Re: F39 Change Proposal: Build Fedora Workstation live ISO with Image Builder (System-Wide)

On Tue, 2023-06-27 at 17:59 -0600, Jonathan Steffan wrote: > > The Koji integration leaves many things to be desired. I've had to dig far > more than needed for osbuildimage stuff. > > For example, > https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/tasks?state=all&view=tree&method=osbuildImage&order=-id > is

Re: Announcing fmt library soversion bump

On 23/05/2023 12:22, Vitaly Zaitsev wrote: I will use my proven-packager rights to rebuild all dependent packages in a separate side tag next week. Koji is now broken in this side tag (f39-build-side-69392): Error: Problem 1: package python3-dnf-4.16.1-2.fc39.noarch from build requires dnf-d

Re: Red Hat & Fedora -- largely stepping out of this ecosystem

There was a time when IBM had a popular PC but no popular OS. Now IBM has a popular OS but no popular PC. Just an observation. --- Lee On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 10:24 PM Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > > Jeff Law writes: > > > [...] > > First a bit of background. I came to Red Hat via the Cygnus > >

Re: Is there a chance to phase out `/lib64` directory?

On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 8:21 PM Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > > Kalev Lember wrote: > > I would like to have a layout similar to what Debian is doing, so that > > shared libraries would go in /usr/lib/x86_64-redhat-linux/ and /usr/lib64 > > would be a legacy symlink pointing to it. > > That layo

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Allow Removal of tzdata (System-Wide)

On 6/27/23 02:00, Miro Hrončok wrote: On 26. 06. 23 20:24, Fabio Valentini wrote: On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 8:10 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: (snip) --- The current problem with Python without tzdata is: ===   >>> from zoneinfo

Re: Is there a chance to phase out `/lib64` directory?

Kalev Lember wrote: > I would like to have a layout similar to what Debian is doing, so that > shared libraries would go in /usr/lib/x86_64-redhat-linux/ and /usr/lib64 > would be a legacy symlink pointing to it. That layout is NOT compliant with the FHS. Which is particularly hilarious as Debian

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Build Fedora Workstation live ISO with Image Builder (System-Wide)

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 8:34 AM Aoife Moloney wrote: > [...] > Pungi and Koji already support Image Builder, so no additional work is > required there (refer to the > [ > https://docs.pagure.org/pungi/configuration.html#osbuild-composer-for-building-images > pungi] and [https://github.com/osbuild

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 10:01 AM Aoife Moloney wrote: > == Summary == > The new PatternFly-based UI has been developed by the Anaconda team > for some time now and we would like to make it available for users of > Fedora to enhance and modernize installation experience. As the first > step in thi

Unretire python-diskcache

Would like to unretire Python-diskcache https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2215710 ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.f

Re: [HEADS UP] Fedora 39 Python 3.12 rebuilds to start in a side tag this week

On 27. 06. 23 21:37, Maxwell G wrote: If your package is failing with ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'imp', this is happening because Python 3.12 removed the long deprecated imp module. As a stopgap measure, you can BuildRequire python3-zombie-imp package, which allows you to import the i

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Allow Removal of tzdata (System-Wide)

Hi Miro, Very much appreciate the feedback. Please see my responses below. Thank you, Patsy On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 2:09 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > Hello Patsy, > > On 26. 06. 23 17:54, Aoife Moloney wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AllowRemovalOfTzdata > > > > == Summary == > >

Re: cups-2.4.2-11.fc39.src.rpm depends on autoconf-2.71 or newer, not mentioned in .spec file, fails build

On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 02:44:34PM +0300, ijaaskelai...@outlook.com wrote: > Kind regards, The Improvement Skeleton. Please show the exact steps you use to build the cups package and the exact error message you get. Technically you are correct because configure.ac has AC_PREREQ([2.71]). But autoc

Re: orphaned packages

On 6/27/23 17:46, Simon de Vlieger wrote: Hi, I've orphaned some packages that I am too unfamiliar with to maintain, especially now that these are mostly FTBS/FTI and have unmaintained upstreams: - preproc: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/preproc - preproc-rpmspec: https://src.fedoraproject

Re: [HEADS UP] Fedora 39 Python 3.12 rebuilds to start in a side tag this week

On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 07:37:13PM +, Maxwell G wrote: > > > If your package is failing with ModuleNotFoundError: No module named > > 'imp', this is happening because Python 3.12 removed the long deprecated > > imp module. As a stopgap measure, you can BuildRequire > > python3-zombie-imp packa

Re: [HEADS UP] Fedora 39 Python 3.12 rebuilds to start in a side tag this week

If your package is failing with ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'imp', this is happening because Python 3.12 removed the long deprecated imp module. As a stopgap measure, you can BuildRequire python3-zombie-imp package, which allows you to import the imp module even on Python 3.12. We str

