Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2014-01-30 at 07:58 +, Frank Murphy wrote: If storage is the problem, cull all Fedora EOL 3+ year releases\rpms etc. We already do this - old releases are moved to https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/archive/ , where they're stored differently and not mirrored. We kinda ought to keep

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:58:22 -0500 Josh Boyer jwbo...@fedoraproject.org wrote: I consider myself squarely in the middle of those two camps. I think they have value to people. I think they fill a niche, however large or small it might be. I also think they can be done by the people wishing

Re: Nightly builds of DNF available

2014-01-30 Thread Ales Kozumplik
On 01/29/2014 05:05 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: Great news, thanks for doing this. Is there any more documentation on libcomps yet? i.e. is it stable enough to use now? There is at least: https://github.com/midnightercz/libcomps/wiki But ask Jindrich. Ales -- devel mailing list

Re: Nightly builds of DNF available

2014-01-30 Thread Stanislav Ochotnicky
Radek Holy rh...@redhat.com writes: I have just added the metadata creation. Good point, thank you. Another thing worth mentioning: The release tags of those rpms are incorrect. Instead of: dnf-0.4.12-1.git3584018.fc20 It should be: dnf-0.4.12-0.1.git3584018.fc20 That way when 0.4.12 is

Re: Nightly builds of DNF available

2014-01-30 Thread Mikolaj Izdebski
On 01/30/2014 10:38 AM, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote: Radek Holy rh...@redhat.com writes: I have just added the metadata creation. Good point, thank you. Another thing worth mentioning: The release tags of those rpms are incorrect. Instead of: dnf-0.4.12-1.git3584018.fc20 It should be:

Re: Source string contextualization

2014-01-30 Thread Nilamdyuti Goswami
- Original Message - From: Kévin Raymond shai...@fedoraproject.org To: ngosw...@redhat.com Cc: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org, For participants of the Documentation Project d...@lists.fedoraproject.org, trans tr...@lists.fedoraproject.org,

Another questionable dependency chain -- libreoffice-writer installs log4j-chainsaw

2014-01-30 Thread Richard Hughes
If I understand the dep-chain correctly: libreoffice-writer - libreoffice-core - jre - java-1.7.0-openjdk-headless - apache-commons-logging - log4j This means I get an ugly icon called Chainsaw in the GNOME Software center that when I try to remove also removes all the LibreOffice packages. If

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Christian Schaller
The difference here is that the resources for GNOME (or anything else Red Hat needs for future versions of RHEL) are provided by Red Hat. So if you want the spins to the logically the same in terms of resources we should start demanding that any spin set up needs to provide an annual monetary

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread piruthiviraj natarajan
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Christian Schaller cscha...@redhat.comwrote: The difference here is that the resources for GNOME (or anything else Red Hat needs for future versions of RHEL) are provided by Red Hat. So if you want the spins to the logically the same in terms of resources we

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Christian Schaller
- Original Message - From: piruthiviraj natarajan piruthivi...@gmail.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 11:45:51 AM Subject: Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at

[perl-Tree-DAG_Node] Update to 1.19

2014-01-30 Thread Paul Howarth
commit c082cb4e807c0de5bc941c1ffaca164b9e284740 Author: Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org Date: Thu Jan 30 10:51:05 2014 + Update to 1.19 - New upstream release 1.19 - Set pre-req File::Temp version # to 0 (back from 0.2301) - Note that the actual requirement is for

Re: Another questionable dependency chain -- libreoffice-writer installs log4j-chainsaw

2014-01-30 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 12:32:57 PM Subject: Another questionable dependency chain -- libreoffice-writer installs log4j-chainsaw If

Re: Another questionable dependency chain -- libreoffice-writer installs log4j-chainsaw

2014-01-30 Thread Richard Hughes
On 30 January 2014 11:17, Aleksandar Kurtakov akurt...@redhat.com wrote: Clarification the actual chain is java-headless-rhino-jline-jansi-hawtjni-xbean-avalon-framework-log4j Ahh, thanks for working that one out. Java isn't my area of expertise. It's time to prune such things out of

Re: Another questionable dependency chain -- libreoffice-writer installs log4j-chainsaw

