread Sandro Mani
On 03.05.2013 14:20, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Mer 1 mai 2013 02:17, Sandro Mani a écrit : On 01.05.2013 02:08, Felix Miata wrote: On 2013-05-01 01:37 (GMT+0200) Sandro Mani composed: # yum install @critical-path-gnome The gnome one is close, the kde one not: critpath contains kdelibs and k

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Miroslav Suchý
On 05/01/2013 10:03 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: 2) The web server environment Contains web server and web server runtimes (PHP, JBoss, Mongo, perl, python, rails) +1 If you are running web server, then you probably have internet connection. It is not necessary gigabit ethernet, but on the oth

Re: New build should not always obsolete previous one in Bodhi

2013-05-03 Thread Simone Caronni
On 3 May 2013 14:25, Vít Ondruch wrote: > me as well, if the newer build would not always obsolete the older build. > Is there planned such feature for Bodhi? > I would also like to see it implemented. I would like to have the option to leave updates in "pending" waiting for confirmation rather

F-19 Branched report: 20130503 changes

2013-05-03 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Fri May 3 09:15:02 UTC 2013 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [byzanz] byzanz-0.3-0.5.fc17.x86_64 requires libpanel-applet-4.so.0()(64bit) [deltacloud-core] deltacloud-core-1.0.5-2.fc19.noarch requires ruby(abi) =

Re: Q: webfonts:

2013-05-03 Thread Miroslav Suchý
On 04/29/2013 11:22 AM, Alec Leamas wrote: The reply makes me feel a little more confused, on a higher level. How does that reply translate to the packaging of a web application with some bundled webfonts ? "scratching my head". Me too :) Note that in my case the "fonts" are just just images

[perl-Module-Build-Tiny/f18] (2 commits) ...Update to 0.019

2013-05-03 Thread Paul Howarth
Summary of changes: 8758c87... Update to 0.018 (*) 919b19f... Update to 0.019 (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org ht

Re: no kernels updates in F17 ?

2013-05-03 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Sex, 2013-05-03 at 07:13 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote: > > On Qui, 2013-05-02 at 15:22 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> On Mon, 2013-04-29 at 15:01 +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote: > >> > On Sáb, 2013-04-27 at 15:59 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > >>

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-05-01)

2013-05-03 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Nicolas Mailhot said: > Le Mer 1 mai 2013 17:53, Toshio Kuratomi a écrit : > > #topic Clarify release name guidelines - Explicitly list blacklisted > > characters > > Since UTF-8 contains many glyphs with similar shapes and uses, the > guideline needs to first explicitly state t

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > On 05/01/2013 06:37 PM, Pádraig Brady wrote: > > > Why are we tied to DVD-5, 4.7GB (4.3GiB) at all? > > Do we distribute DVDs? > > Yes. Check with Fedora Ambassadors in EMEA. No. For Fedora 18, we did not have installation DVD media produced. One reason was missin

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-05-01)

2013-05-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Ven 3 mai 2013 15:17, Chris Adams a écrit : > Once upon a time, Nicolas Mailhot said: >> Le Mer 1 mai 2013 17:53, Toshio Kuratomi a écrit : >> > #topic Clarify release name guidelines - Explicitly list blacklisted >> > characters >> >> Since UTF-8 contains many glyphs with similar shapes and u

Re: GSoC'13 Proposal

2013-05-03 Thread Tiago Lam
On 05/03/2013 08:00 AM, ajay kulkarni wrote: > Hi, > [...] > and my application at fedora wiki page is in the link > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ajaykulkarni > > Please have a look :) and don't forget to send remarks :) > -- > Your sincerly, > AjayKumar N Kulkarni Hi AjayKumar, T

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > FWIW I agree with the general trend of discussion so far: let's find > things to drop that don't really need to be on the DVD so we can keep > MATE and Cinnamon. You can install those from live images or from repos > of course, just like anything else, but they are th

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > On 05/01/2013 10:03 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > 2) The web server environment > > > > Contains web server and web server runtimes (PHP, JBoss, Mongo, perl, > > python, rails) > > +1 > > If you are running web server, then you probably have internet > connection.

