Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Mike Pinkerton said: > On 3 May 2013, at 15:07, Chris Adams wrote: > >Once upon a time, Mike Pinkerton said: > >>Does anaconda check package signatures for the netinstall? > > > >I believe so. Checksums are definately checked (RPM won't install a > >corrupt package). > > Are y

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Dan Mashal
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III said: >> It's not like the people entering the password don't know it is visible. > > Actually, yes it is. The vast majority of other software that accepts > passwords for any reason hides the passwords as th

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III said: > It's not like the people entering the password don't know it is visible. Actually, yes it is. The vast majority of other software that accepts passwords for any reason hides the passwords as they are typed, so the general expectation is that passwords a

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 05/03/2013 03:08 PM, Reartes Guillermo wrote: I think that the previous behaviour was better. (covering the password with bullets). At least the phones only show one character at a time, not the whole password. GTK shows everything or nothing with visibility being a boolean setting. GTK

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Dan Mashal
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 9:53 PM, Pete Zaitcev wrote: > This is a perfectly appropriate forum where their authority for > making this decision is to be discussed before it's revoked if > necessary. Hi Pete. Thanks for your very helpful reply. You mentioned something VERY important, so now I have a

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 5/3/13 11:30 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 11:24:01PM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote: >> On 5/3/13 10:58 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: >>> No, this isn't the most appropriate mailing list for the discussion - >>> anaconda-devel-list is a better choice if you want to interact with

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Pete Travis
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 9:40 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > I didn't notice this the last time I did an install. But yes, it's a > *problem* if it does that. I'll upvote or whatever if someone re-opens; I > do so many installs in coffee shops that I would flat out not use a distro > that did t

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Pete Zaitcev
On Sat, 4 May 2013 05:32:18 +0100 Matthew Garrett wrote: > > I strongly disagree. The policy implication of this violation of > > tradition and expectation goes beyond Anaconda. > > If you want to change a decision, it helps if you're discussing it in a > forum that's read by the people who mad

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 12:35 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > > Bugzilla's a dreadful place to have discussions. The lack of threading > means unpopular decisions tend to just result in large numbers of > contentless comments which make meaningful discussion impossible - it's > a nightmare to f

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Dan Mashal
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > If you want to change a decision, it helps if you're discussing it in a > forum that's read by the people who made that decision. Anaconda developers don't read the developer list? That's terrible! On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Matthew

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Sat, May 04, 2013 at 12:07:30AM -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 12:01 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > I'm saying that if a bug report has been closed due to the change being > > a deliberate design decision, reopening the bug isn't going to change > > the fact that it was a

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Sat, May 04, 2013 at 12:11:21AM -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2013-05-04 04:58 (GMT+0100) Matthew Garrett composed: > > >this isn't the most appropriate mailing list for the discussion - > >anaconda-devel-list is a better choice if you want to interact with the > >people who actually work on t

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/04/2013 12:24 AM, Eric Sandeen wrote: On the other hand, if it's the right thing to do, then it needs to be done for GUI password change dialogs and the passwd command should be updated as well, for consistency, no? On a related note, Anaconda, GNOME, KDE etc seems to be relying on dif

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 11:24:01PM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote: > On 5/3/13 10:58 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > No, this isn't the most appropriate mailing list for the discussion - > > anaconda-devel-list is a better choice if you want to interact with the > > people who actually work on that cod

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 5/3/13 10:58 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 08:52:25PM -0700, Dan Mashal wrote: >> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: >>> And if the maintainers feel more than justified in closing it again? >>> Bugzilla isn't a discussion forum. If disagree with a deli

[Test-Announce] Fedora 19 Beta Test Compose 3 (TC3) Available Now!