2014-01-30 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:28:12 PM Subject: Re: Another questionable dependency chain -- libreoffice-writer installs

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Josh Boyer
On Jan 29, 2014 11:24 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2014-01-29 at 18:17 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: 1) Disk space. Disks are not cheap in the world of data-access ready disks. The 4 TB SATAs sound nice but when you try serving FTP off them you find that

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Josh Boyer
On Jan 29, 2014 11:13 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2014-01-29 at 16:33 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: I'd rather not confuse what is made from Fedora bits with what is based on Fedora bits but includes other bits. The remix branding does not seem appropriate for

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Richard Hughes
On 30 January 2014 11:29, piruthiviraj natarajan piruthivi...@gmail.com wrote: ...doesn't bode well for the packages that is not of interest to red hat. I think you're misinterpreting the words of Christian. Red Hat (also my employer, but speaking for myself here) can't and shouldn't be pay to

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Josh Boyer
On Jan 30, 2014 3:06 AM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:58:22 -0500 Josh Boyer jwbo...@fedoraproject.org wrote: I consider myself squarely in the middle of those two camps. I think they have value to people. I think they fill a niche, however large or

[Bug 1059623] perl-autodie-2.23 is available

2014-01-30 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1059623 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|CLOSED Fixed In

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread piruthiviraj natarajan
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: I think you're misinterpreting the words of Christian. Red Hat (also my employer, but speaking for myself here) can't and shouldn't be pay to fix and QA spins like LXDE or MATE. If keeping a MATE spin makes it harder

Unresponsive maintainer: Steven Pritchard (steve)

2014-01-30 Thread Juan Orti Alcaine
I'm trying to get the bug #695589 from the package amavisd-new fixed. I got an email from Steven in 2013-11-04 saying he was very busy and didn't have his FAS login at hand, but I haven't got any news since that. The bug dates from 2011-04-12, and several attempts have been made to contact

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Christian Schaller
My statements was directly targeted at the often repeated attitude on this list which seems to be that Red Hat should shut up and pay for whatever the given poster think should be payed for without having any expectations or requirements of the Fedora community in return. The relationship

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Apologies for the slightly alarmist $SUBJECT, but I want to make sure that this gets read by the appropriate groups. During today's FESCo meeting, there was the start of a discussion on how to approve new Products

Re: Another questionable dependency chain -- libreoffice-writer installs log4j-chainsaw

2014-01-30 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:28:12 PM Subject: Re: Another questionable dependency chain -- libreoffice-writer installs

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - My statements was directly targeted at the often repeated attitude on this list which seems to be that Red Hat should shut up and pay for whatever the given poster think should be payed for without having any expectations or requirements of the Fedora community

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Lukáš Tinkl
Dne 30.1.2014 13:08, Christian Schaller napsal(a): My statements was directly targeted at the often repeated attitude on this list which seems to be that Red Hat should shut up and pay for whatever the given poster think should be payed for without having any expectations or requirements of

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread piruthiviraj natarajan
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: And we call these spins now. , but I do also see that there are legal and administrative reasons for why that could be a bad idea, but I am sure that with some discussion and investigation there are solutions

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/30/2014 12:08 PM, Christian Schaller wrote: My statements was directly targeted at the often repeated attitude on this list which seems to be that Red Hat should shut up and pay for whatever the given poster think should be payed for without having any expectations or requirements of

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: And we call these spins now. , but I do also see that there are legal and administrative reasons for why that could be a bad idea, but I am sure that with some discussion

File Test-Able-Runner-1.002.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

2014-01-30 Thread Petr Pisar
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Test-Able-Runner: 6e64788c48a462e3a14fc8c239b435d3 Test-Able-Runner-1.002.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

orphan zygrib

2014-01-30 Thread Pavel Zhukov
Hi all, I don't use zygrib anymore. New owner is welcomed! -- Pavel -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: Another questionable dependency chain -- libreoffice-writer installs log4j-chainsaw

2014-01-30 Thread Stanislav Ochotnicky
Aleksandar Kurtakov akurt...@redhat.com writes: - Original Message - From: Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:28:12 PM Subject: Re: Another questionable dependency chain

