Re: Non-responsive maintainer tchaikov

2019-12-17 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 18.12.2019 01:43, Brad Hubbard wrote: > I spoke to the maintainer. He said he'll take a look this weekend. His > workload is truly enormous and mind boggling so please be patient. Please ask him to add me as co-maintainer to fmt package. I can help him with packaging. My FAS username: xvitaly

Re: Non-responsive maintainer tchaikov

2019-12-17 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 17.12.2019 20:18, Ken Dreyer wrote: > Is there a particular Fedora bug that you need Kefu to address? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1747062 Package fmt need to be updated to version 6.x at least in Rawhide. Currently it locked 3 of my packages. If he has no free time, he can add

Orphaned python-trimesh

2019-12-17 Thread Miro Hrončok
I've orphaned python-trimesh. I couldn't keep up with the upstream release cadence and nothing seems to require it. Will gladly keep co-maintaining if somebody takes it. -- Miro Hrončok -- Phone: +420777974800 IRC: mhroncok ___ devel mailing list --

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Drop Optical Media Release Criterion

2019-12-17 Thread Solomon Peachy
On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 08:09:14PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > It's simply not the case that optical drives have been uncommon on > end-user systems for over 6 years. As we found earlier in this thread, > they're on 1/3rd of stock desktops from a standard consumer vendor, > and on most sys

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Drop Optical Media Release Criterion

2019-12-17 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Tuesday, December 17, 2019 7:51:38 PM MST Solomon Peachy wrote: > On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 07:33:12PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote: > > Again, you're projecting from an anecdote of one. My anecdote of one is > > that the vast majority of system in my company (around 400 employees > > IIRC) don't hav

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Drop Optical Media Release Criterion

2019-12-17 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Tuesday, December 17, 2019 6:33:12 PM MST Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, John M. Harris Jr said: > > > On Tuesday, December 17, 2019 10:02:42 AM MST Justin W. Flory wrote: > > > > > This might not affect people **using** Fedora for enterprise purposes > > > > > > Well, this definite

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Drop Optical Media Release Criterion

2019-12-17 Thread Solomon Peachy
On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 07:33:12PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote: > Again, you're projecting from an anecdote of one. My anecdote of one is > that the vast majority of system in my company (around 400 employees > IIRC) don't have an optical drive. I'm actually not sure if any of the > desktops have on

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Drop Optical Media Release Criterion

2019-12-17 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, John M. Harris Jr said: > On Tuesday, December 17, 2019 10:02:42 AM MST Justin W. Flory wrote: > > This might not affect people **using** Fedora for enterprise purposes > > Well, this definitely affects those using Fedora for enterprise purposes. > It's > incredible how much b

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Drop Optical Media Release Criterion

2019-12-17 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Tuesday, December 17, 2019 10:02:42 AM MST Justin W. Flory wrote: > This might not affect people **using** Fedora for enterprise purposes Well, this definitely affects those using Fedora for enterprise purposes. It's incredible how much businesses still rely on optical media for these things.

Re: Non-responsive maintainer tchaikov

2019-12-17 Thread Brad Hubbard
I spoke to the maintainer. He said he'll take a look this weekend. His workload is truly enormous and mind boggling so please be patient. On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 5:26 AM Robbie Harwood wrote: > > Ken Dreyer writes: > > > I work on a team at Red Hat with Kefu. He is very active with upstream > >

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Drop Optical Media Release Criterion

2019-12-17 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Tuesday, December 17, 2019 1:09:17 AM MST Frantisek Zatloukal wrote: > On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 2:31 AM Adam Williamson > wrote: > > Still, we have F32 Beta coming up quite > > soon, we could potentially delay this feature and see how that goes - > > see if anyone besides RH Fedora QE staff show

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Drop Optical Media Release Criterion

2019-12-17 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Tuesday, December 17, 2019 2:33:06 AM MST Kamil Paral wrote: > On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 12:23 AM John M. Harris Jr > > wrote: > > > We have 2 release-blocking media, so the total time is somewhere between > > > 2-3 hours (likely closer to 2 hours, because netinst installation is way > > > faste