2013-05-03 Thread Andre Robatino
NOTE: All DVD and Live images except KDE Live and SoaS Live are still oversize (as they have been since 19 Alpha TC3). As per the Fedora 19 schedule [1], Fedora 19 Beta Test Compose 3 (TC3) is now available for testing. Content information, including changes, can be found at https://fedorahosted.o

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Felix Miata
On 2013-05-04 04:58 (GMT+0100) Matthew Garrett composed: this isn't the most appropriate mailing list for the discussion - anaconda-devel-list is a better choice if you want to interact with the people who actually work on that code. I strongly disagree. The policy implication of this violatio

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Saturday, May 04, 2013 11:28 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 23:26:51 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 05/03/2013 11:22 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: It's not like the people entering the password don't know it is visible. On the contrary, it is entirely unexpected that

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 12:01 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > I'm saying that if a bug report has been closed due to the change being > a deliberate design decision, reopening the bug isn't going to change > the fact that it was a deliberate design decision. > I understand your perspective ju

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Dan Mashal
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > Seriously. Learn to trim or I'm never reading email from you again. Is this better? Quite frankly I could care less whether you read my email or not. Dan -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 08:59:11PM -0700, Dan Mashal wrote: > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > No, this isn't the most appropriate mailing list for the discussion > > anaconda-devel-list is a better choice if you want to interact with the > > people who actually work on

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Dan Mashal
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 11:55:24PM -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> On 05/03/2013 11:51 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> >And if the maintainers feel more than justified in closing it again? >> Hopefully, they will reconsider their decision befo

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 11:55:24PM -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 05/03/2013 11:51 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > >And if the maintainers feel more than justified in closing it again? > Hopefully, they will reconsider their decision before doing that. > You seem to be claiming that once the mainta

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Dan Mashal
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 08:52:25PM -0700, Dan Mashal wrote: >> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> > And if the maintainers feel more than justified in closing it again? >> > Bugzilla isn't a discussion forum. If disag

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 08:52:25PM -0700, Dan Mashal wrote: > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > And if the maintainers feel more than justified in closing it again? > > Bugzilla isn't a discussion forum. If disagree with a deliberate policy > > decision, discuss it on an a

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/03/2013 11:51 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: And if the maintainers feel more than justified in closing it again? Hopefully, they will reconsider their decision before doing that. You seem to be claiming that once the maintainer has a bug report as a deliberate UI change, it should never be r

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Dan Mashal
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 11:11:56PM -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> On 05/03/2013 10:59 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> >Many UI decisions are unprecedented. That doesn't justify >> >reopening bugs that the maintainer has closed. If you want to

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 11:11:56PM -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 05/03/2013 10:59 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > >Many UI decisions are unprecedented. That doesn't justify > >reopening bugs that the maintainer has closed. If you want to have > >a discussion about whether or not this is a reasonab

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Dan Mashal
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:48 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > Yet another case of trying to "fix" what isn't broken. > > Are any of the several who closed the bug more than 20 years old? > > Crazy is the unexpected behavior of echoing back typed password characters. > Where else, if anywhere, is this happe

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Felix Miata
On 2013-05-03 14:26 (GMT-0700) Dan Mashal composed: Chris Murphy wrote: Dan Mashal wrote: I believe that this is a major security risk and that this is a new UI change going forward and this is not a bug. Do you think this is a good idea? No. I think it's a bug, and a bug should be f

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Dan Mashal
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:40 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > I didn't notice this the last time I did an install. But yes, it's a > *problem* if it does that. I'll upvote or whatever if someone re-opens; I do > so many installs in coffee shops that I would flat out not use a distro that > did t

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/03/2013 11:28 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: Are you refering to someone ther than the person who is looking at the screen while typing in their password? Surely the person doing that will know it is visible and not enter it while someone is obviously looking at their screen. It may not be

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
I didn't notice this the last time I did an install. But yes, it's a *problem* if it does that. I'll upvote or whatever if someone re-opens; I do so many installs in coffee shops that I would flat out not use a distro that did this! On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:28 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Fr

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 23:26:51 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 05/03/2013 11:22 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: It's not like the people entering the password don't know it is visible. On the contrary, it is entirely unexpected that the UI will not hide it. Are you refering to someone ther

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/03/2013 11:22 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: It's not like the people entering the password don't know it is visible. On the contrary, it is entirely unexpected that the UI will not hide it. Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/li

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 23:11:56 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 05/03/2013 10:59 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: Many UI decisions are unprecedented. That doesn't justify reopening bugs that the maintainer has closed. If you want to have a discussion about whether or not this is a reasonable UI