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Christian Schaller
- Original Message - From: Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:25:10 PM Subject: Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins - Original Message -

Re: Another questionable dependency chain -- libreoffice-writer installs log4j-chainsaw

2014-01-30 Thread Mikolaj Izdebski
On 01/30/2014 12:28 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: On 30 January 2014 11:17, Aleksandar Kurtakov akurt...@redhat.com wrote: Clarification the actual chain is java-headless-rhino-jline-jansi-hawtjni-xbean-avalon-framework-log4j Ahh, thanks for working that one out. Java isn't my area of

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Christian Schaller
- Original Message - From: Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:34:45 PM Subject: Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins - Original Message - My

Re: Another questionable dependency chain -- libreoffice-writer installs log4j-chainsaw

2014-01-30 Thread Richard Hughes
On 30 January 2014 12:48, Mikolaj Izdebski mizde...@redhat.com wrote: Some dependencies may be required only in some contexts, for example only for testing, or only when using that package to compile other packages. I think not-installed-by-default subpackages are the solution here. Richard

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Christian Schaller
I can do better, I can provide you with one of these people to look at. If you send me your postal address I will send you a mirror :) Christian - Original Message - From: Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/30/2014 12:57 PM, Christian Schaller wrote: I can do better, I can provide you with one of these people to look at. If you send me your postal address I will send you a mirror:) Oh a funny man after this insult put up and point me to those post or shut up. JBG -- devel mailing list

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - - Original Message - From: Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:25:10 PM Subject: Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins -

Re: Another questionable dependency chain -- libreoffice-writer installs log4j-chainsaw

2014-01-30 Thread Mikolaj Izdebski
On 01/30/2014 01:56 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: On 30 January 2014 12:48, Mikolaj Izdebski mizde...@redhat.com wrote: Some dependencies may be required only in some contexts, for example only for testing, or only when using that package to compile other packages. I think

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 07:08:16AM -0500, Christian Schaller wrote: The relationship between Red Hat and Fedora is very different from that of for instance Debian and Ubuntu, with Red Hat being a lot more directly involved in both contributing to Fedora and paying for the general upkeep of

Re: a questionable dependency chain

2014-01-30 Thread Cole Robinson
On 01/29/2014 09:32 AM, Christophe Fergeau wrote: Hey, On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 09:21:22AM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: I've switched to rawhide yesterday, and discovered that vinagre now forces rsyslog onto my system. That's not great. The dependency chain goes something like this:

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 14:15:56 +0100 Tomasz Torcz to...@pipebreaker.pl wrote: Personally I always felt that this symbiotic relationship was a big part of what made Fedora interesting. Yes, but please don't paint Red Hat bussiness goals as Fedora community goals. There is some

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Johannes Lips
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 14:15:56 +0100 Tomasz Torcz to...@pipebreaker.pl wrote: Personally I always felt that this symbiotic relationship was a big part of what made Fedora interesting. Yes, but please don't

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 14:59:44 +0100 Johannes Lips johannes.l...@gmail.com wrote: Well, but it's not only about money and a lot of contributors use their spare time to contribute, so I wouldn't stress this money thing too much. I didn't introduce the money angle, just putting into Common

Re: a questionable dependency chain

2014-01-30 Thread Christophe Fergeau
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 08:30:36AM -0500, Cole Robinson wrote: Thanks Christophe! Can you (or elmarco, or alevy), forward that to qemu-devel? Done: https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2014-01/msg04164.html Christophe pgpxg64rTLNtX.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/30/2014 02:02 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 14:59:44 +0100 Johannes Lips johannes.l...@gmail.com wrote: Well, but it's not only about money and a lot of contributors use their spare time to contribute, so I wouldn't stress this money thing too much. I didn't introduce

Re: orphan zygrib

2014-01-30 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 12:44:20 +, Pavel Zhukov wrote: Hi all, I don't use zygrib anymore. New owner is welcomed! According to the activity in koji, there has been an active owner for a longer time already. Apparently, it's named zyGrib and an example where the mixed case causes