Re: Bug filing/triage/ownership policy for modules

2019-12-17 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Tuesday, December 17, 2019 1:57:09 PM MST David Cantrell wrote: > With regard to the recent protobuf package issue and the eclipse module, I > started wondering how bugs work with packages bundled in modules. That is, > packages that exist outside modules (e.g., protobuf) that end up bundled >

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Stop shipping individual component libraries in clang-libs package

2019-12-17 Thread Dan Čermák
Tom Stellard writes: > On 12/12/2019 03:32 PM, Dan Čermák wrote: >> Ben Cotton writes: >> >> [snip] >>> >>> == Dependencies == >>> The following packages depend on clang-libs and will need to be updated: >>> >>> * bcc >>> * bpftrace >>> * castxml >>> * ccls >> >> ccls has already been fixed up

Re: Bug filing/triage/ownership policy for modules

2019-12-17 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 17. 12. 19 21:57, David Cantrell wrote: 1) Are modules allowed to bundle packages that are provided by and currently maintained in the base system?  Are there are restrictions to what a module can bundle (e.g., can a module bundle glibc)? I am not aware of any policy against modularizing exi

Fedora rawhide compose report: 20191217.n.0 changes

2019-12-17 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20191216.n.0 NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20191217.n.0 = SUMMARY = Added images:0 Dropped images: 1 Added packages: 10 Dropped packages:1 Upgraded packages: 79 Downgraded packages: 0 Size of added packages: 14.10 MiB Size of dropped packages

Fedora-Rawhide-20191217.n.0 compose check report

2019-12-17 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Compose PASSES proposed Rawhide gating check! All required tests passed Failed openQA tests: 6/165 (x86_64), 1/2 (arm) New failures (same test not failed in Fedora-Rawhide-20191216.n.0): ID: 499504 Test: x86_64 universal install_serial_console URL: https://openq

Bug filing/triage/ownership policy for modules

2019-12-17 Thread David Cantrell
With regard to the recent protobuf package issue and the eclipse module, I started wondering how bugs work with packages bundled in modules. That is, packages that exist outside modules (e.g., protobuf) that end up bundled with some module. NOTE: It is very easy for module posts to quickly ballo

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Drop Optical Media Release Criterion

2019-12-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2019-12-17 at 20:53 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > > To me it is, in a weird way: I tend to view the presence of someone > > who's willing to actually *do* something as a proxy for there being > > others who care about it. For instance on the 32-bit x86 topic - if the > > x86 SIG had *wo

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Drop Optical Media Release Criterion

2019-12-17 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/17/19 5:14 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2019-12-17 at 10:43 +0100, Kamil Paral wrote: On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 2:31 AM Adam Williamson wrote: On Mon, 2019-12-16 at 16:52 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: I've offered to take on responsibility for these tests in this thread, and I'm

[Test-Announce] Fedora 32 Rawhide 20191217.n.0 nightly compose nominated for testing

2019-12-17 Thread rawhide
Announcing the creation of a new nightly release validation test event for Fedora 32 Rawhide 20191217.n.0. Please help run some tests for this nightly compose if you have time. For more information on nightly release validation testing, see: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki

Re: Non-responsive maintainer tchaikov

2019-12-17 Thread Robbie Harwood
Ken Dreyer writes: > I work on a team at Red Hat with Kefu. He is very active with upstream > Ceph, though I have not watched his Fedora activity or lack thereof. > > Is there a particular Fedora bug that you need Kefu to address? This is probably about https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?i

Re: Non-responsive maintainer tchaikov

2019-12-17 Thread Richard Shaw
I only see one day of activity on src.fedoraproject.org... https://src.fedoraproject.org/user/tchaikov Thanks, Richard ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Cod

Re: Non-responsive maintainer tchaikov

2019-12-17 Thread Ken Dreyer
I work on a team at Red Hat with Kefu. He is very active with upstream Ceph, though I have not watched his Fedora activity or lack thereof. Is there a particular Fedora bug that you need Kefu to address? - Ken On Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 4:59 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: OCaml 4.09.0 rebuild complete in Rawhide (was: Re: OCaml 4.09.0 will be added to Fedora 32 via a side tag)