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/03/2013 10:59 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: Many UI decisions are unprecedented. That doesn't justify reopening bugs that the maintainer has closed. If you want to have a discussion about whether or not this is a reasonable UI decision, do so somewhere other than Bugzilla This isn't a minor

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 10:36:51PM -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 05/03/2013 10:31 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > >It's unprecedented for maintainers to make UI decisions about the > >software they develop and maintain? > Is that a rhetorical question? I was referring to the decision to > show th

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/03/2013 10:31 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: It's unprecedented for maintainers to make UI decisions about the software they develop and maintain? Is that a rhetorical question? I was referring to the decision to show the password in full when the user is typing it. Rahul -- devel mailing l

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 07:42:12PM -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 05/03/2013 05:26 PM, Dan Mashal wrote: > >And closed as NOTABUG. > >https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=959541 > >https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=958608 So I just > >wanted to email other intelligent people and

Re: Q: webfonts:

2013-05-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-05-03 at 10:15 -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > > "NM" == Nicolas Mailhot writes: > > NM> I don't think selinux will block web server accesses to > NM> /usr/share/fonts/something, since we deploy webapps in > NM> /usr/share/something_else, which is pretty much the same namesp

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
I usually install either from the default desktop Live media or the network install, depending on what I'm doing. The advantages to the net install are 1. The image fits on damn near anything. I think it's too big for one of those 220 MB mini-CDs now but a 512 MB USB stick or a regular CD is fine.

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 3 May 2013, at 15:07, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Mike Pinkerton said: Does anaconda check package signatures for the netinstall? I believe so. Checksums are definately checked (RPM won't install a corrupt package). Are you sure that signatures are checked? If so, why this

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Björn Persson
Dan Mashal wrote: > In the latest Fedora 19 Beta TC2 install after I got through the > initial steps of the install I started to setup my root password. > > To my surprise my password was shown in plain text instead of bullets. > > I believe that this is a major security risk and that this is a n

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/03/2013 05:26 PM, Dan Mashal wrote: And closed as NOTABUG. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=959541 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=958608 So I just wanted to email other intelligent people and see if I was crazy or stupid. I have reopened this. Clearly, this is a

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Oron Peled
On Friday 03 May 2013 14:26:22 Dan Mashal wrote: > ... > And closed as NOTABUG. > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=959541 > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=958608 I've read through it and didn't know if I should lough or cry. Before referring the subject matter: Are secu

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Fri, 2013-05-03 at 14:26 -0700, Dan Mashal wrote: > So I just wanted to email other intelligent people and see if I was > crazy or stupid. > > Dan I don't ever want my password visible onscreen when I am typing it. I'm not worried about people staring at my keyboard when I'm typing my password;

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Chris Murphy
On May 3, 2013, at 3:26 PM, Dan Mashal wrote: > > So I just wanted to email other intelligent people and see if I was > crazy or stupid. Seems specious to me. I haven't seen an implementation like this. It's sorta like flipping off your parents to their faces, then 2 seconds later covering yo

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 3 May 2013 15:26, Dan Mashal wrote: > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Chris Murphy > wrote: > > > > On May 3, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Dan Mashal wrote: > >> > >> I believe that this is a major security risk and that this is a new UI > >> change going forward and this is not a bug. > >> > >> Do you

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Dan Mashal
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On May 3, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Dan Mashal wrote: >> >> I believe that this is a major security risk and that this is a new UI >> change going forward and this is not a bug. >> >> Do you think this is a good idea? > > No. I think it's a bug, and

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Chris Murphy
On May 3, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Dan Mashal wrote: > > I believe that this is a major security risk and that this is a new UI > change going forward and this is not a bug. > > Do you think this is a good idea? No. I think it's a bug, and a bug should be filed on it. Chris Murphy -- devel mailing

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-05-03 at 16:22 -0400, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: > On 05/03/2013 09:45 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > > Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the > > netinstall and or ks and desktop users will use live spins? > > > > JBG > > I don't know if it is still th

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-05-03 at 08:54 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > Long-term (if we want to continue handling lots of packages on install > DVDs), what would be nice would be for anaconda to support multiple DVDs > for install _and_ allow them to be inserted for repo reading (so you > could have a "Desktop D