Re: [HEADS UP] Fedora 39 Python 3.12 rebuilds to start in a side tag this week

Hello, I'd like to provide an update on Python 3.12 mass rebuild. The mass rebuild is still in progress. So far 2666 packages were rebuilt in side tag which is about 65,8% out of 4049 python packages. We are now working on fixing important packages blocking others. As mentioned in previous e

Re: orphaned packages

On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 05:48:06PM +0200, Simon de Vlieger wrote: > Side-question: am I supposed to do anything with Bugzilla's currently related > to these packages that are assigned to me? (unassign/assign to orphan?). You shouldn't have to. Automation should come along and reassign them. kevin

Re: F39 Change Proposal: LLVM 17 (System-Wide)

On 6/27/23 04:06, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: On 27/06/2023 03:21, Tom Stellard wrote: For this update, we're going to let package maintainers be responsible for rebuilding their own packages if they are unable to use the compat libraries for some reason.  We can try to send an announcement

Re: SIG proposal: libreoffice-sig

Greetings folks, the libreoffice-sig is now live. Anyone interested can join the `#libreoffice-sig:fedoraproject.org` matrix room for discussion. If you're a packager and like to help maintain LO and related packages, you can ask to join the https://accounts.fedoraproject.org/group/libreoffice-s

Re: Red Hat & Fedora -- largely stepping out of this ecosystem

Jeff Law writes: > [...] > First a bit of background. I came to Red Hat via the Cygnus > acquisition. [...] > > One could see signs of where this was going with the adjustments that > were made to the exposed RHEL kernel sources some time ago. Then the > dissolution of CentOS a couple years b

Re: Red Hat & Fedora -- largely stepping out of this ecosystem

The distros that provide commercial support beside RedHat have been sort of doing something similar. Canonical provides Ubuntu LTS, a distro with 5 years of development, and then additional 5 years of maintenance for those with subscription. SUSE, also, 5 years major release support for OpenS

Re: [EPEL-devel] Re: Orphaning packages

Lance, I can sponsor/mentor you. I'll reach out to ya via Mattermost. On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 10:51 AM Lance Albertson wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 9:50 AM Othman Madjoudj > wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Please note that I've orphaned by packages, list in the end of the >> message. >> >> B

Re: F39 Change Proposal: LLVM 17 (System-Wide)

On 6/27/23 04:00, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: On 27/06/2023 03:19, Tom Stellard wrote: We're trying to be more consistent with gcc and also upstream clang. gcc installs some of these same libraries and some equivalent ones into /usr/lib as well (/usr/lib/gcc/$TRIPLE/$MAJOR_VERSON). What a

Re: orphaned packages

Side-question: am I supposed to do anything with Bugzilla's currently related to these packages that are assigned to me? (unassign/assign to orphan?). Regards, Simon ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

orphaned packages

Hi, I've orphaned some packages that I am too unfamiliar with to maintain, especially now that these are mostly FTBS/FTI and have unmaintained upstreams: - preproc: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/preproc - preproc-rpmspec: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/preproc-rpmspec - rpkg-macros: htt

Re: F39 Change Proposal: LLVM 17 (System-Wide)

On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 5:06 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > Some package maintainers are too lazy. They won't do anything even if > you inform them in the ML. That's harsh. Package maintainers are mostly volunteers, who spend their free time on the project. If something happens to reduce

Re: more distinct default bash prompt?

So I made a copr repo PoC: https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/petersen/bash-color-prompt/ which you can test: the bash-color-prompt package there drops a conditionalized PS1 into /etc/profile.d/ for now. $ sudo dnf-3 copr enable petersen/bash-color-prompt $ sudo dnf install bash-color-promp

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Jiri Konecny wrote: > Dne 26. 06. 23 v 20:39 Hans de Goede napsal(a): >> Says 2G is the supported minimum. It would be good to see if >> that can actually be made to / kept working. >> >> Has anyone already tested the new installer on a system with its >> RAM li

Re: Red Hat & Fedora -- largely stepping out of this ecosystem

Thanks for your writing. A well-balanced and very thoughtful and considered opinion. But your final decision seems to me rather a short-coming. > Am 27.06.2023 um 00:47 schrieb Jeff Law : > > ... > > > > What Red Hat has done recently is depressing, but not a huge surprise to me. > Red Ha

Re: Is there a chance to phase out `/lib64` directory?