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 05/03/2013 01:40 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: - Original Message - FWIW I agree with the general trend of discussion so far: let's find things to drop that don't really need to be on the DVD so we can keep MATE and Cinnamon. You can install those from live images or from repos of course

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > On 05/03/2013 01:40 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > - Original Message - > >> FWIW I agree with the general trend of discussion so far: let's find > >> things to drop that don't really need to be on the DVD so we can keep > >> MATE and Cinnamon. You can install

Re: Q: webfonts:

2013-05-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 29 avril 2013 11:22, Alec Leamas a écrit : > The reply makes me feel a little more confused, on a higher level. How > does that reply translate to the packaging of a web application with > some bundled webfonts ? "scratching my head". That means that you usually do not need a special form

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Jaroslav Reznik said: > But I tend to agree with trend - aim on users with DVDs, developers are > usually able to bring stuff for theirs development needs (and there are > much more options to select the right set than desktops). So count me > +1 to remove it. Development is suc

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 01:45:51PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 05/03/2013 01:40 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > >- Original Message - > >>FWIW I agree with the general trend of discussion so far: let's find > >>things to drop that don't really need to be on the DVD so we can kee

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 05/03/2013 01:54 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: While you can do all this with the netinstall ISO + a hosted install tree, this is not as convenient, because hosting or mirroring a single DVD image is much easier than mirroring an entire web install tree. Surely if you are mass creating vm's

Re: Q: bundled fonts.

2013-05-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 23 avril 2013 17:55, Alec Leamas a écrit : > So one question would be what happens in such a definition if none of > the src: elements are found. The browser will try to display something with its system fonts. If the missing fonts used standard encoding, it may even work perfectly. Anywa

Re: Self introduction, and maintaining MySQL package

2013-05-03 Thread James Hogarth
> > Please log this in the package review. Let's proceed with the rest of the > review and look at renaming as a separate issue later. > > > The current maintainers of community-mysql stated that their preference was to wait for F20 for community-msql 5.6 a couple of weeks back given that we are

Re: GSoC'13 Proposal

2013-05-03 Thread ajay kulkarni
Hi, Oh, I've rectified my mistake. And now my fedora proposal is available in GSoC student application page of fedora wiki. Here is the link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSOC_2013/Student_Application_ajaykulkarni On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Tiago Lam wrote: > On 05/03/2013 08

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 08:54:37 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: Long-term (if we want to continue handling lots of packages on install DVDs), what would be nice would be for anaconda to support multiple DVDs for install _and_ allow them to be inserted for repo reading (so you could have a "Desktop

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III said: > I don't think that's the route we want to take. This was a pain to support > in the CD era and it won't be that long before we won't feel limited by > DVD size and produce larger images. (Note the source rpm image is larger > than a DVD already.) At th

Re: Q: bundled fonts.

2013-05-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 23 avril 2013 19:10, Toshio Kuratomi a écrit : >> There will probably be more of this, fedora-review is updated with a >> new test looking for bundled font files.My gut feeling is also that >> there are some other bundled fonts in existing packages... There are many packaging font tests

Re: Q: webfonts:

2013-05-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Ven 3 mai 2013 14:45, Miroslav Suchý a écrit : >> Note that in my case the "fonts" are just just images and icons, which >> makes the normal font fallback mechanisms useless. They are needed, >> period. > > Well it is not defined in policy. Actually, the current policy forbids fonts anywhere

Re: Q: webfonts:

2013-05-03 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "NM" == Nicolas Mailhot writes: NM> I'm not convinced at all this needs changing, since mod_alias NM> permits mapping of system paths anywhere you want in your URL space. But selinux probably doesn't, so the issue is slightly more complicated. - J< -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedo

Re: Adding open-vm-tools to core group

2013-05-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.05.2013 13:30, schrieb Nicolas Mailhot: > Le Ven 3 mai 2013 01:46, Adam Williamson a écrit : > >> I don't really hate the 'let's just install it everywhere and make sure >> it doesn't run unless it's necessary' approach, but it is kinda lazy >> engineering, and it *does* waste space on tho

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.05.2013 15:45, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: > Why bother with the DVD et all and enter countless debates what should and > should not be on it. > > Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the > netinstall and or ks and desktop users will use live spins? because it

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 01:59:42PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 05/03/2013 01:54 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > >While you can do all this with the netinstall ISO + a hosted > >install tree, this is not as convenient, because hosting or > >mirroring a single DVD image is much easier

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 09:12:09 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III said: I don't think that's the route we want to take. This was a pain to support in the CD era and it won't be that long before we won't feel limited by DVD size and produce larger images. (Note the

Re: Q: webfonts:

2013-05-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Ven 3 mai 2013 16:24, Jason L Tibbitts III a écrit : >> "NM" == Nicolas Mailhot writes: > > NM> I'm not convinced at all this needs changing, since mod_alias > NM> permits mapping of system paths anywhere you want in your URL space. > > But selinux probably doesn't, so the issue is slightl