Pending soname bumps for m4ri, m4rie, and ntl

2013-05-03 Thread Jerry James
I would like to push updates for m4ri 20130416, m4rie 20130416, and ntl 6.0.0 to Rawhide. Each of those updates involves an soname bump. This will require rebuilds of the following packages: eclib flint latte-integrale linbox Macaulay2 polybori sagemath Singular I have built all of these in mock

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Reartes Guillermo
I think that the previous behaviour was better. (covering the password with bullets). At least the phones only show one character at a time, not the whole password. Cheers. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Dan Mashal wrote: > Hi, > > In the latest Fedora 19 Beta TC2 install after I got through

[Test-Announce] Planned Outage: System reboots - 2013-05-07 21:00 UTC

2013-05-03 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Outage: System reboots - 2013-05-07 21:00 UTC There will be an outage starting at 2013-05-07 21:00 UTC, which will last approximately 3 hours. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2013-05-07 21:00 UTC' R

Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Dan Mashal
Hi, In the latest Fedora 19 Beta TC2 install after I got through the initial steps of the install I started to setup my root password. To my surprise my password was shown in plain text instead of bullets. I believe that this is a major security risk and that this is a new UI change going forwar

Re: Adding open-vm-tools to core group

2013-05-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-05-03 at 11:59 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Ravindra Kumar (ravindraku...@vmware.com) said: > >> (Batching a bunch of replies) > >> > >> > Install and uninstall looks a bit weird to me; what could be > >> > done is to make t

[389-devel] please review: Ticket 580 - Wrong error code returned when using EXTERNAL SASL

2013-05-03 Thread Mark Reynolds
https://fedorahosted.org/389/ticket/580 https://fedorahosted.org/389/attachment/ticket/580/0001-Ticket-580-Wrong-error-code-return-when-using-EXTERN.patch -- Mark Reynolds Red Hat, Inc mreyno...@redhat.com -- 389-devel mailing list 389-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.o

Re: Q: webfonts:

2013-05-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Ven 3 mai 2013 21:06, Alec Leamas a écrit : > Still hesitating a here: if upstream has decided to support the widest > possible set of browsers (including IE): should we really just drop the > formats required by IE? From a user perspective, I don't really follow > this although I do underst

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Mike Pinkerton said: > Does anaconda check package signatures for the netinstall? I believe so. Checksums are definately checked (RPM won't install a corrupt package). > Does netinstall even work well? Certainly. I actually haven't installed Fedora (or RHEL/CentOS) any other

Re: Q: webfonts:

2013-05-03 Thread Alec Leamas
On 05/03/2013 03:51 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Lun 29 avril 2013 11:22, Alec Leamas a écrit : The reply makes me feel a little more confused, on a higher level. How does that reply translate to the packaging of a web application with some bundled webfonts ? "scratching my head". That means

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Dan Mashal
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Hm, I've always thought of it differently - if we're trying to provide good > value in the DVD media as a demonstration of all the things you can do with > Fedora It did. Until I couldn't install multiple desktops anymore. (18) >Isn't the

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/03/2013 02:16 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Hm, I've always thought of it differently - if we're trying to provide good value in the DVD media as a demonstration of all the things you can do with Fedora, isn't there more value in a development workstation, or a design suite, or a web applica

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: > - Original Message - > > FWIW I agree with the general trend of discussion so far: let's find > > things to drop that don't really need to be on the DVD so we can keep > > MATE and Cinnamon. You can install those from live images or from repos >

Re: Review swap

2013-05-03 Thread Dan Mashal
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Jon Ciesla wrote: > > > > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Dan Mashal wrote: >> >> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Jon Ciesla wrote: >> > I'd like to get trac10 (trac 1.0.1) into EL-6 sooner rather than later, >> > so >> > I'll take one of yours in return. Thanks

Re: Review swap

2013-05-03 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Dan Mashal wrote: > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Jon Ciesla wrote: > > I'd like to get trac10 (trac 1.0.1) into EL-6 sooner rather than later, > so > > I'll take one of yours in return. Thanks! > > > > -J > > > > -- > > http://cecinestpasunefromage.wordpress.c