* Kalev Lember: > I would like to have a layout similar to what Debian is doing, so that > shared libraries would go in /usr/lib/x86_64-redhat-linux/ and > /usr/lib64 would be a legacy symlink pointing to it. The Debian layout is a bit misdesigned in that it's not possible to discover the multi-a

[EPEL-devel] EPEL working group: updating rocksdb to newer version

Hi, I don't see a specific epel working group list on lists.fpo. I'd like to update rocksdb to a newer version for consumption by ceph. (Ceph currently bundles rocksdb-7.9.2 IIRC for when the distribution's version is too old.) AFAIK, AFAICT, ceph is the only consumer of rocksdb in EPEL (or in F

Unretiring ant-contrib

Hello, I would like to unretire ant-contrib. Package review: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2217892 ticket: https://pagure.io/releng/issue/11501 -- Zdeněk Žamberský OpenJDK QE Red Hat ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.or

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

Hi Vit, Dne 27. 06. 23 v 12:43 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): Dne 26. 06. 23 v 18:00 Aoife Moloney napsal(a): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AnacondaWebUIforFedoraWorkstation This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announced in order

Re: Is there a chance to phase out `/lib64` directory?

On 6/27/23 15:04, Neal Gompa wrote: On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 6:37 AM Panu Matilainen wrote: On 6/27/23 13:30, Kalev Lember wrote: On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 11:02 AM Vít Ondruch mailto:vondr...@redhat.com>> wrote: I don't think that GCC is always the best example to follow. Neverthele

Re: ELN: Mass-rebuild has started

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 8:51 PM Maxwell G wrote: > > On Mon Jun 26, 2023 at 17:19 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 5:08 PM Maxwell G wrote: > > > > > > 2023-06-26T20:21:06Z Stephen Gallagher : > > > > > > > Just a heads-up that we've begun the targeted mass-rebuild for

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

Hi Adam, Dne 26. 06. 23 v 22:25 Adam Williamson napsal(a): On Mon, 2023-06-26 at 17:00 +0100, Aoife Moloney wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AnacondaWebUIforFedoraWorkstation This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announc

Re: Is there a chance to phase out `/lib64` directory?

On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 6:37 AM Panu Matilainen wrote: > > On 6/27/23 13:30, Kalev Lember wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 11:02 AM Vít Ondruch > > wrote: > > > > I don't think that GCC is always the best example to follow. > > > > Nevertheless, wouldn't it b

Re: PR #47: binutils: drop gold

Thank you for the notice I started build nodejs-electron with lld on my copr project https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/sergiomb/electrons/build/6102774/ On Wed, 2023-06-21 at 17:07 +0200, Amit Shah wrote: > (I realized I hadn't subscribed to f-devel with this email ID, and > this > mess

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

On 6/27/23 13:04, Hans de Goede wrote: Hi, On 6/27/23 12:36, Adam Williamson wrote: To be fair, you're writing as if it's certain that a webUI-based Workstation live cannot install to a 2G system, but AFAIK that has not yet been demonstrated. It would seem reasonable to test it before deciding

Re: Announcing fmt library soversion bump

On 23/05/2023 12:22, Vitaly Zaitsev wrote: I will use my proven-packager rights to rebuild all dependent packages in a separate side tag next week. Many packages are not yet ready for fmt 10. Spdlog for example: - https://github.com/gabime/spdlog/issues/2614 - https://github.com/gabime/spdlog/

Re: F39 Change Proposal: LLVM 17 (System-Wide)

On 27/06/2023 03:21, Tom Stellard wrote: For this update, we're going to let package maintainers be responsible for rebuilding their own packages if they are unable to use the compat libraries for some reason.  We can try to send an announcement when the side-tag is ready. Some package mainta

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

Hi, On 6/27/23 12:36, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2023-06-27 at 10:40 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: >> So although I realize this is not entirely fair IMHO if you want to push >> forward with this feature then you may also be on the hook to look into >> reducing the memory footprint elsewhere

Re: F39 Change Proposal: LLVM 17 (System-Wide)

On 27/06/2023 03:19, Tom Stellard wrote: We're trying to be more consistent with gcc and also upstream clang. gcc installs some of these same libraries and some equivalent ones into /usr/lib as well (/usr/lib/gcc/$TRIPLE/$MAJOR_VERSON). What about FindLLVM.cmake and its ${LLVM_LIBDIR_SUFFIX}?

Re: Is there a chance to phase out `/lib64` directory?

On 27/06/2023 12:30, Kalev Lember wrote: I would like to have a layout similar to what Debian is doing, so that shared libraries would go in /usr/lib/x86_64-redhat-linux/ and /usr/lib64 would be a legacy symlink pointing to it. Debian isn't a good example here. I've fixed over a hundred projec

Re: Orphaned packages looking for new maintainers

Dne 27. 06. 23 v 8:43 Jeffrey Stewart napsal(a): Would like to take**golang-github-lithammer-dedent and aqemu but I believe I still need a sponsor. Anyone willing to sponsor? I think you can follow this guideline: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fesco/Packager_sponsor_policy/#adoptin

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

Dne 26. 06. 23 v 18:00 Aoife Moloney napsal(a): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AnacondaWebUIforFedoraWorkstation This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive community feedback. This proposal will only b

Re: Is there a chance to phase out `/lib64` directory?