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III said: > On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 09:12:09 -0500, > Chris Adams wrote: > >At this point, why is there a source RPM ISO? Does anybody actually use > >it to get source RPMs? > > I suspect it is mainly for GPL compliance. It has the packages at the > same state a

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Paul Wouters
On Fri, 3 May 2013, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: Surely if you are mass creating vm's you use ks + cobbler and or spacewalk to do that instead af ISO file. Both of those require you to deploy extra infrastructure, which isn't needed if using the ISO. Different approaches suit different people, an

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 05/03/2013 02:34 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 01:59:42PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 05/03/2013 01:54 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: While you can do all this with the netinstall ISO + a hosted install tree, this is not as convenient, because hosting or m

GSOC Proposal

2013-05-03 Thread Mrigesh Pokhrel
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSOC_2013/Student_Application_rag3nix -- Thanks and Regards Mrigesh Pokhrel +91 9807585021 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: GSOC Proposal

2013-05-03 Thread Sarup Banskota
Hi Mrigesh, I think you've sent the wrong link - this one is the application :) Thank you, Sarup Banskota On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Mrigesh Pokhrel wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSOC_2013/Student_Application_rag3nix > > -- > Thanks and Regards > Mrigesh Pokhrel > +91 9807585021

Re: Q: webfonts:

2013-05-03 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "NM" == Nicolas Mailhot writes: NM> I don't think selinux will block web server accesses to NM> /usr/share/fonts/something, since we deploy webapps in NM> /usr/share/something_else, which is pretty much the same namespace. Well, there are a whole lot of specific fcontext entries for conten

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 05/03/2013 09:45 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the netinstall and or ks and desktop users will use live spins? JBG I don't know if it is still the case, but historically you could NOT specify a file system different from t

Review swap

2013-05-03 Thread Jon Ciesla
I'd like to get trac10 (trac 1.0.1) into EL-6 sooner rather than later, so I'll take one of yours in return. Thanks! -J -- http://cecinestpasunefromage.wordpress.com/ in your fear, seek only peace in your fear, seek only love -d. bowie -- devel

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/03/2013 04:22 PM, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: On 05/03/2013 09:45 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the netinstall and or ks and desktop users will use live spins? JBG I don't know if it is still the case, but historically you c

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 05/03/2013 12:30 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 05/03/2013 04:22 PM, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: On 05/03/2013 09:45 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the netinstall and or ks and desktop users will use live spins? JBG I don't know

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 3 May 2013, at 09:45, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Why bother with the DVD et all and enter countless debates what should and should not be on it. Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the netinstall and or ks and desktop users will use live spins? When you do

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Dan Mashal
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:45 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 05/03/2013 01:40 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: >> > Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the netinstall > and or ks and desktop users will use live spins? > > JBG > I used to use the DVD at one point as a u

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Dan Mashal wrote: > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:45 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" > wrote: > > On 05/03/2013 01:40 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > >> > > Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the > netinstall > > and or ks and desktop users will us

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/03/2013 01:14 PM, Mike Pinkerton wrote: So, in the end, I had to do all the installations with a DVD, then do updates from our internal Fedora repo. I've been meaning to file a bug about this, but haven't found the time yet. You could try the latest dev release of Fedora 19 and see i

Re: Review swap

2013-05-03 Thread Dan Mashal
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Jon Ciesla wrote: > I'd like to get trac10 (trac 1.0.1) into EL-6 sooner rather than later, so > I'll take one of yours in return. Thanks! > > -J > > -- > http://cecinestpasunefromage.wordpress.com/ > > in your fear,

Re: Review swap

2013-05-03 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Dan Mashal wrote: > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Jon Ciesla wrote: > > I'd like to get trac10 (trac 1.0.1) into EL-6 sooner rather than later, > so > > I'll take one of yours in return. Thanks! > > > > -J > > > > -- > > http://cecinestpasunefromage.wordpress.c

Re: Review swap

2013-05-03 Thread Dan Mashal
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Jon Ciesla wrote: > > > > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Dan Mashal wrote: >> >> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Jon Ciesla wrote: >> > I'd like to get trac10 (trac 1.0.1) into EL-6 sooner rather than later, >> > so >> > I'll take one of yours in return. Thanks

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: > - Original Message - > > FWIW I agree with the general trend of discussion so far: let's find > > things to drop that don't really need to be on the DVD so we can keep > > MATE and Cinnamon. You can install those from live images or from repos >

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/03/2013 02:16 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Hm, I've always thought of it differently - if we're trying to provide good value in the DVD media as a demonstration of all the things you can do with Fedora, isn't there more value in a development workstation, or a design suite, or a web applica