Re: Review swap

2013-05-03 Thread Dan Mashal
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Jon Ciesla wrote: > I'd like to get trac10 (trac 1.0.1) into EL-6 sooner rather than later, so > I'll take one of yours in return. Thanks! > > -J > > -- > http://cecinestpasunefromage.wordpress.com/ > > in your fear,

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/03/2013 01:14 PM, Mike Pinkerton wrote: So, in the end, I had to do all the installations with a DVD, then do updates from our internal Fedora repo. I've been meaning to file a bug about this, but haven't found the time yet. You could try the latest dev release of Fedora 19 and see i

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Dan Mashal wrote: > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:45 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" > wrote: > > On 05/03/2013 01:40 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > >> > > Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the > netinstall > > and or ks and desktop users will us

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Dan Mashal
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:45 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 05/03/2013 01:40 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: >> > Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the netinstall > and or ks and desktop users will use live spins? > > JBG > I used to use the DVD at one point as a u

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 3 May 2013, at 09:45, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Why bother with the DVD et all and enter countless debates what should and should not be on it. Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the netinstall and or ks and desktop users will use live spins? When you do

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 05/03/2013 12:30 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 05/03/2013 04:22 PM, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: On 05/03/2013 09:45 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the netinstall and or ks and desktop users will use live spins? JBG I don't know

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/03/2013 04:22 PM, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: On 05/03/2013 09:45 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the netinstall and or ks and desktop users will use live spins? JBG I don't know if it is still the case, but historically you c

Review swap

2013-05-03 Thread Jon Ciesla
I'd like to get trac10 (trac 1.0.1) into EL-6 sooner rather than later, so I'll take one of yours in return. Thanks! -J -- http://cecinestpasunefromage.wordpress.com/ in your fear, seek only peace in your fear, seek only love -d. bowie -- devel

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 05/03/2013 09:45 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the netinstall and or ks and desktop users will use live spins? JBG I don't know if it is still the case, but historically you could NOT specify a file system different from t

Re: Q: webfonts:

2013-05-03 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "NM" == Nicolas Mailhot writes: NM> I don't think selinux will block web server accesses to NM> /usr/share/fonts/something, since we deploy webapps in NM> /usr/share/something_else, which is pretty much the same namespace. Well, there are a whole lot of specific fcontext entries for conten

Re: GSOC Proposal

2013-05-03 Thread Sarup Banskota
Hi Mrigesh, I think you've sent the wrong link - this one is the application :) Thank you, Sarup Banskota On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Mrigesh Pokhrel wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSOC_2013/Student_Application_rag3nix > > -- > Thanks and Regards > Mrigesh Pokhrel > +91 9807585021

GSOC Proposal

2013-05-03 Thread Mrigesh Pokhrel
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSOC_2013/Student_Application_rag3nix -- Thanks and Regards Mrigesh Pokhrel +91 9807585021 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 05/03/2013 02:34 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 01:59:42PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 05/03/2013 01:54 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: While you can do all this with the netinstall ISO + a hosted install tree, this is not as convenient, because hosting or m

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Paul Wouters
On Fri, 3 May 2013, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: Surely if you are mass creating vm's you use ks + cobbler and or spacewalk to do that instead af ISO file. Both of those require you to deploy extra infrastructure, which isn't needed if using the ISO. Different approaches suit different people, an

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III said: > On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 09:12:09 -0500, > Chris Adams wrote: > >At this point, why is there a source RPM ISO? Does anybody actually use > >it to get source RPMs? > > I suspect it is mainly for GPL compliance. It has the packages at the > same state a

Re: Q: webfonts:

2013-05-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Ven 3 mai 2013 16:24, Jason L Tibbitts III a écrit : >> "NM" == Nicolas Mailhot writes: > > NM> I'm not convinced at all this needs changing, since mod_alias > NM> permits mapping of system paths anywhere you want in your URL space. > > But selinux probably doesn't, so the issue is slightl

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 09:12:09 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III said: I don't think that's the route we want to take. This was a pain to support in the CD era and it won't be that long before we won't feel limited by DVD size and produce larger images. (Note the

