Re: Proposal to (formally/easily) allowing multiple versions of the same library installable

/*Ralf Corsepius */ wrote on Mon, 16 Feb 2015 17:17:32 +0100: On 02/16/2015 05:10 PM, Martyn Foster wrote: On 16 February 2015 at 15:12, Kevin Kofler mailto:kevin.kof...@chello.at>> wrote: Christopher Meng wrote: > Maintaining several version of the same library is not easy as you

Re: Minutes from Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2015-02-19)

Quoting Honza Horak (2015-02-19 19:48:59) > * Dockerfiles recommended tips (hhorak, 18:15:21) >* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Env_and_Stacks/Tasklist > (hhorak, 18:15:45) >* LINK: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Hhorak/Draft/task-dockerfile-rules > (hhorak, 18:

Broken already (was: Re: How to install Rawhide?)

> Also the -02-18 one for Rawhide x86_64 Live Workstation, which started > fine and managed to install, too. Haven't rebooted yet, though. It has been broken already by the first bunch of updates (62 or 63 pkgs). "Oh no! Something has gone wrong [Logout]" prior to GDM greeting screen coming up. --

Re: Proposal to (formally/easily) allowing multiple versions of the same library installable

On 02/16/2015 08:17 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 02/16/2015 05:10 PM, Martyn Foster wrote: >> >> >> On 16 February 2015 at 15:12, Kevin Kofler > > wrote: >> >> Christopher Meng wrote: >> > Maintaining several version of the same library is not easy as >> you

[Base] Base Design WG agenda meeting 20 February 2015 15:00 UTC on #fedora-meeting

Agenda: - Vote for new chairman of the Base Design WG to replace Phil Knirsch - Open Floor -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Gnome in F22 not automouting sdcards / usb-sticks

Hi All, I've upgraded both my main workstation as well as my laptop to F22, and I've noticed that my stock Gnome desktop no longer automounts sdcards / usbsticks. If I start "files" it sees the device show up just fine, and double clicking mounts it, but it no longer gets mounted automatically,

Re: Proposal to (formally/easily) allowing multiple versions of the same library installable

Hi On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > I don't buy this argument wrt. Fedora. > > Fedora is a rapid moving, forward looking distro, in which such > regressions should be fixed and not be worked around by compat-libs. In ideal conditions, this is fine but in the real world

Re: Gnome in F22 not automouting sdcards / usb-sticks

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Hans de Goede wrote: > Hi All, > > I've upgraded both my main workstation as well as my laptop to F22, > and I've noticed that my stock Gnome desktop no longer automounts > sdcards / usbsticks. > > If I start "files" it sees the device show up just fine, and > doub

systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

To prevent surprises on the next systemd updates like in , we will not apply workarounds anymore in rawhide and track the issues on so, that they are not forgotten. We removed t

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Harald Hoyer wrote: > To prevent surprises on the next systemd updates like in > , we will not apply > workarounds anymore in rawhide and track the issues on >

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, 20.02.15 16:03, Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote: > On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Harald Hoyer wrote: > > To prevent surprises on the next systemd updates like in > > , we will not apply > > workarounds anymore in rawhide

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Fri, 20.02.15 16:03, Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote: > >> On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Harald Hoyer wrote: >> > To prevent surprises on the next systemd updates like in >> >

Re: [Base] Base Design WG agenda meeting 20 February 2015 15:00 UTC on #fedora-meeting

On 20.02.2015 14:35, Harald Hoyer wrote: > Agenda: > - Vote for new chairman of the Base Design WG to replace Phil Knirsch > - Open Floor > Minutes: Minutes (text):

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, 20.02.15 16:24, Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote: > >> > Sorry for the inconvenience and feel free to add bugs to the tracker, > >> > which are > >> > caused by systemd changes and have to be fixed in other components. > >> > >> Are you going to start notifying deve@ of upcomin

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

Hi On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > How many months would you like me to notify people in advance of a > simple change like this? Isn't 6 month *ample* time? > > The problem isn't necessarily the speed of change but the amount of caution and attention paid to inform

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On 02/20/2015 05:11 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > Also, NM fixed a similar issue with /etc/resolve.conf in their code a > long time ago, to my knowledge. Am I so misguided to assume that > Anaconda can fix a fricking file copy too, in all those months? Maybe it is time to step back and consider

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

>> >> > Sorry for the inconvenience and feel free to add bugs to the tracker, >> >> > which are >> >> > caused by systemd changes and have to be fixed in other components. >> >> >> >> Are you going to start notifying deve@ of upcoming changes that may >> >> impact other areas of the distro too rat

File constant-defer-6.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-constant-defer: 6af9912fa420340e9e171ac81f450492 constant-defer-6.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/ma

Re: Proposal to (formally/easily) allowing multiple versions of the same library installable

On 02/16/2015 04:17 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > I don't buy this argument wrt. Fedora. > > Fedora is a rapid moving, forward looking distro, in which such > regressions should be fixed and not be worked around by compat-libs. That rather assumes that the only use for Fedora libraries is running

setup needed for building from src rpms ?