Re: orphan zygrib

2014-01-30 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 15:46:37 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 12:44:20 +, Pavel Zhukov wrote: Hi all, I don't use zygrib anymore. New owner is welcomed! According to the activity in koji, there has been an active owner for a longer time already. Oh, I'm

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Robert Mayr
2014-01-30 Johannes Lips johannes.l...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 14:15:56 +0100 Tomasz Torcz to...@pipebreaker.pl wrote: Personally I always felt that this symbiotic relationship was a big part of what

[perl-Event] Created tag perl-Event-1.21-2.el7

2014-01-30 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Event-1.21-2.el7' was created pointing to: 97369b3... - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_19_Mass -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Jiri Eischmann
Christian Schaller píše v Čt 30. 01. 2014 v 05:40 -0500: The difference here is that the resources for GNOME (or anything else Red Hat needs for future versions of RHEL) are provided by Red Hat. So if you want the spins to the logically the same in terms of resources we should start

[perl-Expect] Created tag perl-Expect-1.21-14.el7

2014-01-30 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Expect-1.21-14.el7' was created pointing to: 1fdc683... - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_19_Mass -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Exporter-Declare/epel7] (2 commits) ...0.113 bump

2014-01-30 Thread Paul Howarth
Summary of changes: ad5e605... 0.112 bump (*) 9ddc3a6... 0.113 bump (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 04:09:11PM +0100, Robert Mayr wrote: 2014-01-30 Johannes Lips johannes.l...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 14:15:56 +0100 Tomasz Torcz to...@pipebreaker.pl wrote: Personally I

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread H . Guémar
I disagree about keeping spins around in the long term. Current spins: * hinders our communication (each spin is supposed to get proper coverage from marketing, ambassadors etc.), some users think that actually installing KDE requires reinstalling from the spin ! * prevents spins with a striving

Re: Planned Outage: Fedocal outage for update - 2014-01-30 10:30 UTC

2014-01-30 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 05:10:39PM +0100, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: Planned Outage: Fedocal outage for update - 2014-01-30 10:30 UTC There will be an outage starting at 2014-01-30 10:30 UTC, which will last approximately 1 hours, possibly less. To convert UTC to your local time, take a

Re: Source string contextualization

2014-01-30 Thread Dimitris Glezos
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 2:20 AM, Nilamdyuti Goswami ngosw...@redhat.comwrote: What seems to do the trick is http://support.transifex.com/customer/portal/articles/1188235-comments-on-source-strings one can comment a string (to all translators, but in the language he choose), and event report

[perl-Exporter-Declare] Created tag perl-Exporter-Declare-0.113-1.el7

2014-01-30 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Exporter-Declare-0.113-1.el7' was created pointing to: 9ddc3a6... 0.113 bump -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 02:22:59PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 01/30/2014 02:02 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 14:59:44 +0100 Johannes Lips johannes.l...@gmail.com wrote: Well, but it's not only about money and a lot of contributors use their spare time to

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread inode0
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com wrote: So let's not start by putting too much sacred value on the term Spin. Rather, let's think about what specific technical and community-building problems are caused by using Remixes, how to solve them, and then consider

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/29/2014 03:30 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: Apologies for the slightly alarmist $SUBJECT, but I want to make sure that this gets read by the appropriate groups. During today's FESCo meeting, there was the start of a discussion on how to

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: That being said, as we go forward as Fedora.NEXT, we start to see more clearly defined divisions between Products, Spins and Remixes. Since these discussions needed to happen, we (FESCo) felt it was best to try to move the

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Jiri Eischmann
Rahul Sundaram píše v Čt 30. 01. 2014 v 11:06 -0500: Hi On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: That being said, as we go forward as Fedora.NEXT, we start to see more clearly defined divisions between Products, Spins and Remixes.