On 6/27/23 13:30, Kalev Lember wrote: On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 11:02 AM Vít Ondruch > wrote: I don't think that GCC is always the best example to follow. Nevertheless, wouldn't it be worth of phasing out the /lib64? I don't know what is the history behind,

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

On Tue, 2023-06-27 at 10:40 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: > So although I realize this is not entirely fair IMHO if you want to push > forward with this feature then you may also be on the hook to look into > reducing the memory footprint elsewhere so that the end result still fits in > 2G RAM. I

Re: Is there a chance to phase out `/lib64` directory?

Dne 27. 06. 23 v 11:59 Nico Kadel-Garcia napsal(a): On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 5:02 AM Vít Ondruch wrote: I don't think that GCC is always the best example to follow. Nevertheless, wouldn't it be worth of phasing out the /lib64? I don't know what is the history behind, but I don't think this lay

Re: Is there a chance to phase out `/lib64` directory?

Dne 27. 06. 23 v 12:30 Kalev Lember napsal(a): On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 11:02 AM Vít Ondruch wrote: I don't think that GCC is always the best example to follow. Nevertheless, wouldn't it be worth of phasing out the /lib64? I don't know what is the history behind, but I don't think

Re: Is there a chance to phase out `/lib64` directory?

On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 11:02 AM Vít Ondruch wrote: > I don't think that GCC is always the best example to follow. > > Nevertheless, wouldn't it be worth of phasing out the /lib64? I don't > know what is the history behind, but I don't think this layout is > conceptual. > I would like to have a

Re: Is there a chance to phase out `/lib64` directory?

On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 5:02 AM Vít Ondruch wrote: > > I don't think that GCC is always the best example to follow. > > Nevertheless, wouldn't it be worth of phasing out the /lib64? I don't > know what is the history behind, but I don't think this layout is > conceptual. > > > Vít Until, and unle

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

Hi Simon, On 6/27/23 11:00, Simon de Vlieger wrote: > On 6/27/23 10:40, Hans de Goede wrote: > >> Ok, so can you provide some instructions for how to make this work ? I guess >> it would be something like add the cmdline option + then start some systemd >> unit ?  Can you please put some instru

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Allow Removal of tzdata (System-Wide)

JDK will behave similarly. We ave (small) advantage that we have also in-jdk-bundled tzdata. However fallback in case of removed system tzdata is not automatic, and requires human touch. Long ago we have a patch in jdk which looked to system tzdata - if they were present, they were used. If not,

Re: Towards enabling rpm sysusers integration

On 6/22/23 19:55, Steve Grubb wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Adopting_sysusers.d_format I would caution against this whole proposal. Not that I'm against it, but just saying be careful doing it. People often forget about our security concerns. Currently, shadow-utils has about 4

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

On 6/27/23 10:40, Hans de Goede wrote: > Ok, so can you provide some instructions for how to make this work ? I guess it would be something like add the cmdline option + then start some systemd unit ? Can you please put some instructions for this in the testing section of: https://fedoraproj

Is there a chance to phase out `/lib64` directory?

I don't think that GCC is always the best example to follow. Nevertheless, wouldn't it be worth of phasing out the /lib64? I don't know what is the history behind, but I don't think this layout is conceptual. Vít Dne 27. 06. 23 v 3:19 Tom Stellard napsal(a): On 6/26/23 10:02, Fabio Valent

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Allow Removal of tzdata (System-Wide)

On 26. 06. 23 20:24, Fabio Valentini wrote: On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 8:10 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: (snip) --- The current problem with Python without tzdata is: === >>> from zoneinfo import ZoneInfo >>> ZoneInfo("Europe

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

Hi Jirka, On 6/27/23 01:09, Jiri Konecny wrote: > > > Dne 26. 06. 23 v 20:39 Hans de Goede napsal(a): >> Hi, >> >> On 6/26/23 18:00, Aoife Moloney wrote: >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AnacondaWebUIforFedoraWorkstation >>> >>> This document represents a proposed Change. As part of th

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Allow Removal of tzdata (System-Wide)

Dne 26. 06. 23 v 22:12 Fabio Valentini napsal(a): On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 8:40 PM Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 26. 06. 23 v 20:24 Fabio Valentini napsal(a): On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 8:10 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: (snip) --- The current problem with Python without tzdata is: ==

Re: F39 Change Proposal: LLVM 17 (System-Wide)

On 27/06/2023 08:41, Tom Stellard wrote: I mentioned this in a previous reply, but this is how other compilers like gcc install their internal libraries and it's also where clang expects its libraries to be installed. Got it. Thanks. -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org) _