I'm not sure if this is the right list for the question, but... I now have the time and opportunity to migrate my main dev machine from Fedora 8 to something current, namely F21. But in the intervening years, there have been lots of changes to KDE, and most of the visual aspects don't suit my way

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, 2015-02-20 at 17:43 +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > On 02/20/2015 05:11 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > Also, NM fixed a similar issue with /etc/resolve.conf in their code a > > long time ago, to my knowledge. Am I so misguided to assume that > > Anaconda can fix a fricking file copy to

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:36:17 +0100 Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Fri, 20.02.15 16:24, Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote: > > > >> > Sorry for the inconvenience and feel free to add bugs to the > > >> > tracker, which are caused by systemd changes and have to be > > >> > fixed in other

Re: setup needed for building from src rpms ?

Am 20.02.2015 um 17:59 schrieb Fulko Hew: I'm not sure if this is the right list for the question, but... not really, at least the subject is on-topic I now have the time and opportunity to migrate my main dev machine from Fedora 8 to something current, namely F21. But in the intervening y

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 11:04:13 -0600 Dennis Gilmore wrote: > On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:36:17 +0100 > Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > On Fri, 20.02.15 16:24, Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote: > > > > > >> > Sorry for the inconvenience and feel free to add bugs to the > > > >> > tracker, w

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, 20.02.15 11:07, Dennis Gilmore (den...@ausil.us) wrote: > On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 11:04:13 -0600 > Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > > On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:36:17 +0100 > > Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 20.02.15 16:24, Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote: > > > > > > > >> >

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 04:52:20PM +, Peter Robinson wrote: > >> >> > Sorry for the inconvenience and feel free to add bugs to the tracker, > >> >> > which are > >> >> > caused by systemd changes and have to be fixed in other components. > >> >> > >> >> Are you going to start notifying deve@ o

[Bug 1194637] perl-constant-defer-6 is available

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Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, 20.02.15 11:04, Dennis Gilmore (den...@ausil.us) wrote: > On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:36:17 +0100 > Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > On Fri, 20.02.15 16:24, Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote: > > > > > >> > Sorry for the inconvenience and feel free to add bugs to the > > > >> > trac

Re: So everything in Rawhide must be compiled with -fPIC?

>> I've never argumented against the goal that web browser or all network aware >> services should be PIEs, after all, why would we (Ulrich Drepper and myself) >> add the PIE support into the toolchain otherwise? >> I'm just not convinced most of the unpriviledged programs should be PIEs. > > Thank

Re: So everything in Rawhide must be compiled with -fPIC?

Am 20.02.2015 um 18:21 schrieb Peter Robinson: I've never argumented against the goal that web browser or all network aware services should be PIEs, after all, why would we (Ulrich Drepper and myself) add the PIE support into the toolchain otherwise? I'm just not convinced most of the unprivile

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:11:38 +0100 Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Fri, 20.02.15 11:04, Dennis Gilmore (den...@ausil.us) wrote: > > > On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:36:17 +0100 > > Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 20.02.15 16:24, Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) > > > wrote: > > > > >

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:12:29 +0100 Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Fri, 20.02.15 11:07, Dennis Gilmore (den...@ausil.us) wrote: > > > On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 11:04:13 -0600 > > Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:36:17 +0100 > > > Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri,

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > communication would have avoided some of the discussion in > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1149568 Which btw, caused https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1192276 Could you review? I'm fixing this in OSTree too, ht

Re: So everything in Rawhide must be compiled with -fPIC?

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > Also I've seen no performance analysis across all three architectures > to see the impact. I'll happily send you an XO-1 to test on (our > lowest supported device on i686 and also one of our most widely > deployed Fedora device) and ARM har

Re: So everything in Rawhide must be compiled with -fPIC?

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 05:21:59PM +, Peter Robinson wrote: > >> I've never argumented against the goal that web browser or all network > >> aware > >> services should be PIEs, after all, why would we (Ulrich Drepper and > >> myself) > >> add the PIE support into the toolchain otherwise? > >>

Re: So everything in Rawhide must be compiled with -fPIC?

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 01:40:30PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > (XO-4). There's the whole Android angle now to, which frankly makes a > lot of sense for them. Even the latest OLPC OS development release is > based on Fedora 20 and is targeted at the XO-4 hardware. Android already uses ASLR, see e

Re: So everything in Rawhide must be compiled with -fPIC?

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: >> Also I've seen no performance analysis across all three architectures >> to see the impact. I'll happily send you an XO-1 to test on (our >> lowest supported device on i686 and also one

Re: So everything in Rawhide must be compiled with -fPIC?

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 6:55 PM, Till Maas wrote: > On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 05:21:59PM +, Peter Robinson wrote: >> >> I've never argumented against the goal that web browser or all network >> >> aware >> >> services should be PIEs, after all, why would we (Ulrich Drepper and >> >> myself) >>

Re: So everything in Rawhide must be compiled with -fPIC?

