Re: default local DNS caching name server

2014-04-10 Thread Billy Crook
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Chuck Anderson c...@wpi.edu wrote: Back in 2012 there was a discussion about having Fedora default to using a local DNS caching name server [1]: ... repeated long application hangs/delays. We need an independent, system-wide DNS cache, and always point

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Billy Crook
I would like to see logic like this: manpage files don't get installed unless/until: 1) packagename-manpages is requested to be installed by the user. that package would require the 'man' package. OR 2) package is installed AND man is installed. Don't wan't the manpages taking up disk space?

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Billy Crook
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.netwrote: Am 09.04.2014 22:05, schrieb Billy Crook: I would like to see logic like this: manpage files don't get installed unless/until: 1) packagename-manpages is requested to be installed by the user. that package would

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-22 Thread Billy Crook
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: On Aug 22, 2013, at 6:05 PM, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote: How about no release name, just this one time. In his honor? I'd back no release name for 20 with 8 points and 0 for everything else, if it's an

Re: Fedora minimal install no tar tool?

2013-07-30 Thread Billy Crook
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2013-07-30 at 17:23 -0400, Douglas Schilling Landgraf wrote: I have installed Fedora 17/18/19 (selected Minimal installation) from DVD and it completed successfully, however there is no tar tool. It's missing

Re: Summary of accepted Fedora 20 Changes - week 30

2013-07-25 Thread Billy Crook
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Bastien Nocera bnoc...@redhat.com wrote: Given the amount of time that he spent on the mailing-list fighting for those features, then it looks like a waste of time, that work has been done. Unfeatures technically. He wanted to remove features from the Default

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-24 Thread Billy Crook
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek zbys...@in.waw.pl wrote: Here, done, time elapsed: 1 min googling. Great. But does this really solve anything except refuting the most immediate statement by Lennart, taken out of context? 'Context' does not ameliorate a foundation

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-24 Thread Billy Crook
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Frank Ch. Eigler f...@redhat.com wrote: It's tempting to carry this argument too far. We can be first with good new ideas; first with experimental stuff; first with additions. We need not be first with bad ideas (and discussions here are a way of figuring out

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-23 Thread Billy Crook
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 03:13:28PM -0500, Billy Crook wrote: I would love to see the day systemd is as polished, ubiquitous, and robust as smtp. But until that happens, nobody is helped by removing MTA from the default

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-23 Thread Billy Crook
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Also, though, please be aware that some individual sat down and installed this system may not always be our main use case. All of these configure it on install suggestions don't help us with the cloud image at all.

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-23 Thread Billy Crook
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Since it _isn't_ served via DHCP in any environment I'm aware of, that's not actually useful. Nice to meet you Matt. As of this morning, it is served via DHCP in mine. There's also that guy earlier in the thread.

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-23 Thread Billy Crook
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:18:47AM -0500, Billy Crook wrote: Since it _isn't_ served via DHCP in any environment I'm aware of, that's not actually useful. Nice to meet you Matt. As of this morning

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-22 Thread Billy Crook
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Fri, 19.07.13 13:17, Billy Crook (billycr...@gmail.com) wrote: Sendmail stays in Default unless there is compelling reason to switch to postfix, exim, meta1, etc. Those users who wish to remove it are welcome

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-19 Thread Billy Crook
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.comwrote: On Thu, 2013-07-18 at 21:37 -0400, Ding Yi Chen wrote: Exactly - adding to the minimal install is generally always a supported operation. Removing from the minimal install is always a 'buyer beware' or 'you

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-19 Thread Billy Crook
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz wrote: On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: = Proposed System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSendmail Change owner(s): Lennart

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-19 Thread Billy Crook
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/19/2013 06:12 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Progress does not that frequently depend on removing older functionality. Specifically in this case, removing rsyslog does not make journal in any way better.

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-19 Thread Billy Crook
On Jul 19, 2013 2:11 PM, Steve Clark scl...@netwolves.com wrote: On 07/19/2013 02:56 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 07/19/2013 06:45 PM, Billy Crook wrote: I haven't seen anyone asking to ship two sysloggers. I perhaps should have been clearer and say two logging systems which we

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-19 Thread Billy Crook
On Jul 19, 2013 2:16 PM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) said: On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:17 PM, Billy Crook billycr...@gmail.com wrote: Please voice yourself at meetings in #fedora-devel if this is important to you. (Speaking purely for myself

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-18 Thread Billy Crook
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Steve Clark scl...@netwolves.com wrote: On 07/18/2013 08:09 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 17.07.13 22:35, Ding Yi Chen (dc...@redhat.com) wrote: This should be simpler than forcing those stubborn mind (such as me) to change, No? We don't

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-17 Thread Billy Crook
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:08 PM, Ding Yi Chen dc...@redhat.com wrote: Don't tell me that you have not seen people writing multiple platform scripts like this: case $OS) Windows* ) some_windows_scripts .. Linux* ) grep /var/log/messages . For them:

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-17 Thread Billy Crook
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.dewrote: The journal is not an implementation of syslog, we already have that in rsyslog. Also, the feature is about ending the duplicate storage of the log messages, so your suggestion is completely against what the feature

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-17 Thread Billy Crook
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net wrote: Once upon a time, Billy Crook billycr...@gmail.com said: What about a special filesystem mounted at /var/log or filesystem trickery therein that presents contents similar to what everyone expects, backed out