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-30 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: The roles stuff? I have, though I'm not sure if I just failing to get it or something but I don't see anything there that looks especially useful to a server administrator. Other than pulling in a group of packages it's not

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-30 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.orgwrote: This doesn't mean I'm against doing Big Exciting New Things in general or Fedora.next in particular, but I do want to stand up for the value of just keeping your head down (hah, I know, Adam, practice what you

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 09:58:51AM -0600, inode0 wrote: On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com wrote: So let's not start by putting too much sacred value on the term Spin. Rather, let's think about what specific technical and community-building problems are

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 16:35:54 +0100 H. Guémar hgue...@fedoraproject.org wrote: but they won't get coverage from marketing and ambassadors Please don't include me in that, I will always talk about Fedora supplied Xfce to all who will listen. and supply said media to those that ask, if I can.

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2014-01-30 at 06:42 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: jwb has tried to characterize this as an 'opportunity' for spins, but I really don't think that washes. It's much more a case of us dumping a whole lot of extra work onto any who wants to maintain a spin: * Get a domain * Get a

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 01/30/2014 05:06 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: That being said, as we go forward as Fedora.NEXT, we start to see more clearly defined divisions between Products, Spins and Remixes. Since these discussions needed to

Fedora Community Conduct Reminder

2014-01-30 Thread Josh Boyer
The Board was recently notified of a serious violation of our Code of Conduct made on the development list last week. Physical threats of violence are an egregious offense and may result in further censure or disciplinary action. While we look into the matter further, we would like to remind

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Luya Tshimbalanga
On 30/01/14 03:45 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: The 'burden' they create on QA is precisely zero, as we explicitly do not block releases on spins other than desktop and KDE. I don't believe releng considers the spins much of a burden, either - it's more just that they don't like building and

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2014-01-30 at 06:45 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: QA does no testing of spins at all? If that's the case then I misunderstood. If QA does test, even if they don't block the release, it takes time and effort. No testing of spins is required on the part of QA. People who contribute to QA

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jiri Eischmann (eischm...@redhat.com) said: That being said, as we go forward as Fedora.NEXT, we start to see more clearly defined divisions between Products, Spins and Remixes. Since these discussions needed to happen, we (FESCo) felt it was

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2014-01-30 at 11:17 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-30 at 06:45 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: QA does no testing of spins at all? If that's the case then I misunderstood. If QA does test, even if they don't block the release, it takes time and effort. No testing of

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2014-01-30 at 14:53 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Jiri Eischmann (eischm...@redhat.com) said: That being said, as we go forward as Fedora.NEXT, we start to see more clearly defined divisions between Products, Spins and Remixes. Since

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 30.01.2014 15:22, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 01/30/2014 02:02 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 14:59:44 +0100 Johannes Lips johannes.l...@gmail.com wrote: Well, but it's not only about money and a lot of contributors use their spare time to contribute, so I wouldn't

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Richard Hughes
On 30 January 2014 20:19, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: fact is that Redhat Pet peeve of mine: Please call Red Hat by it's proper name, or people will start calling you Reindlharald. Richard. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-30 at 14:53 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Jiri Eischmann (eischm...@redhat.com) said: That being said, as we go forward as Fedora.NEXT, we start to see more clearly

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Dan Mashal
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 6:22 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/30/2014 02:02 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 14:59:44 +0100 Johannes Lips johannes.l...@gmail.com wrote: Well, but it's not only about money and a lot of contributors use their spare time to

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Dan Mashal
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: Blame me, I filed the original ticket. My concern was that we're (obviously) doing work in the Fedora.next space around: 1) the three products (workstation, server, cloud) 2) the base, which lives under them in some

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 30.01.2014 21:23, schrieb Richard Hughes: On 30 January 2014 20:19, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: fact is that Redhat Pet peeve of mine: Please call Red Hat by it's proper name, or people will start calling you Reindlharald besides that you know what i meant with my post

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/29/2014 07:10 PM, Ian Malone wrote: On 29 January 2014 23:58, Josh Boyer jwbo...@fedoraproject.org wrote: I consider myself squarely in the middle of those two camps. I think they have value to people. I think they fill a niche, however large or small it might be. I also think they

Re: guided/interactive/scripted tutorials

2014-01-30 Thread Richard Fearn
You may have used this kind of thing - it tells you 'click this next' and waits until you do. As you might expect, googling for anything along these lines without having a very precise set of keywords only returns pages of tutorials. Any suggestions what to look for or, even better, tools in