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Dan Mashal
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Hm, I've always thought of it differently - if we're trying to provide good > value in the DVD media as a demonstration of all the things you can do with > Fedora It did. Until I couldn't install multiple desktops anymore. (18) >Isn't the

Re: Q: webfonts:

2013-05-03 Thread Alec Leamas
On 05/03/2013 03:51 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Lun 29 avril 2013 11:22, Alec Leamas a écrit : The reply makes me feel a little more confused, on a higher level. How does that reply translate to the packaging of a web application with some bundled webfonts ? "scratching my head". That means

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Mike Pinkerton said: > Does anaconda check package signatures for the netinstall? I believe so. Checksums are definately checked (RPM won't install a corrupt package). > Does netinstall even work well? Certainly. I actually haven't installed Fedora (or RHEL/CentOS) any other

Re: Q: webfonts:

2013-05-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Ven 3 mai 2013 21:06, Alec Leamas a écrit : > Still hesitating a here: if upstream has decided to support the widest > possible set of browsers (including IE): should we really just drop the > formats required by IE? From a user perspective, I don't really follow > this although I do underst

[389-devel] please review: Ticket 580 - Wrong error code returned when using EXTERNAL SASL

2013-05-03 Thread Mark Reynolds
https://fedorahosted.org/389/ticket/580 https://fedorahosted.org/389/attachment/ticket/580/0001-Ticket-580-Wrong-error-code-return-when-using-EXTERN.patch -- Mark Reynolds Red Hat, Inc mreyno...@redhat.com -- 389-devel mailing list 389-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.o

Re: Adding open-vm-tools to core group

2013-05-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-05-03 at 11:59 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Ravindra Kumar (ravindraku...@vmware.com) said: > >> (Batching a bunch of replies) > >> > >> > Install and uninstall looks a bit weird to me; what could be > >> > done is to make t

Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Dan Mashal
Hi, In the latest Fedora 19 Beta TC2 install after I got through the initial steps of the install I started to setup my root password. To my surprise my password was shown in plain text instead of bullets. I believe that this is a major security risk and that this is a new UI change going forwar

[Test-Announce] Planned Outage: System reboots - 2013-05-07 21:00 UTC

2013-05-03 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Outage: System reboots - 2013-05-07 21:00 UTC There will be an outage starting at 2013-05-07 21:00 UTC, which will last approximately 3 hours. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2013-05-07 21:00 UTC' R

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Reartes Guillermo
I think that the previous behaviour was better. (covering the password with bullets). At least the phones only show one character at a time, not the whole password. Cheers. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Dan Mashal wrote: > Hi, > > In the latest Fedora 19 Beta TC2 install after I got through

Pending soname bumps for m4ri, m4rie, and ntl

2013-05-03 Thread Jerry James
I would like to push updates for m4ri 20130416, m4rie 20130416, and ntl 6.0.0 to Rawhide. Each of those updates involves an soname bump. This will require rebuilds of the following packages: eclib flint latte-integrale linbox Macaulay2 polybori sagemath Singular I have built all of these in mock

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-05-03 at 08:54 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > Long-term (if we want to continue handling lots of packages on install > DVDs), what would be nice would be for anaconda to support multiple DVDs > for install _and_ allow them to be inserted for repo reading (so you > could have a "Desktop D

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-05-03 at 16:22 -0400, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: > On 05/03/2013 09:45 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > > Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the > > netinstall and or ks and desktop users will use live spins? > > > > JBG > > I don't know if it is still th

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Chris Murphy
On May 3, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Dan Mashal wrote: > > I believe that this is a major security risk and that this is a new UI > change going forward and this is not a bug. > > Do you think this is a good idea? No. I think it's a bug, and a bug should be filed on it. Chris Murphy -- devel mailing

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Dan Mashal
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On May 3, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Dan Mashal wrote: >> >> I believe that this is a major security risk and that this is a new UI >> change going forward and this is not a bug. >> >> Do you think this is a good idea? > > No. I think it's a bug, and

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 3 May 2013 15:26, Dan Mashal wrote: > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Chris Murphy > wrote: > > > > On May 3, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Dan Mashal wrote: > >> > >> I believe that this is a major security risk and that this is a new UI > >> change going forward and this is not a bug. > >> > >> Do you

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Chris Murphy
On May 3, 2013, at 3:26 PM, Dan Mashal wrote: > > So I just wanted to email other intelligent people and see if I was > crazy or stupid. Seems specious to me. I haven't seen an implementation like this. It's sorta like flipping off your parents to their faces, then 2 seconds later covering yo