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 01:59:42PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 05/03/2013 01:54 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > >While you can do all this with the netinstall ISO + a hosted > >install tree, this is not as convenient, because hosting or > >mirroring a single DVD image is much easier

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.05.2013 15:45, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: > Why bother with the DVD et all and enter countless debates what should and > should not be on it. > > Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the > netinstall and or ks and desktop users will use live spins? because it

Re: Adding open-vm-tools to core group

2013-05-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.05.2013 13:30, schrieb Nicolas Mailhot: > Le Ven 3 mai 2013 01:46, Adam Williamson a écrit : > >> I don't really hate the 'let's just install it everywhere and make sure >> it doesn't run unless it's necessary' approach, but it is kinda lazy >> engineering, and it *does* waste space on tho

Re: Q: webfonts:

2013-05-03 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "NM" == Nicolas Mailhot writes: NM> I'm not convinced at all this needs changing, since mod_alias NM> permits mapping of system paths anywhere you want in your URL space. But selinux probably doesn't, so the issue is slightly more complicated. - J< -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedo

Re: Q: webfonts:

2013-05-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Ven 3 mai 2013 14:45, Miroslav Suchý a écrit : >> Note that in my case the "fonts" are just just images and icons, which >> makes the normal font fallback mechanisms useless. They are needed, >> period. > > Well it is not defined in policy. Actually, the current policy forbids fonts anywhere

Re: Q: bundled fonts.

2013-05-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 23 avril 2013 19:10, Toshio Kuratomi a écrit : >> There will probably be more of this, fedora-review is updated with a >> new test looking for bundled font files.My gut feeling is also that >> there are some other bundled fonts in existing packages... There are many packaging font tests

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III said: > I don't think that's the route we want to take. This was a pain to support > in the CD era and it won't be that long before we won't feel limited by > DVD size and produce larger images. (Note the source rpm image is larger > than a DVD already.) At th

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 08:54:37 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: Long-term (if we want to continue handling lots of packages on install DVDs), what would be nice would be for anaconda to support multiple DVDs for install _and_ allow them to be inserted for repo reading (so you could have a "Desktop

Re: GSoC'13 Proposal

2013-05-03 Thread ajay kulkarni
Hi, Oh, I've rectified my mistake. And now my fedora proposal is available in GSoC student application page of fedora wiki. Here is the link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSOC_2013/Student_Application_ajaykulkarni On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Tiago Lam wrote: > On 05/03/2013 08

Re: Self introduction, and maintaining MySQL package

2013-05-03 Thread James Hogarth
> > Please log this in the package review. Let's proceed with the rest of the > review and look at renaming as a separate issue later. > > > The current maintainers of community-mysql stated that their preference was to wait for F20 for community-msql 5.6 a couple of weeks back given that we are

Re: Q: bundled fonts.

2013-05-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 23 avril 2013 17:55, Alec Leamas a écrit : > So one question would be what happens in such a definition if none of > the src: elements are found. The browser will try to display something with its system fonts. If the missing fonts used standard encoding, it may even work perfectly. Anywa

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 05/03/2013 01:54 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: While you can do all this with the netinstall ISO + a hosted install tree, this is not as convenient, because hosting or mirroring a single DVD image is much easier than mirroring an entire web install tree. Surely if you are mass creating vm's

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 01:45:51PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 05/03/2013 01:40 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > >- Original Message - > >>FWIW I agree with the general trend of discussion so far: let's find > >>things to drop that don't really need to be on the DVD so we can kee

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Jaroslav Reznik said: > But I tend to agree with trend - aim on users with DVDs, developers are > usually able to bring stuff for theirs development needs (and there are > much more options to select the right set than desktops). So count me > +1 to remove it. Development is suc

Re: Q: webfonts:

2013-05-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 29 avril 2013 11:22, Alec Leamas a écrit : > The reply makes me feel a little more confused, on a higher level. How > does that reply translate to the packaging of a web application with > some bundled webfonts ? "scratching my head". That means that you usually do not need a special form

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > On 05/03/2013 01:40 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > - Original Message - > >> FWIW I agree with the general trend of discussion so far: let's find > >> things to drop that don't really need to be on the DVD so we can keep > >> MATE and Cinnamon. You can install

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