2019-12-17 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 11:39:52AM -0700, Jerry James wrote: > On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 4:24 AM Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > We're down to just two ocaml packages which failed to build. > > ocaml-tplib was already discussed. > > Do you have any idea what is going on with the ocaml-tplib build? It

Re: OCaml 4.09.0 rebuild complete in Rawhide (was: Re: OCaml 4.09.0 will be added to Fedora 32 via a side tag)

2019-12-17 Thread Jerry James
On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 4:24 AM Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > We're down to just two ocaml packages which failed to build. > ocaml-tplib was already discussed. Do you have any idea what is going on with the ocaml-tplib build? It is failing on ppc64le only. The failure happens when linking one of t

Re: List of long term FTBFS packages to be retired in February (release candidate)

2019-12-17 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 17. 12. 19 18:00, Miro Hrončok wrote: On 15. 12. 19 12:08, Miro Hrončok wrote: Dear maintainers. Based on the latest fail to build from source policy, the following packages will be retired from Fedora 32 approximately one week before branching (February 2020). Policy: https://docs.fedor

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Drop Optical Media Release Criterion

2019-12-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2019-12-17 at 16:25 +, Justin W. Flory wrote: > > > > Note, the testing isn't *hard* to do, really, it's just tedious and > > time consuming. Not just the act of running the test (though that does > > take quite a while, between the burning process and the boot, media > > check and ins

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Drop Optical Media Release Criterion

2019-12-17 Thread Justin W. Flory
> Kamil wrote: > > This has been a long discussion. Let me sum up some answers and > misunderstandings, as a member of the QA team. > Hey Kamil, I wanted to say thanks for adding this perspective. I missed this post in my last reply because there are a lot of posts. I learned a lot about Fedor

Re: List of long term FTBFS packages to be retired in February (release candidate)

2019-12-17 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 15. 12. 19 12:08, Miro Hrončok wrote: Dear maintainers. Based on the latest fail to build from source policy, the following packages will be retired from Fedora 32 approximately one week before branching (February 2020). Policy: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fesco/Fails_to_build_fr

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Drop Optical Media Release Criterion

2019-12-17 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 5:19 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2019-12-17 at 13:04 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Neal Gompa wrote: > > > You've been saying this a lot lately, and this isn't actually backed > > > up by reality. > > > > > > Debian *is* dropping Python 2 support. > > > > It was A

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Drop Optical Media Release Criterion

2019-12-17 Thread Justin W. Flory
> Miro Hrončok wrote: > > The devel list is the first place where developers gather feedback. The idea > to > reach a committee (whether FESCo or Mindshare) before reaching to devel is > hence > entirely wrong in my opinion. Committees should rubber stamp community > decisions, not drive them

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Drop Optical Media Release Criterion

2019-12-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2019-12-17 at 13:27 +0100, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 09:00:11AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Mon, 2019-12-16 at 10:49 +0100, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > > > Wishlist item: Can we just have cdn.fedoraproject.org download urls > > > please? > > > > If you mean 'a URL

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Drop Optical Media Release Criterion

2019-12-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2019-12-17 at 13:04 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Neal Gompa wrote: > > You've been saying this a lot lately, and this isn't actually backed > > up by reality. > > > > Debian *is* dropping Python 2 support. > > It was Adam Williamson who claimed that Debian would still support Python 2. >

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Drop Optical Media Release Criterion

2019-12-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2019-12-17 at 10:43 +0100, Kamil Paral wrote: > On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 2:31 AM Adam Williamson > wrote: > > > On Mon, 2019-12-16 at 16:52 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > I've offered to take on responsibility for these tests in this thread, > > and I'm > > > still open to that. Thi

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Drop Optical Media Release Criterion

2019-12-17 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 1:28 PM Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 09:00:11AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Mon, 2019-12-16 at 10:49 +0100, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > > > > > > Wishlist item: Can we just have cdn.fedoraproject.org download urls > > > please? > > > > If you mean 'a