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Fri, 2013-05-03 at 14:26 -0700, Dan Mashal wrote: > So I just wanted to email other intelligent people and see if I was > crazy or stupid. > > Dan I don't ever want my password visible onscreen when I am typing it. I'm not worried about people staring at my keyboard when I'm typing my password;

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Oron Peled
On Friday 03 May 2013 14:26:22 Dan Mashal wrote: > ... > And closed as NOTABUG. > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=959541 > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=958608 I've read through it and didn't know if I should lough or cry. Before referring the subject matter: Are secu

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/03/2013 05:26 PM, Dan Mashal wrote: And closed as NOTABUG. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=959541 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=958608 So I just wanted to email other intelligent people and see if I was crazy or stupid. I have reopened this. Clearly, this is a

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Björn Persson
Dan Mashal wrote: > In the latest Fedora 19 Beta TC2 install after I got through the > initial steps of the install I started to setup my root password. > > To my surprise my password was shown in plain text instead of bullets. > > I believe that this is a major security risk and that this is a n

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 3 May 2013, at 15:07, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Mike Pinkerton said: Does anaconda check package signatures for the netinstall? I believe so. Checksums are definately checked (RPM won't install a corrupt package). Are you sure that signatures are checked? If so, why this

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
I usually install either from the default desktop Live media or the network install, depending on what I'm doing. The advantages to the net install are 1. The image fits on damn near anything. I think it's too big for one of those 220 MB mini-CDs now but a 512 MB USB stick or a regular CD is fine.

Re: Q: webfonts:

2013-05-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-05-03 at 10:15 -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > > "NM" == Nicolas Mailhot writes: > > NM> I don't think selinux will block web server accesses to > NM> /usr/share/fonts/something, since we deploy webapps in > NM> /usr/share/something_else, which is pretty much the same namesp

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 07:42:12PM -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 05/03/2013 05:26 PM, Dan Mashal wrote: > >And closed as NOTABUG. > >https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=959541 > >https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=958608 So I just > >wanted to email other intelligent people and

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/03/2013 10:31 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: It's unprecedented for maintainers to make UI decisions about the software they develop and maintain? Is that a rhetorical question? I was referring to the decision to show the password in full when the user is typing it. Rahul -- devel mailing l

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 10:36:51PM -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 05/03/2013 10:31 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > >It's unprecedented for maintainers to make UI decisions about the > >software they develop and maintain? > Is that a rhetorical question? I was referring to the decision to > show th

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/03/2013 10:59 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: Many UI decisions are unprecedented. That doesn't justify reopening bugs that the maintainer has closed. If you want to have a discussion about whether or not this is a reasonable UI decision, do so somewhere other than Bugzilla This isn't a minor

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 23:11:56 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 05/03/2013 10:59 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: Many UI decisions are unprecedented. That doesn't justify reopening bugs that the maintainer has closed. If you want to have a discussion about whether or not this is a reasonable UI

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/03/2013 11:22 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: It's not like the people entering the password don't know it is visible. On the contrary, it is entirely unexpected that the UI will not hide it. Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/li

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 23:26:51 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 05/03/2013 11:22 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: It's not like the people entering the password don't know it is visible. On the contrary, it is entirely unexpected that the UI will not hide it. Are you refering to someone ther

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
I didn't notice this the last time I did an install. But yes, it's a *problem* if it does that. I'll upvote or whatever if someone re-opens; I do so many installs in coffee shops that I would flat out not use a distro that did this! On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:28 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Fr

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/03/2013 11:28 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: Are you refering to someone ther than the person who is looking at the screen while typing in their password? Surely the person doing that will know it is visible and not enter it while someone is obviously looking at their screen. It may not be

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Dan Mashal
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:40 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > I didn't notice this the last time I did an install. But yes, it's a > *problem* if it does that. I'll upvote or whatever if someone re-opens; I do > so many installs in coffee shops that I would flat out not use a distro that > did t

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Felix Miata
On 2013-05-03 14:26 (GMT-0700) Dan Mashal composed: Chris Murphy wrote: Dan Mashal wrote: I believe that this is a major security risk and that this is a new UI change going forward and this is not a bug. Do you think this is a good idea? No. I think it's a bug, and a bug should be f

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Dan Mashal
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:48 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > Yet another case of trying to "fix" what isn't broken. > > Are any of the several who closed the bug more than 20 years old? > > Crazy is the unexpected behavior of echoing back typed password characters. > Where else, if anywhere, is this happe

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