Am 20.02.2015 um 20:28 schrieb Peter Robinson: On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 6:55 PM, Till Maas wrote: So how much performance impact is acceptable? Well you've not documented any of the impact so how can we discuss that? We have no idea if the impact is going to be 0.1% 1% or 10% so how can the d

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 22 Branched 20150218 nightly compose nominated for testing

On 02/19/2015 07:38 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: On 02/18/2015 01:21 PM, adamw...@fedoraproject.org wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_22_Branched_20150218_Installation Text-mode installation does not work - noted in the matrix. The installation source spoke does no

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I wanted to give a heads-up to the wider audience about a number of workstation changes that are landing in the f22 branch (and rawhide) this week, in time for the alpha freeze next week: - The message tray at the bottom is gone, notifications are now shown at the top, and can be reviewed in th

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The check in the plplot package for the octave bindings are failing in rawhide. I point my finger at gcc :), but I have no idea what is going on so just putting this out there. plplot uses a swig generated interface for the octave wrapper. By the time the swig wrapper is calling the plplot C fun

Re: Changes in the f22 workstation

On Feb 20, 2015 2:09 PM, "Matthias Clasen" wrote: > > I wanted to give a heads-up to the wider audience about a number of > workstation changes that are landing in the f22 branch (and rawhide) > this week, in time for the alpha freeze next week: > > - The message tray at the bottom is gone, notifi

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 22 Branched 20150218 nightly compose nominated for testing

I downloaded the generic x86_64 boot iso from https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/mash/branched-20150218/22/x86_64/os/images/boot.iso which was linked to from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_22_Branched_20150218_Installation and went on to install it in a vm on a fedora 21 host. A

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 22 Branched 20150218 nightly compose nominated for testing

On Sat, 2015-02-21 at 02:35 +0200, Alexander Ploumistos wrote: > I downloaded the generic x86_64 boot iso from > https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/mash/branched-20150218/22/x86_64/os/images/boot.iso > which was linked to from > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_22_Branched_2015021

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 22 Branched 20150218 nightly compose nominated for testing

On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 3:13 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > Because https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1194494 . Oh, thanks. This is the second bug I've managed to miss in BZ this week, I think I need to catch up on my sleep. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://adm

[Test-Announce] Proposal to CANCEL: 2015-02-23 Fedora QA Meeting

Hi folks! I'm tentatively suggesting we cancel the QA meeting on Monday, but that's assuming we do a blocker review meeting. I think it'd be good to check in on the status of 22 Alpha in general, but we can do that within the blocker review meeting assuming we have one. I don't think we have an

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# F22 Blocker Review meeting # Date: 2015-02-23 # Time: 1700 UTC # Location: #fedora-blocker-review on irc.freenode.net It's that time of the week again! After another week of testing we have 4 proposed Alpha blockers and 2 proposed for final. If you want to take a look at the proposed or accepte

Re: Changes in the f22 workstation

On 20/02/15 21:09, Matthias Clasen wrote: > I wanted to give a heads-up to the wider audience about a number of > workstation changes that are landing in the f22 branch (and rawhide) > this week, in time for the alpha freeze next week: > > - The message tray at the bottom is gone, notifications

Self introduction: Taylor Braun-Jones

Hi everyone, I am going through the process of becoming a Fedora Package Collection maintainer and wanted to say hi and introduce myself. I've been a Linux user since 2000, extensively since about 2002. I currently work in software R&D for a medical device company and am a big proponent of using

Re: [Proposal] Ring-based Packaging Policies

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 01:32:04PM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > === Core Packages === > Any package that is provided on a release-blocking medium (which at > present includes Fedora Atomic, Fedora Cloud, Fedora Server, Fedora > Workstation, the KDE Spin and several ARM images) must comply exac

Re: Changes in the f22 workstation

Hi, On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 7:00 PM, Pete Travis wrote: > I'm nervous about GDM on Wayland; Wayland has never worked well on my > systems. Can you talk about fallback strategies a bit? Can GDM detect when > Wayland isn't working well enough to be usable, and cleanly fall back? It tries to. We

Re: Self introduction: Taylor Braun-Jones

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RE: nonresponsive maintainer - Axel Thimm

Also I can help in some packages. Access Asked fakechroot,fakeroot,freenx-server,greylistd,synaptic,fedora-package-config-apt,apt Mosaab > From: fdc-li...@fcami.net > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:24:04 +0100 > Subject: Re: nonresponsive maintainer - Axel Thimm > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >

Re: So everything in Rawhide must be compiled with -fPIC?

On 02/20/2015 07:55 PM, Till Maas wrote: than the technical change to implement it, there's no mention that it will have an impact on performance, with numbers to back it up, across the three primary architectures. So how much performance impact is acceptable? None - Seriously, people will b

RE: Orphaning and seeking comaintainers of some packages

Alot taked ... Mosaab > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 17:19:38 +0800 > Subject: Orphaning and seeking comaintainers of some packages > From: cicku...@gmail.com > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > > Hi, > > There are some packages I don't use anymore, feel free to take them: > > libntlm > python-du