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Drop Optical Media Release Criterion

2019-12-17 Thread Gerd Hoffmann
On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 09:00:11AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2019-12-16 at 10:49 +0100, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > > > > Wishlist item: Can we just have cdn.fedoraproject.org download urls > > please? > > If you mean 'a URL that redirects you to a mirror that carries the > file', that'

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Drop Optical Media Release Criterion

2019-12-17 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 1:13 PM Peter Pentchev wrote: > > Maintainers need to realize that there is lots of niche software out > there > > that is effectively unmaintained (and thus will never get ported to > Python 3 > > etc.), but that works, fulfills some task, and has no more recent > > alter

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Drop Optical Media Release Criterion

2019-12-17 Thread Peter Pentchev
On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 01:04:43PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Neal Gompa wrote: > > You've been saying this a lot lately, and this isn't actually backed > > up by reality. > > > > Debian *is* dropping Python 2 support. > > It was Adam Williamson who claimed that Debian would still support Pytho

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Drop Optical Media Release Criterion

2019-12-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Neal Gompa wrote: > You've been saying this a lot lately, and this isn't actually backed > up by reality. > > Debian *is* dropping Python 2 support. It was Adam Williamson who claimed that Debian would still support Python 2. I neglected to verify that claim, sorry for that. But this means that

Non-responsive maintainer tchaikov

2019-12-17 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
Hello. According to non-responsive maintainer procedure for tchaikov, I'm asking here if anyone know how to reach out for the maintainer. RHBZ ticket: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1778081 -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org) _

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Drop Optical Media Release Criterion

2019-12-17 Thread Peter Pentchev
On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 09:54:49PM -0500, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 9:37 PM Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > > Adam Williamson wrote: > > > BTW, there is another point here which you may not appreciate: Fedora > > > and Debian aren't really in competition. Fedora does not see its job as

Debian and Python 2 [Was: Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Drop Optical Media Release Criterion]

2019-12-17 Thread Peter Pentchev
On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 05:30:14PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2019-12-16 at 16:52 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: [snip] > > This doesn't change the fact that many Python scripts *cannot run on Python > > 3*. Debian is not a museum piece either, and yet they don't just kill the > > o

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Drop Optical Media Release Criterion

2019-12-17 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 4:17 AM John M. Harris Jr wrote: > Sounds good, I'll subscribe to that list when I get to work tomorrow. I'll > set > aside a T400 running the standard boot firmware to test optical media on. > Past > that, I'll pick out some system that supports UEFI to test UEFI optical

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Drop Optical Media Release Criterion

2019-12-17 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 2:31 AM Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2019-12-16 at 16:52 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > I've offered to take on responsibility for these tests in this thread, > and I'm > > still open to that. This is still important to many users, and I'm more > than > > happy to

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Drop Optical Media Release Criterion

2019-12-17 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 12:23 AM John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > We have 2 release-blocking media, so the total time is somewhere between > > 2-3 hours (likely closer to 2 hours, because netinst installation is way > > faster due to downloading packages from the net instead of copying them > > from

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Drop Optical Media Release Criterion

2019-12-17 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 17. 12. 19 3:54, Neal Gompa wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 9:37 PM Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: BTW, there is another point here which you may not appreciate: Fedora and Debian aren't really in competition. Fedora does not see its job as being to Conquer The World and have ev

Re: Paul Grosu

2019-12-17 Thread Paul Grosu
Hi Orion, Thank you for helping us! Let me make sure I have the process correct: 1. Perform rpmbuild via the following command: rpmbuild -ba SPECS/dmtcp.spec 2. Run the SRPM against the spec fedora-review as follows: fedora-review --rpm-spec -n rpmbuild/SRPMS/dmtcp-2.6.1~rc1-0.1.fc30.src

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Drop Optical Media Release Criterion

2019-12-17 Thread Frantisek Zatloukal
On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 2:31 AM Adam Williamson wrote: > Still, we have F32 Beta coming up quite > soon, we could potentially delay this feature and see how that goes - > see if anyone besides RH Fedora QE staff shows up to run the tests... > We still can have optical media as non blocking, that