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@nist.gov wrote: On 01/29/2014 07:10 PM, Ian Malone wrote: On 29 January 2014 23:58, Josh Boyer jwbo...@fedoraproject.org wrote: I consider myself squarely in the middle of those two camps. I think they have value to

Re: Unresponsive maintainer: Steven Pritchard (steve)

2014-01-30 Thread Jon
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 6:00 AM, Juan Orti Alcaine j.orti.alca...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to get the bug #695589 from the package amavisd-new fixed. I got an email from Steven in 2013-11-04 saying he was very busy and didn't have his FAS login at hand, but I haven't got any news since

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Michael Scherer
Le jeudi 30 janvier 2014 à 12:28 -0800, Dan Mashal a écrit : In fact, why don't we take this to a vote instead of arguing about it on this list? Why don't make this a Fedora elections issue? for the same reasons as usual, ie practical ones, like voting mean deciding who vote, ie, only board,

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Les Howell
On Thu, 2014-01-30 at 07:47 -0500, Christian Schaller wrote: - Original Message - From: Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:25:10 PM Subject: Re: Fedora.NEXT

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 17:47:04 -0500 Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@nist.gov wrote: On one hand, I am impressed by many spins as an excellent technology demonstration. On the other hand, what should existing users of a base Fedora do if they find an useful spin with a superior

Re: Unresponsive maintainer: Steven Pritchard (steve)

2014-01-30 Thread Juan Orti Alcaine
2014-01-31 Jon jdisn...@gmail.com: In your case it's been years now waiting can you wait one more week to complete step five? Sure I can. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct:

Broken dependencies: w3c-markup-validator

2014-01-30 Thread buildsys
w3c-markup-validator has broken dependencies in the epel-7 tree: On x86_64: w3c-markup-validator-1.3-4.el7.noarch requires perl(Net::IP) w3c-markup-validator-1.3-4.el7.noarch requires perl(HTML::Template) w3c-markup-validator-1.3-4.el7.noarch requires

Broken dependencies: dspam

2014-01-30 Thread buildsys
dspam has broken dependencies in the epel-7 tree: On x86_64: dspam-3.10.2-9.el7.x86_64 requires perl(Mail::MboxParser) On ppc64: dspam-3.10.2-9.el7.ppc64 requires perl(Mail::MboxParser) On x86_64: dspam-web-3.10.2-9.el7.x86_64 requires perl(GD::Graph::lines3d)

[Bug 1059620] New: perl-App-Nopaste-0.96 is available

2014-01-30 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1059620 Bug ID: 1059620 Summary: perl-App-Nopaste-0.96 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-App-Nopaste Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged Assignee:

[Bug 1059621] New: perl-Archive-Extract-0.72 is available

2014-01-30 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1059621 Bug ID: 1059621 Summary: perl-Archive-Extract-0.72 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-Archive-Extract Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged Assignee:

[Bug 1059623] New: perl-autodie-2.23 is available

2014-01-30 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1059623 Bug ID: 1059623 Summary: perl-autodie-2.23 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-autodie Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged Assignee:

[Bug 1059625] New: perl-Config-IniFiles-2.83 is available

2014-01-30 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1059625 Bug ID: 1059625 Summary: perl-Config-IniFiles-2.83 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-Config-IniFiles Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged Assignee:

[Bug 1059627] New: perl-Email-Address-1.901 is available

2014-01-30 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1059627 Bug ID: 1059627 Summary: perl-Email-Address-1.901 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-Email-Address Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged Assignee:

[Bug 1059628] New: perl-Event-RPC-1.05 is available

2014-01-30 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1059628 Bug ID: 1059628 Summary: perl-Event-RPC-1.05 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-Event-RPC Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged Assignee:

[Bug 1059634] New: perl-Locale-Codes-3.29 is available

2014-01-30 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1059634 Bug ID: 1059634 Summary: perl-Locale-Codes-3.29 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-Locale-Codes Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged Assignee:

[Bug 1059636] New: perl-Math-NumSeq-68 is available

2014-01-30 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1059636 Bug ID: 1059636 Summary: perl-Math-NumSeq-68 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-Math-NumSeq Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged Assignee:

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